Florida Man Is Shot to Death for Texting During Movie Previews

[Geosurface]

I still content that it's not "civilized" to take an old man's popcorn and throw it in his face.

I agree with you about the shot not being morally justified, but it doesn't change the fact that a line was crossed by stealing the old man's popcorn and throwing it in his face. Some people are rational, might leave the theater over it. Others not so much, and could leave your wife a widow.

Out of all the crap that happened, young buck made the worst decisions. A man with a wife and family should not be behaving that way, or he will eventually cross the wrong person and end up dead over it.

I would be extremely surprised if this was young buck's first confrontation

I agree he had no business doing that. And that's the case no matter how douchey the old man was about the texting stuff.

But I consider the old man to be in a whole other universe of wrong for what he did.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

HOLY FUCK... Popcorn throwing = worse decision than shooting someone.
Seek help, seek professional help.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

I agree he had no business doing that. And that's the case no matter how douchey the old man was about the texting stuff.

But I consider the old man to be in a whole other universe of wrong for what he did.

If you're the kinda guy who goes around bullying old men, stealing their popcorn, throwing it in their face...... You're eventually going to cross the wrong person who is willing to go a step or two further.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

HOLY FUCK... Popcorn throwing = worse decision than shooting someone.
Seek help, seek professional help.

I did not say it was worse. I said the popcorn stealing and throwing was the FIRST major line that was crossed. The reaction of shooting him was way over the top, but if you choose to grab the bull by the horns then that's what CAN happen.

Young kid... 20... no kids... Yes you take those risks. But a father, household provider, has no business acting that way.

 

[desy]

Die in jail old dude, glad you are removed from society
Empty theatre, wow, what f-ing jerk

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Interesting comments in here:

http://blogs.indiewire.com/criticwire/chad-oulson-texting-murder

People claiming chad was a known antagonist and bully, and had issues instigating situations even when he back in illinois.

Doesn't seem like many who knew him are all that surprised he eventually pissed off the wrong guy.

 

[lotus503]

Interesting comments in here:

http://blogs.indiewire.com/criticwire/chad-oulson-texting-murder

People claiming chad was a known antagonist and bully, and had issues instigating situations even when he back in illinois.

Doesn't seem like many who knew him are all that surprised he eventually pissed off the wrong guy.

At least we can agree the shooter was pissed off, its why he shot him.

At 71 he dies in prison, hopefully he takes himself out and saves the tax payers some $$$

 

[SpatiallyAware]

At least we can agree the shooter was pissed off, its why he shot him.

At 71 he dies in prison, hopefully he takes himself uot and saves the tax payers some $$$

Meanwhile a poor mother and child have no father. Wonder if it was worth it, to young buck, to intentionally antagonize the old man? I mean yeah, sure, he was disrespectful and "showed him", but at what cost?


Legality of the shooting aside, I think it's insane how many of you support the actions of this bully.

 

[lotus503]

Meanwhile a poor mother and child have no father. Wonder if it was worth it, to young buck, to intentionally antagonize the old man? I mean yeah, sure, he was disrespectful and "showed him", but at what cost?


Legality of the shooting aside, I think it's insane how many of you support the actions of this bully.

I don't support popcorn throwing but find it way more acceptable then shooting someone your angry with.

 

[TerryMathews]

At least we can agree the shooter was pissed off, its why he shot him.

At 71 he dies in prison, hopefully he takes himself out and saves the tax payers some $$$

That's all you can agree with from that post?

Really?

 

[lotus503]

That's all you can agree with from that post?

Really?

I think its the most important aspect, The devil is in the details, he thinks he pissed off the wrong person. Think about that for a second, let it sink in.

The result is he died because he pissed off the wrong person a.k.a was murdered.

So we now know spatial agrees the guy was murdered.

What other part of the post was there to agree with? rest was information only?

 

[HumblePie]

I think its the most important aspect, The devil is in the details, he thinks he pissed off the wrong person. Think about that for a second, let it sink in.

The result is he died because he pissed off the wrong person a.k.a was murdered.

So we now know spatial agrees the guy was murdered.

What other part of the post was there to agree with? rest was information only?

Uh, wow way to use a whole lot of wrong assumption there.

SA stating that Chad pissed off the wrong guy is not the same as him stating Reeves murdered Chad because he was pissed off.

