Florida Man Is Shot to Death for Texting During Movie Previews

[TerryMathews]

I'm pretty sure he was referring to the obviously paranoid and racist world that spidey and spatiallyaware live in. Those guys are genuinely mentally ill.

Maybe maybe not but there are many liberal commentators who are unwilling to make the connection that being prepared for an eventuality does not mean you live in fear of it.

 

[fskimospy]

Maybe maybe not but there are many liberal commentators who are unwilling to make the connection that being prepared for an eventuality does not mean you live in fear of it.

Considering the posting history of those two there is little doubt that they live in constant fear of it.

 

[Vic]

Where is this video of the the confrontation?

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/story/2...released-from-fatal-florida-theatre-shooting

 

[blankslate]

Let's be clear here. I don't think the shooting was justified. I've states that several times in the threads this comes up in.

My only point here is that minutes allows for one to be texting while the lights are on and the other texting during the previews.

404 Hypocrisy not found. But rage on brother.

Of course you don't find any hypocrisy. but Apologize on brother.

 

[bshole]

Holy crap. I am beginning to hate the old dude. A near empty theater and he decides to sit behind the victim and act like an ass? The popcorn toss was complete joke.

It was obvious that the victim shot out of RAGE and not FEAR. His body posture told the story. People in mortal fear do not lunge forward, they cower away. Enraged people lunge forward aggressively.

This guy is complete toast. No way a jury sees that and thinks he was scared.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Holy crap. I am beginning to hate the old dude. A near empty theater and he decides to sit behind the victim and act like an ass? The popcorn toss was complete joke.

It was obvious that the victim shot out of RAGE and not FEAR. His body posture told the story. People in mortal fear do not lunge forward, they cower away. Enraged people lunge forward aggressively.

This guy is complete toast. No way a jury sees that and thinks he was scared.

Nah. He's trained to deal with these situations, and you don't cower and shoot.

He did good. He met the laws for self defense. Young buck shouldn't have tried to bully some poor defenseless old man.


That's the crux of this case.. The old man is nearly twice young buck's age. That shows huge disparity of force. Throwing stuff in the poor old man's face shows intent.

Not what I would've done, but legally good shot.

 

[bshole]

He met the laws for self defense. .

Um.... is that why he is in jail and facing life in prison?

He met your requirement for "self-defense" and that apparently isn't helping him much. Of course shooting your mother-in-law for farting in your direction meets your requirement too.

 

[TerryMathews]

Of course you don't find any hypocrisy. but Apologize on brother.

Where have I apologized? Quote it.

In the meantime: I do not think this shooting was justified using the reasonable person standard. I have said in the past that I am concerned based on his age and former occupation that there might be some mental issues at play. Regardless, the deceased didn't deserve to die even if he was being a giant douche.

And yes, I am one of those people who gets pissed if someone is being impolite during trailers. For $20, I want my GD money's worth. That said I wouldn't shoot someone over it.

None of those things have a damn thing to do with whether two people texting regardless of differences in circumstances is hypocritical but then again we know you don't let little things like the truth get in the way of a good snarky post.

 

[Jaskalas]

Throwing stuff in the poor old man's face shows intent.

Intent of what? He tossed popcorn, simple assault, BFD! That's no mortal threat, or GBH.

 

[sze5003]

Nah. He's trained to deal with these situations, and you don't cower and shoot.

He did good. He met the laws for self defense. Young buck shouldn't have tried to bully some poor defenseless old man.


That's the crux of this case.. The old man is nearly twice young buck's age. That shows huge disparity of force. Throwing stuff in the poor old man's face shows intent.

Not what I would've done, but legally good shot.

Only in this country can you say self defense from popcorn. Clearly the old guy didn't have a brain left to stop and think. "Hey he just threw some popcorn in my face...I used to be a cop and well popcorn still scares the crap out of me" I'll just shoot and say it was in self defense.

Anyone in the right mind would stop to think about this. The guy was pissed off I don't believe the self defense crap. If the young guy had grabbed him or threw a punch fine but freaking popcorn...

 

[TerryMathews]

Only in this country can you say self defense from popcorn. Clearly the old guy didn't have a brain left to stop and think. "Hey he just threw some popcorn in my face...I used to be a cop and well popcorn still scares the crap out of me" I'll just shoot and say it was in self defense.

