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Florida Gov Scott signs bill forcing welfare drug tests

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DrPizza said:
I've got bad news for you. You ARE subject to drug testing for certain classes of drivers licenses.
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yup.



welfare everywhere needs reform, at least something will be learned from this 'experiment'

even if its a step in teh wrong direction(I think its more right than wrong, illegal drug users are technicaly criminals so why give them federal aide?) the fed/other states will have the data and 'experiences'

of course, since when did politicians look at data and get it right, if so IL would have CCW already, whereas the governor is convinced we are so special that unlike all other states we will become the wild west.......
 
zinfamous said:
is this in response to a real problem backed up by data, or a knee-jerk reaction based on an ignorant assumption from some ultra-righty nutjobs?
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Of course it's not a response to a real problem. Do some people do it? Sure. Dumb republicans only like regulation when it's something they don't like. This won't solve the problem of being on welfare any way. I sure as hell rather have Scott addressing the illegal prescription drug trade going on in his state. That won't happen because I am sure the drug companies love the extra sales of their drugs.
 
http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/08/floridas-welfare-drug-testing-costs-more-than-it-saves/

Under the rules of the program, the state must reimburse recipients who receive negative test results. The state paid about $1,140 for the 38 negative tests, while saving less than $240 a month by denying benefits over the two positive tests.

“We have a diminishing amount of returns for our tax dollars,” the ACLU’s Derek Brett told WFTV. “Do we want our governor throwing our precious tax dollars into a program that has already been proven not to work?”

The cost to taxpayers could end up being significantly higher because the state expects to have to defend the law in court.
 
need to drug test in public schools including teachers and admin. Drug dealers target schools. Drug dealers have a free hand in pushing their dope in all the public schools. Drug test and find out who is and who isn't. Give the parents the test results and allow them to know what's going on. If teachers or admin. test positive FIRE THEM. If we can make safety sensitive personal line up for random/post accident.. then testing teachers/admin./students need to be next. Test the people that the drug dealers target.
 
Jhhnn said:
In case nobody mentioned it, Scott's wifey owns one of Florida's largest drug testing firms which he founded after leaving as the head of Columbia/HCA amidst an enormous scandal-

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread702133/pg1

Red meat for the mow-ron base and more money in his pocket...

Win-Win!

And, uhh, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain...
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Nice find.


Following the money is always an accurate way of finding out what's really going on.

I wonder where else the money trail leads.
 
bl4ckfl4g said:
I agree with this law. Makes total sense.
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sounds good on the surface...but it's only good if it's an actual problem.

data...need some data.

it's mostly reactionary knee-jerk populist bullshit to rile up the morality police that form Scott's delusional constituency.
 
Jhhnn said:
In case nobody mentioned it, Scott's wifey owns one of Florida's largest drug testing firms which he founded after leaving as the head of Columbia/HCA amidst an enormous scandal-

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread702133/pg1

Red meat for the mow-ron base and more money in his pocket...

Win-Win!

And, uhh, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain...
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ouch

cganesh75 said:
http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/08/floridas-welfare-drug-testing-costs-more-than-it-saves/

Under the rules of the program, the state must reimburse recipients who receive negative test results. The state paid about $1,140 for the 38 negative tests, while saving less than $240 a month by denying benefits over the two positive tests.

“We have a diminishing amount of returns for our tax dollars,” the ACLU’s Derek Brett told WFTV. “Do we want our governor throwing our precious tax dollars into a program that has already been proven not to work?”

The cost to taxpayers could end up being significantly higher because the state expects to have to defend the law in court.
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double ouch
 
IGBT said:
need to drug test in public schools including teachers and admin. Drug dealers target schools. Drug dealers have a free hand in pushing their dope in all the public schools. Drug test and find out who is and who isn't. Give the parents the test results and allow them to know what's going on. If teachers or admin. test positive FIRE THEM. If we can make safety sensitive personal line up for random/post accident.. then testing teachers/admin./students need to be next. Test the people that the drug dealers target.
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and lol at IGBT
😀
 
cganesh75 said:
http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/08/floridas-welfare-drug-testing-costs-more-than-it-saves/

Under the rules of the program, the state must reimburse recipients who receive negative test results. The state paid about $1,140 for the 38 negative tests, while saving less than $240 a month by denying benefits over the two positive tests.
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$240/month. That means if we deny those to positive tests for 5 months, we are money ahead. This doesn't take into account the money saved by those who knew they would test positive and didn't take the test.

As a tax payer, I am willing to pay a little extra for the drug testing.
 
cganesh75 said:
http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/08/floridas-welfare-drug-testing-costs-more-than-it-saves/

Under the rules of the program, the state must reimburse recipients who receive negative test results. The state paid about $1,140 for the 38 negative tests, while saving less than $240 a month by denying benefits over the two positive tests.
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Nice spin. Because $1,140 < $240, clearly this is a failed program, right? But you're conveniently skipping over the words "per month" as if they have no consequence. Let's do the math. $1,140 is a one-time cost. Less than $240 a month - let's call it $230 - is a savings of $1,150 in 5 months and a savings of $2,760 in a year. So how does the program cost more than it saves?

Better yet, it might just motivate those 2 individuals to get off drugs and deter others from starting in the first place. And if it doesn't... then at least Florida's taxpayers won't be paying for their habit.

One can certainly argue that drug testing welfare recipients is an invasion of their privacy (though I'd disagree, since they can choose to not apply for welfare benefits, just like they can choose to not apply for a job that requires drug testing). But to argue that the program costs more than it will save is disingenuine at best.
 
Apple Of Sodom said:
$240/month. That means if we deny those to positive tests for 5 months, we are money ahead. This doesn't take into account the money saved by those who knew they would test positive and didn't take the test.

