Florida Man Is Shot to Death for Texting During Movie Previews

[Fanatical Meat]

Everyone seems to be missing one fact. He was denied bail, the old guy is still in prison awaiting trial and it does not appear that he will be granted bail. To me this indicates that the judge thought the old guy was a danger to society or has a good chance of leaving the country.

 

[blankslate]

Nice to know that Pop-corn is a deadly and dangerous thing. And here I was about to post a popcorn .gif.


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[desy]

This 'old man' wasn't intimidated
He was a instructor for SWAT not some nervous schoolgirl crips
Gone for a long time SUPER!

 

[bshole]

Maybe so, but they do. And the laws allowing them to do so are getting stronger and stronger.

So it really doesn't matter who is "right", when you're in a pine box and have a widow and children left behind, all because you had to try and intimidate some poor old man.

That's my issue here, bottom line is legal or not, go around throwing popcorn at people and starting confrontations and you just might come across one of these hot heads.

This young buck went looking for trouble and he got some. Now his poor wife and daughter have to suffer due to his poor decisions.

Ok you have made the same argument about a thousand times now. We understand the shooter was a ancient diaper wearing cripple who was viciously assaulted with popcorn by a vicious middle class middle aged thug.

Got anything else? That it? I can't award you any points for intellectual creativity but for sheer mind-numbing repetition, nobody holds a candle to you.

 

[feralkid]

That's my issue here, bottom line is legal or not, go around throwing popcorn at people and starting confrontations and you just might come across one of these hot heads.

Never bring popcorn to a gun fight. Got it.




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[feralkid]

 

[HumblePie]

From the video it was clear the instigator of this situation was the younger man Chad. He was the one that got up from his seat to directly confront the old guy sitting in his chair for talking to management for his texting during the previews. He was the one that saying angry words at a senior citizen. He was the one that reached forward to take the popcorn away from the old man and throw it in the old man's face. This obviously wasn't his first outburst of uncontrolled anger in a public situation like this based on how his wife was trying to restrain her husband before he reached for the popcorn.

Chad, the younger man, would certainly not be dead right now if he didn't make a physically threatening motion and act out on his anger with intimidation in public. There is no disputing that.

As for Curtis's response to decide to shoot, I would have to hear more evidence from what was exactly expressed and said by Chad the moments leading up to when he decided to reach over and grab Curtis's popcorn. And the action he was doing after he threw the popcorn. He is a bit off camera so we are unable to see his actions after he throws the popcorn. If it looks like he is about to do more to follow up on that popcorn throw, then Curtis would have a justified assumption of further incoming and escalated violence that may be impending and can legally shoot in defense. Again, this is going to be a hard case for Curtis, because there is still a few seconds between when the popcorn hits his face and when he continues to extend his arm to aim his gun to fire. He is obviously making rapid decisions in that time frame to decide to continue his course of action of drawing his firearm, extending it, and pulling the trigger. The crux comes down to if it would be considered reasonable in his position at the time, given all the evidence, for a person of his age and capacities to consider determine if there was still enough of an imminent threat to legally shoot in self defense.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Just because I am curious where is the assault line drawn in your opinion SpatiallyAware? Could I be justified shooting someone for:

Yelling at me with a raised fist and bad words?
Two suspicious looking Arab guys who look like they might have a gun or a bomb that are yelling at me?
A High school kid that had a young mafia shirt on and spit some gum on the sidewalk near me?
Someone in a car this is driving real fast and almost hit me while I was in the crosswalk that may be turning around to make another pass at me?
A shadowy figure in my back yard that looks like it may have a knife?
A shadowy figure in my neighbors yard that looks like it may have a knife?
A guy who looks like a MMA fighter that intentionally bumps into me to get to the front of a line then gives me a threatening look?
A prostitute that is standing too close to me when I am waiting for a train?
Some random guy on the street who throws something, he may have been aiming for the trash but I'm not sure it hit my back and I don't know what it was?
A guy in line for Football tickets that pushes me who looks drunk and dangerous?