Anyone in the right mind would stop to think about this. The guy was pissed off I don't believe the self defense crap. If the young guy had grabbed him or threw a punch fine but freaking popcorn...

My manager just threw some chocolate at me over the cube walls. Let me go get my gun.

When are we going to have some common sense cop control legislation in this country?

 

[blankslate]

404 Hypocrisy not found

really? he texted in the theater just as the victim did. Ideally they should have both just walked out into the hall since the movie hadn't started yet.

None of those things have a damn thing to do with whether two people texting regardless of differences in circumstances is hypocritical but then again we know you don't let little things like the truth get in the way of a good snarky post.

There was hypocrisy, he did the same thing he got pissed about another guy doing then he shot a guy over popcorn in the face when getting a manager or even moving a row or a few seats over would have been a good first step. Don't get into an argument over someone doing something you did then shoot them afterwards that's just bizarre.

As for the snark apologies for responding in kind... no not really.





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[SpatiallyAware]

Based on the timeline it seems as though old man was texting before the previews. When the lights were still on in the theater.

That is vastly different from texting in a dark theater once the main previews and movie are rolling.

 

[CitizenKain]

Nah. He's trained to deal with these situations, and you don't cower and shoot.

He did good. He met the laws for self defense. Young buck shouldn't have tried to bully some poor defenseless old man.


That's the crux of this case.. The old man is nearly twice young buck's age. That shows huge disparity of force. Throwing stuff in the poor old man's face shows intent.

Not what I would've done, but legally good shot.

Apparently intent means whatever you want when you are carrying a gun. Be glad when this old piece of shit dies in prison because he was such a coward.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Apparently intent means whatever you want when you are carrying a gun. Be glad when this old piece of shit dies in prison because he was such a coward.

Then on the other hand you have young buck who left a widow and fatherless child.


Not saying what the old man did was morally ok, but it's disgustingly stupid for a father and provider of a family to bully an old man and throw popcorn in his face.

 

[blankslate]

Based on the timeline it seems as though old man was texting before the previews. When the lights were still on in the theater.

That is vastly different from texting in a dark theater once the main previews and movie are rolling.

Neither of them should have been texting in the theater. If it's important enough to text about then there should be no issue for you to get out of your seat and walk out into the hallway so no one is disturbed. Cause you know someone could get upset...


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[SpatiallyAware]

Neither of them should have been texting in the theater. If it's important enough to text about then there should be no issue for you to get out of your seat and walk out into the hallway so no one is disturbed. Cause you know someone could get upset...


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I don't think anyone cares who is texting when the lights are on and the random rolling pre-previews are playing.

But pretty much everyone is annoyed by the obnoxious rude asshole who has their phone on 100% when all the lights are off and texting.

And politely asking them to shut down the phone is perfectly legal. You can turn around and bully them into fearing for their life over it.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Nah. He's trained to deal with these situations, and you don't cower and shoot.

He did good. He met the laws for self defense. Young buck shouldn't have tried to bully some poor defenseless old man.


That's the crux of this case.. The old man is nearly twice young buck's age. That shows huge disparity of force. Throwing stuff in the poor old man's face shows intent.

Not what I would've done, but legally good shot.

If he has met the law for self defense why is he still being held? Why did the Judge decide not to offer bail? I'd bet its because the Judge felt this guy is dangerous and he needs to stay locked up until the case is resolved. I doubt he would still be locked up if the Judge felt he met a reasonable definition of self defense. I'm no law expert but I would find it odd that someone would stay in prison for a trial that they have shown was reasonable force.

 

[blankslate]

I don't think anyone cares who is texting when the lights are on and the random rolling pre-previews are playing.

But pretty much everyone is annoyed by the obnoxious rude asshole who has their phone on 100% when all the lights are off and texting.

And politely asking them to shut down the phone is perfectly legal. You can turn around and bully them into fearing for their life over it.

While no one may usually care you might get so engrossed in the texting that you just miss the fact that the lights dimmed. Might seem impossible but at least one person has injured themselves while staring at their phone walking down the sidewalk so I consider it a possibility.

I would just get to the hallway to text.


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[SpatiallyAware]

While no one may usually care you might get so engrossed in the texting that you just miss the fact that the lights dimmed. Might seem impossible but at least one person has injured themselves while staring at their phone walking down the sidewalk so I consider it a possibility.