The assumption based on the evidence is that Chad pissed the old guy off with his texting enough that Reeves was willing to confront Chad to ask him to stop texting. Upon Chad not doing so, Reeves was upset enough to go find a manager to get him to stop.

Had Chad just instead took the time to exit his seat to continue texting when asked by Reeves none of this shit would have happened. Chad chose to be rude by texting when the previews were starting when the lights went out. Chad chose to further antagonize patrons, not just Reeves, by continuing to do so when asked to stop. Chad chose to be a further douche by confronting Reeves when he gets back about him "narcing" to the management about his texting. He further escalates that by yelling, threatening, stealing an old mans popcorn, and finally throwing the popcorn at Reeves.

While I don't believe Chad should have been shot for being one of the biggest douches in the world, he was the sole instigator for his demise. As SA did point out, his behavior was not one a father and household provider should have been acting like. That is the kind of behavior that will eventually get your ass in a hospital or a bullet put into you eventually if you act that way to random strangers. Which is a behavior that Chad typically did as told by those that knew him previously and how his wife was trying to restrain him the entire time.

 

[CitizenKain]

Meanwhile a poor mother and child have no father. Wonder if it was worth it, to young buck, to intentionally antagonize the old man? I mean yeah, sure, he was disrespectful and "showed him", but at what cost?


Legality of the shooting aside, I think it's insane how many of you support the actions of this bully.

Because most people don't expect to run into a deranged old person who is armed for some reason.

I think its insane you support the shooter and if you own guns, you need them taken away from you. You are not adult enough to own a gun.

 

[Jaskalas]

...

Lot of words for something so simple. The shooting was not justified.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I still content that it's not "civilized" to take an old man's popcorn and throw it in his face.

I agree with you about the shot not being morally justified, but it doesn't change the fact that a line was crossed by stealing the old man's popcorn and throwing it in his face. Some people are rational, might leave the theater over it. Others not so much, and could leave your wife a widow.



Out of all the crap that happened, young buck made the worst decisions. A man with a wife and family should not be behaving that way, or he will eventually cross the wrong person and end up dead over it.

I would be extremely surprised if this was young buck's first confrontation

I did not say it was worse. I said the popcorn stealing and throwing was the FIRST major line that was crossed. The reaction of shooting him was way over the top, but if you choose to grab the bull by the horns then that's what CAN happen.

Young kid... 20... no kids... Yes you take those risks. But a father, household provider, has no business acting that way.

You're right, other than you using the word WORST, you're absolutely, 100% correct.


I must reiterate how urgent it is for you to seek professional mental health.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Because most people don't expect to run into a deranged old person who is armed for some reason.

I think its insane you support the shooter and if you own guns, you need them taken away from you. You are not adult enough to own a gun.

The bottom line is that you live a life of bullying and antagonizing people, you will eventually cross someone who just doesn't give a shit and will beat you to death, stab you, or shoot you.

If it's not a 70 year old man maybe it would've been a 20 year old thug.

I don't support the shooter. I've it VERY clear that from a moral perspective I don't think it was justified. Legally, it very well might be justified.

 

[lotus503]

Uh, wow way to use a whole lot of wrong assumption there.

SA stating that Chad pissed off the wrong guy is not the same as him stating Reeves murdered Chad because he was pissed off.

The assumption based on the evidence is that Chad pissed the old guy off with his texting enough that Reeves was willing to confront Chad to ask him to stop texting. Upon Chad not doing so, Reeves was upset enough to go find a manager to get him to stop.

Had Chad just instead took the time to exit his seat to continue texting when asked by Reeves none of this shit would have happened. Chad chose to be rude by texting when the previews were starting when the lights went out. Chad chose to further antagonize patrons, not just Reeves, by continuing to do so when asked to stop. Chad chose to be a further douche by confronting Reeves when he gets back about him "narcing" to the management about his texting. He further escalates that by yelling, threatening, stealing an old mans popcorn, and finally throwing the popcorn at Reeves.

While I don't believe Chad should have been shot for being one of the biggest douches in the world, he was the sole instigator for his demise. As SA did point out, his behavior was not one a father and household provider should have been acting like. That is the kind of behavior that will eventually get your ass in a hospital or a bullet put into you eventually if you act that way to random strangers. Which is a behavior that Chad typically did as told by those that knew him previously and how his wife was trying to restrain him the entire time.

So you counter my assumptions on his post with your own assumptions on his post. point is we are both taking what he is saying and drawing what we think it implied.