As a tax payer, I am willing to pay a little extra for the drug testing.
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TreyRandom said:
Nice spin. Because $1,140 < $240, clearly this is a failed program, right? But you're conveniently skipping over the words "per month" as if they have no consequence. Let's do the math. $1,140 is a one-time cost. Less than $240 a month - let's call it $230 - is a savings of $1,150 in 5 months and a savings of $2,760 in a year. So how does the program cost more than it saves?

Better yet, it might just motivate those 2 individuals to get off drugs and deter others from starting in the first place. And if it doesn't... then at least Florida's taxpayers won't be paying for their habit.

One can certainly argue that drug testing welfare recipients is an invasion of their privacy (though I'd disagree, since they can choose to not apply for welfare benefits, just like they can choose to not apply for a job that requires drug testing). But to argue that the program costs more than it will save is disingenuine at best.
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Since you guys missed it:

Jhhnn said:
In case nobody mentioned it, Scott's wifey owns one of Florida's largest drug testing firms which he founded after leaving as the head of Columbia/HCA amidst an enormous scandal-

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread702133/pg1

Red meat for the mow-ron base and more money in his pocket...

Win-Win!

And, uhh, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain...
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such conflict of interest, and what essentially amounts to money laundering, is generally considered a criminal offense.

I know this is Florida and all, but damn....
 
zinfamous said:
ouch

double ouch
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Before you buy into this too much you need to read the actual link.

You know who does the test? A company Florida's governor founded and his wife now owns it.

Rick Scott's Medicaid Overhaul to Benefit&#8230;Rick Scott?

Among the companies that stand to benefit from the bill is Solantic, a chain of urgent-care clinics aimed at providing emergency services to walk-in customers. The Florida governor founded Solantic in 2001, only a few years after he resigned as the CEO of hospital giant Columbia/HCA amid a massive Medicare fraud scandal. In January, according to the Palm Beach Post, he transferred his $62 million stake in Solantic to his wife, Ann Scott, a homemaker involved in various charitable organizations.

Among the services that Solantic offers: drug testing.
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Solantic is a chain of urgent-care clinics providing emergency services on a fee-for-service basis. One service they offer is drug testing; you have to look pretty hard to find it. This is also thirty-odd places out of literally hundreds where one could go for this screening. Yet this site (a typical whacko conspiracy site) claims that Scott's company "does the test". This excellent chain, which is a Godsend to those without insurance or with health savings accounts, is being represented as something Scott created to skim off money from welfare recipients.

You should also be aware that Scott sold off his share of Solantic in April. (For those who didn't read the original link, Scott signed the bill in May.) Scott never made even a fraction of a penny from this bill. http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/04/13/2166115/scott-closes-deal-on-solantic.html

Not a lot of 'there' there.
 
The government should hire a person to monitor that the recipient is properly brushing his/her teeth morning and night. I don't want MY money goint to unnecessary dental cleanings!

There should also be a person monitoring each recipient's caloric intake. No way should any welfare recipient get fat off of MY money!

While we're at it, we should tag each recipient with a GPS device to make sure they do not walk into any movie theaters or establishments serving alcohol. Can't have those recipients spending MY money on drinks or entertainment!

I'm a small government Conservative! :thumbsup:
 
i cant believe people are acutally arguing that drug test for welfare checks is a bad/immoral idea. wtf is wrong with you people.
 
Cerpin Taxt said:
The government should hire a person to monitor that the recipient is properly brushing his/her teeth morning and night. I don't want MY money goint to unnecessary dental cleanings!

There should also be a person monitoring each recipient's caloric intake. No way should any welfare recipient get fat off of MY money!

While we're at it, we should tag each recipient with a GPS device to make sure they do not walk into any movie theaters or establishments serving alcohol. Can't have those recipients spending MY money on drinks or entertainment!

I'm a small government Conservative! :thumbsup:
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Okay then, cancel welfare programs.

Take your pick.
 
more then likely a sizable chunk of that welfare cookie goes to drug dealers. food stamps get converted to cash one way or another and much of that ends up for drugs. The liberal KOOKS don't care. They are to be judged by their intent not results.
 
IGBT said:
need to drug test in public schools including teachers and admin. Drug dealers target schools. Drug dealers have a free hand in pushing their dope in all the public schools. Drug test and find out who is and who isn't. Give the parents the test results and allow them to know what's going on. If teachers or admin. test positive FIRE THEM. If we can make safety sensitive personal line up for random/post accident.. then testing teachers/admin./students need to be next. Test the people that the drug dealers target.
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Oh, wow, way to hit three of the conservative boogeymen! Teachers, drug dealers, and poor people!
 
werepossum said:
Before you buy into this too much you need to read the actual link.


Solantic is a chain of urgent-care clinics providing emergency services on a fee-for-service basis. One service they offer is drug testing; you have to look pretty hard to find it. This is also thirty-odd places out of literally hundreds where one could go for this screening. Yet this site (a typical whacko conspiracy site) claims that Scott's company "does the test". This excellent chain, which is a Godsend to those without insurance or with health savings accounts, is being represented as something Scott created to skim off money from welfare recipients.

You should also be aware that Scott sold off his share of Solantic in April. (For those who didn't read the original link, Scott signed the bill in May.) Scott never made even a fraction of a penny from this bill. http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/04/13/2166115/scott-closes-deal-on-solantic.html

Not a lot of 'there' there.
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Ouchie! Looks like the "follow the money" mow-ron base just got pwned.
 
TastesLikeChicken said:
Ouchie! Looks like the "follow the money" mow-ron base just got pwned.
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Not at all. Scott puffed up the value of Solantic by signing the drug test bill- it's highly unlikely that anybody else will get the state contract, unless he double crosses the buyers. Bet on it- just another example of Repub quid pro quo...
 
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