I would just get to the hallway to text.


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Fine, so let's assume you're a slack jawed mouth breather who isn't paying attention or doesn't care. As a result, you might get a crotchety old man telling you to turn off the phone.


Both things honestly are fairly acceptable things to have happen. But the line was crossed when young buck took the old man's popcorn and threw it in his face.

 

[Victorian Gray]

It started during the movie previews. After the lights are off, and people are supposed to be seated. After the "Please be respectful and turn off your phone" messages.


It says a LOT that the young buck's wife had to hold him back. Clearly she knew who the aggressor was.

I'm curious, when did a 43 year old husband/father become a 'young buck'? Most folks would consider 43 to be early middle age.

Also, not seen a single news report that claims that the wife was trying to hold her husband back.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

I'm curious, when did a 43 year old husband/father become a 'young buck'? Most folks would consider 43 to be early middle age.

Also, not seen a single news report that claims that the wife was trying to hold her husband back.

When he bullies and threatens a 71 year old man.


It's age within context that matters. A 20 year old is a young buck to a 43 year old.

 

[Geosurface]

You simply do not whip out a gun and fire a bullet into someone because they are arguing with you over texting, and they make a move toward your popcorn. You also don't do so because they threw popcorn in your face.

You simply do not. That's not a civilized society at that point.

The situation they were in, the context, has to be considered. If you get into an argument with someone in a darkened alley at night, with nobody else around.. and the other person is younger, larger, and getting increasingly agitated - then I could potentially see someone, particularly an older man who is more frail, erring on the side of caution when that person makes any sort of move toward them, and firing in self-defense.

But this wasn't that situation. These two were each with their wives, they were in a crowded theater with numerous pairs of eyes on them. Management knew there was an issue. There was light, whether from the screen or aisle lights or whatever. Even if texter guy was throwing a punch, you take the punch - you don't end a life. Because if it's a one punch kill, you aren't stopping it period. If he's intending to get on top of you and beat you, there are plenty of people around to pry him off.

None of this is going to be something you can really actively THINK about in those moments, of course, but the point is that this is just not the type of setting or environment which should have you on that kind of DEFCON 5, hair-trigger kind of alert. You should not be in a "shoot him instantly when he moves toward me in any way, and figure out what he was doing afterward" type of mindset, in that type of place.

 

[Victorian Gray]

When he bullies and threatens a 71 year old man.


It's age within context that matters. A 20 year old is a young buck to a 43 year old.

What a strange, sad little world you seem to live in.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

You simply do not whip out a gun and fire a bullet into someone because they are arguing with you over texting, and they make a move toward your popcorn. You also don't do so because they threw popcorn in your face.

You simply do not. That's not a civilized society at that point.

The situation they were in, the context, has to be considered. If you get into an argument with someone in a darkened alley at night, with nobody else around.. and the other person is younger, larger, and getting increasingly agitated - then I could potentially see someone, particularly an older man who is more frail, erring on the side of caution when that person makes any sort of move toward them, and firing in self-defense.

But this wasn't that situation. These two were each with their wives, they were in a crowded theater with numerous pairs of eyes on them. Management knew there was an issue. There was light, whether from the screen or aisle lights or whatever. Even if texter guy was throwing a punch, you take the punch - you don't end a life. Because if it's a one punch kill, you aren't stopping it period. If he's intending to get on top of you and beat you, there are plenty of people around to pry him off.

None of this is going to be something you can really actively THINK about in those moments, of course, but the point is that this is just not the type of setting or environment which should have you on that kind of DEFCON 5, hair-trigger kind of alert. You should not be in a "shoot him instantly when he moves toward me in any way, and figure out what he was doing afterward" type of mindset, in that type of place.

I still content that it's not "civilized" to take an old man's popcorn and throw it in his face.

I agree with you about the shot not being morally justified, but it doesn't change the fact that a line was crossed by stealing the old man's popcorn and throwing it in his face. Some people are rational, might leave the theater over it. Others not so much, and could leave your wife a widow.



Out of all the crap that happened, young buck made the worst decisions. A man with a wife and family should not be behaving that way, or he will eventually cross the wrong person and end up dead over it.

I would be extremely surprised if this was young buck's first confrontation