The old fuck will die in jail, that brings a smile to my face because he deserves it in my opinion for shooting a guy over popcorn and texting, not fear of death or GBH but because he was pissed off.

The appropriate reaction to an argument isn't murder, it takes two people to actually argue, only one coward with a gun to turn that argument into murder.

I have $100 that the guy gets 2nd degree murder or pleads out, whos taking me up on it?

 

[SpatiallyAware]

I don't support popcorn throwing but find it way more acceptable then shooting someone your angry with.

In the chain of events that night, the popcorn throwing was the first physical action.

Telling a young buck to turn off the phone - legal, morally ok
Asking management to intervene - legal, morally ok
Telling old man to STFU and mind his own business - legal, morally ok

But stealing the old man's popcorn and throwing in his face? - illegal, morally unacceptable.



Again, I'm not saying the shooting is morally justified.... But if you live your life bullying defenseless people you will eventually run across the wrong person who can bully back.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

So you counter my assumptions on his post with your own assumptions on his post. point is we are both taking what he is saying and drawing what we think it implied.

The old fuck will die in jail, that brings a smile to my face because he deserves it in my opinion for shooting a guy over popcorn and texting, not fear of death or GBH but because he was pissed off.

The appropriate reaction to an argument isn't murder, it takes two people to actually argue, only one coward with a gun to turn that argument into murder.

I have $100 that the guy gets 2nd degree murder or pleads out, whos taking me up on it?

Even if he does die in jail, think about the poor widow and fatherless child who lost their dad due to his own bullying and antagonistic actions. I mean really, there's no winner here, but chad did far far more damage to his family than the old man did to his.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

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I have $100 that the guy gets 2nd degree murder or pleads out, whos taking me up on it?

Disparity of force will be a HUGE factor in this case. The old man tried to deescalate, tried to get management involved, and then was assaulted and intimated by a young buck. Young buck already escalated, and reinforced it by physically stealing the old man's property and then assaulting him in the face with it.


I'd say it's 50/50. And this is florida too, they tend to be strong pro self-defense.

 

[lotus503]

In the chain of events that night, the popcorn throwing was the first physical action.

Telling a young buck to turn off the phone - legal, morally ok
Asking management to intervene - legal, morally ok
Telling old man to STFU and mind his own business - legal, morally ok

But stealing the old man's popcorn and throwing in his face? - illegal, morally unacceptable.



Again, I'm not saying the shooting is morally justified.... But if you live your life bullying defenseless people you will eventually run across the wrong person who can bully back.

I expect people to follow the law and suffer the consequences of not doing so, period. We have degrees of punishment for specific types of crimes for a reason, not every mistake in life should result in death.

 

[lotus503]

Even if he does die in jail, think about the poor widow and fatherless child who lost their dad due to his own bullying and antagonistic actions. I mean really, there's no winner here, but chad did far far more damage to his family than the old man did to his.

No Chad didn't, Reeve's was the one making the choices to leave a window and children.

You want to blame the victim for his own death vs the person who shot him. he didn't lose his life for bullying and antagonizing, he lost his life to a guy who murdered him because he was angry during an argument.

odd the guy that shot him isn't to blame, just the guy who died because he shouldn't have thrown popcorn.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

No Chad didn't, Reeve's was the one making the choices to leave a window and children.

You want to blame the victim for his own death vs the person who shot him. he didn't lose his life for bullying and antagonizing, he lost his life to a guy who murdered him because he was angry during an argument.

odd the guy that shot him isn't to blame, just the guy who died because he shouldn't have thrown popcorn.

Odd to the point of being obtuse.

 

[desy]

Yep
Blame the victim
Rape victims are begging for it too,
Go away old man for a long long time. Hopefully it balances the message that your aren't judge jury and executioner cause you have a CCW permit and THAT is the message that should be taken away

 

[SpatiallyAware]

I expect people to follow the law and suffer the consequences of not doing so, period. We have degrees of punishment for specific types of crimes for a reason, not every mistake in life should result in death.

This wasn't a single mistake. This young buck had a history of antagonizing and bullying people.

Life is not controllable. You can make firearms illegal and someone who goes around starting confrontations will eventually get beat or stabbed to death.


This moron stole some old man's popcorn and threw it in his face. I absolutely blame him for initiating a physical confrontation with his wife by his side and child at home. Shameful.