Florida High School Shooting

[imported_tajmahal]

Threatening people with gun violence Taj?

Not like you're threatening the Bon Bon supply. Step away from the refrigerator sweetie.

 

[Incorruptible]

https://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/15/defensive-gun-use/

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/

Many times when people use guns to defend themselves they don't report it. You should be ashamed of yourself for attacking the 2nd Amendment.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Here's how you absolutely know the gun fetishists are panicking: there's a run on AR-15s and other military style rifles right now.

Just checked some of my favorite high volume online retailers, and they are showing 90%+ of their inventory on those types of rifles out of stock.

So much winning today. Panic buying is the last situation gun nuts want to be in, and enterprising individuals can make a pretty penny off desperate 2nd Amendment types during sellers markets. I remember the year after Sandy Hook to be extremely wallet depleting for people who like guns. $50 lower receivers were going for 4x that price or higher; cheap ARs were double or triple the price; magazines were double; ammunition was double.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/whistle_past_the_graveyard defined.

 

[Incorruptible]

Threatening people with gun violence Taj?

Hey moron, where did he threaten people?

 

[soundforbjt]

Many times when people use guns to defend themselves they don't report it. You should be ashamed of yourself for attacking the 2nd Amendment.

And many times they are using it to intimidate also unreported.

 

[feralkid]

Yes I did, it's because buying a firearm is a right...a Right, not a privilege.

It shouldn't be a right for mentally unstable, homicidal nincompoops; that's pretty much what humanity is crying out for.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

https://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/15/defensive-gun-use/

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/

Yeah you quoted a link that quoted the "Violence Policy Center", an organization that exists to ban guns. Their number are going to be fib-ilicous. 67,000 per year from an organization who hates guns is a very high number and you can expect the actual number to be far higher. They are highly motivated to deny guns can be used for good. It's likely not in the millions like NRAtards might claim, but hundreds of thousands per year is not unnlikely.

 

[Incorruptible]

And many times they are using it to intimidate also unreported.

They are threatened or attacked by someone, pull out gun and the person runs away. Many people don't bother reporting.

 

[TheVrolok]

Just heard on the news that the school resource officer froze. Started to respond and then never entered the area of engagement. He's since been put on leave and then resigned. Yep, the solution is obviously more resource officers and armed teachers.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

They are threatened or attacked by someone, pull out gun and the person runs away. Many people don't bother reporting.

Something like 99% of all defensive gun uses do not involve a gun actually being fired.

 

[Incorruptible]

Something like 99% of all defensive gun uses do not involve a gun actually being fired.

I'll need to see the stats, Nothing wrong with that though.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

Just heard on the news that the school resource officer froze. Started to respond and then never entered the area of engagement. He's since been put on leave and then resigned. Yep, the solution is obviously more resource officers and armed teachers.

Yes, because if one person freezes, then the other 12 might not. One cop freezing doesn't mean we don't need cops. One marine freezing doesn't mean disband the marines. Security guards at banks have frozen. I don't see one single post in your history stating that we should eliminate armed security guards at banks. Why the fuck do you want my children to be unprotected???

 

[TheVrolok]

Yes, because if one person freezes, then the other 12 might not. One cop freezing doesn't mean we don't need cops. One marine freezing doesn't mean disband the marines. Security guards at banks have frozen. I don't see one single post in your history stating that we should eliminate armed security guards at banks. Why the fuck do you want my children to be unprotected???

Read my responses earlier to Taj.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

I'll need to see the stats, Nothing wrong with that though.

I'm sorry I was wrong. The rate likely looks more like 95% or even 70-80% (depending on who you believe and how the survey asked the question). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_gun_use.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

Read my responses earlier to Taj.

Please don't force me to read a Taj quote. Nobody deserves that (even me). You could just have easily just actually responded to me

 

[soundforbjt]

Yeah you quoted a link that quoted the "Violence Policy Center", an organization that exists to ban guns. Their number are going to be fib-ilicous. 67,000 per year from an organization who hates guns is a very high number and you can expect the actual number to be far higher. They are highly motivated to deny guns can be used for good. It's likely not in the millions like NRAtards might claim, but hundreds of thousands per year is not unnlikely.

What about the other link? Got any studies to back up your claim?

 

[soundforbjt]

I'm sorry I was wrong. The rate likely looks more like 95% or even 70-80% (depending on who you believe and how the survey asked the question). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_gun_use.

From your link at the very top:
"The neutrality of this article is disputed. Relevant discussion may be found on the talk page. Please do not remove this message until conditions to do so are met. (October 2017) (Learn how and when to remove this template message)"

 

[TheVrolok]

Please don't force me to read a Taj quote. Nobody deserves that (even me). You could just have easily just actually responded to me

Haha, touche. I certainly can't argue those points.

The long and the short of the "discussion" Taj and I had was that I just haven't seen any objective evidence that arming teachers will protect students, and the evidence that is out there suggests it may actually be more dangerous. We weren't discussing resource officers.

I absolutely want schools safer, I just do not believe giving teachers guns is the answer.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

It shouldn't be a right for mentally unstable, homicidal nincompoops; that's pretty much what humanity is crying out for.

I'm glad to see you agree with the NRA on that issue.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

From your link at the very top:
"The neutrality of this article is disputed. Relevant discussion may be found on the talk page. Please do not remove this message until conditions to do so are met. (October 2017) (Learn how and when to remove this template message)"[/QU

What's the world coming to when someone shits on Wikipedia? Why don't you go edit that page and correct it then? A better question is why are you so opposed to the concept that guns might actually be used to protect people? My first response in hearing that would be "fucking cool, someone protected themselves".

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Just heard on the news that the school resource officer froze. Started to respond and then never entered the area of engagement. He's since been put on leave and then resigned. Yep, the solution is obviously more resource officers and armed teachers.

As effective in this case as the FBI.

 

[TheVrolok]

As effective in this case as the FBI.

Exactly my point.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

What about the other link? Got any studies to back up your claim?

The other link doesn't seem to provide any numbers of self defense and seems to refute the NRAtard argument that there are millions of self-defense gun uses per year. I never quoted the NRAtard numbers of millions per year, and there is a reason I didn't: THEY ARE WRONG. Please do not use that line of reasoning to dismiss the hundreds of thousands of people who defend themselves with guns per year.

 

[nickqt]

I'm glad to see you agree with the NRA on that issue.

The NRA and Republican Senate revoked an Obama-era rule making it more difficult for people with mental health issues to purchase guns in February of 2017, useful idiot.

 

[K1052]

The more we find out about this incident the more skeptical I become of the "just add more guns" solution.