 

[bshole]

From the video it was clear the instigator of this situation was the younger man Chad. He was the one that got up from his seat to directly confront the old guy sitting in his chair for talking to management for his texting during the previews. He was the one that saying angry words at a senior citizen. He was the one that reached forward to take the popcorn away from the old man and throw it in the old man's face. This obviously wasn't his first outburst of uncontrolled anger in a public situation like this based on how his wife was trying to restrain her husband before he reached for the popcorn.

Chad, the younger man, would certainly not be dead right now if he didn't make a physically threatening motion and act out on his anger with intimidation in public. There is no disputing that.

As for Curtis's response to decide to shoot, I would have to hear more evidence from what was exactly expressed and said by Chad the moments leading up to when he decided to reach over and grab Curtis's popcorn. And the action he was doing after he threw the popcorn. He is a bit off camera so we are unable to see his actions after he throws the popcorn. If it looks like he is about to do more to follow up on that popcorn throw, then Curtis would have a justified assumption of further incoming and escalated violence that may be impending and can legally shoot in defense. Again, this is going to be a hard case for Curtis, because there is still a few seconds between when the popcorn hits his face and when he continues to extend his arm to aim his gun to fire. He is obviously making rapid decisions in that time frame to decide to continue his course of action of drawing his firearm, extending it, and pulling the trigger. The crux comes down to if it would be considered reasonable in his position at the time, given all the evidence, for a person of his age and capacities to consider determine if there was still enough of an imminent threat to legally shoot in self defense.

Meh, if I was on the jury, I would convict him of murder.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Meh, if I was on the jury, I would convict him of murder.

From a guy who has served on three juries, you wouldn't get that far without lying. The first question is do you have any beliefs that would keep you from being impartial (or something similar its been years). They are surprisingly understanding but sitting there saying that would disqualify you, plus it would be unethical.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

From a guy who has served on three juries, you wouldn't get that far without lying. The first question is do you have any beliefs that would keep you from being impartial (or something similar its been years). They are surprisingly understanding but sitting there saying that would disqualify you.

He wouldn't make it past the first selection stating what he said. Myself when I'm on a jury I apply the law exactly as it's written and make my decision based on such. I received a Jury Duty notice yesterday to report June 10th.

 

[bshole]

He wouldn't make it past the first selection stating what he said. Myself when I'm on a jury I apply the law exactly as it's written and make my decision based on such. I received a Jury Duty notice yesterday to report June 10th.

Hopefully not. I have been called to serve once. I complained bitterly and angrily it about during jury selection. I got out of it. I don't think attornies want angry jurors.

 

[HumblePie]

He wouldn't make it past the first selection stating what he said. Myself when I'm on a jury I apply the law exactly as it's written and make my decision based on such. I received a Jury Duty notice yesterday to report June 10th.

That's pretty much how a jury is suppose to work. Understand the law and the evidence presented. Then decide the proper application of the law based upon the evidence and derive the outcome from it.

To me the next key piece of evidence is what was Chad doing after he threw the popcorn while Curtis was in the process of still pulling out his gun and extending his arm. Obviously the wife hadn't noticed it yet and still had a restraining hand on the husband as the bullet went through her hand. Did Chad continue to present a menacing and possible imminent threat? If so the shooting is justified. If not, then it is not justified. That is the key piece of evidence in my opinion that will decide the outcome, and it is not shown on the video that I saw.

 

[Drako]

I got out of it. I don't think attornies want morons for jurors.

FTFY

 

[Atreus21]

I don't think you understand what a strawman is.

You sarcastically said, "I'm sure all of this could have been prevented had the guy had his own gun or at least some other "good guy with a gun" was present!" That is a strawman. No firearm proponent believes that a "good guy with a gun" or that the victim carrying a firearm would have prevented this shooting.

The "good guy with a gun" argument simply states that in a mass murder situation, the killer will continue his rampage until he encounters armed resistance. If his victims are armed, he's likely to be neutralized sooner than if they have to wait for a police response. Whether it's a legitimate argument is out of scope for this thread since it's completely unrelated to the topic (an argument ending in a single-victim homicide).

I'm honestly surprised that I have to explain this.

Dude. Your time.

Wasted.

 

[MrPickins]

Maybe so, but they do. And the laws allowing them to do so are getting stronger and stronger.

So it really doesn't matter who is "right", when you're in a pine box and have a widow and children left behind, all because you had to try and intimidate some poor old man.

That's my issue here, bottom line is legal or not, go around throwing popcorn at people and starting confrontations and you just might come across one of these hot heads.

This young buck went looking for trouble and he got some. Now his poor wife and daughter have to suffer due to his poor decisions.

Seriously? These guys were equal parties in the dispute. Stop trying to vilify one and declare the other a saint.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Seriously? These guys were equal parties in the dispute. Stop trying to vilify one and declare the other a saint.

Equal except one had a gun and the other did not. To me there is a heavier burden on the armed guy, he really should have walked away and asked for money back or the other guy get removed.

 

[MrPickins]

Equal except one had a gun and the other did not. To me there is a heavier burden on the armed guy, he really should have walked away and asked for money back or the other guy get removed.

:thumbsup:

Great power, great responsibility...

 

[lotus503]

I think I read somewhere the bullet also struck the wife in the finger.

So there is attempted murder and assult with a deadly weapon, this guy is going to die in prison where he belongs.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts...-wesley-chapel-movie-theater-shooting/2164252

 

[lotus503]

also the video without the witness testimony conext is incomplete.

More than one witness recounts that he said I'll teach to to thow popcorn or similar.

then to top the whole thing off the old guy is a fucking hyocrite and was texting too, may he rot in fucking hell.

 

[ch33zw1z]

"I'll teach you to throw popcorn at me," an eyewitness recalled the shooter, retired Tampa police Capt. Curtis Reeves, saying.

Oh, but wait....this girl scout was in fear for his life!! Teach that texting thug a lesson /sarcasm.

 

[Thebobo]

The old man had no idea he was grabbing popcorn or about to punch him in the face repeatedly. Any reasonable person would be in fear for their life or great bodily harm from the actions of the deceased especially when presented with the disparity of force and the elder gentlemen was unable to retreat.

Remember, it was dark and this younger guy who's wife was attempting to restrain him from battering the elder man. Any reasonable person would be in fear of great bodily harm or death.

The video makes it pretty clear.

No only you and a few other in here think every altercation ends up in gunfire. And guess what you folks guess who think that are the ones who end up doing so lol.

 

[Kadarin]

Equal except one had a gun and the other did not. To me there is a heavier burden on the armed guy, he really should have walked away and asked for money back or the other guy get removed.

He chose to use it in a situation that didn't warrant it. I would probably vote to convict.

 

[HumblePie]

I think I read somewhere the bullet also struck the wife in the finger.

So there is attempted murder and assult with a deadly weapon, this guy is going to die in prison where he belongs.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts...-wesley-chapel-movie-theater-shooting/2164252

Already starting with the already debunked info again?

Just watch the video. Unlike previous cases, there is video and witness testimony. The video shows to me the guy was legally justified in pulling the gun, but the actual shot is still debatable because we are unable to see what the younger guy, Chad, was doing while the older guy, Curtis, was in the processing of pulling out his weapon.

If Chad was still menacing Curtis, the shot is legally justified. If Chad was no longer menacing and providing enough cause for a reasonable person in Curtis's shoes to determine a threat was still capable and imminent; then the shot was not legal.

The reason the wife of Chad was even harmed, was because she had a restraining hand across her husband during the ordeal in an attempt to stop him from being aggressive. The hand was not removed with the shot was fired and the bullet went through her hand before hitting her husband.

Without further evidence, this case can go either way. Right now it is not a slam dunk case for the prosecution based on the released evidence to the public.

However, what Curtis supposedly said after the shot was fired may be his undoing in the case. One witness has claimed he said, "That will teach you to throw popcorn at me." Which if that is the case, then it shows that his continued arm extension and the shot after the popcorn was fired was not based upon reasonable fear, but upon anger at realizing he had popcorn thrown at him. Assuming that is an actual witness testimony that is backed up by multiple witnesses, then he'll go to jail for a long time.

 

[master_shake_]

Nice to know that Pop-corn is a deadly and dangerous thing. And here I was about to post a popcorn .gif.


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second most lethal in the snack food variety right behind kinder eggs.