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Five hunters killed in Wisconsin woods EDIT: now with PIC

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Originally posted by: notfred
Guns are designed to kill things, that is the sole reason they exist. The SKS was designed to kill people specifically, not deer. The gun did a hell of a job, apparently. People, or the media, or whoever, can say "ooh, look at the nasty assault weapon!", but the gun performed flawlessly in the task it was designed for.

I am not an anti-gun person. I do not beleive they should be banned. I do, however, think that the pro-gun crowd needs to stop thinking about guns like car engines. "Wow, check that out, 400hp, ported heads, supercharged, polished intake! (grunts like Tim Allen)!" People do not build these things in former soviet countries and sell them to the armies of Iraq and North Korea (and the guy in the article) so that they can be showewd off to friends and bragged about on the internet. They are designed to be taken into battle to kill people.

Sure, you can say "A deer hunting rifle has a stopping power of 1800 while the SKS, has a stopping of just 800, therefore the deer rifle is more dangerous, blah blah blah..." The fact is, the stopping power of the SKS is obviously more than adequate for killing 5 people. Some of you need to stop treating these things like the latest video card "OMG, my new gun gets 8 more bullets per second than the GeForce 13XYZ in Doom3, I'm so l33t!" and reflect for a moment on the fact that the reason it exists, and presumably the reason you own the thing, is so that if a situation ever requires it, you can kill someone with it.

Guns are machines that demand a large amount of respect, and treating them like riceboys comparing horsepower numbers of thier cars, especially in the context of the murder of 5 people, doesn't make anyone look like they actually realize why guns are built in the first place.
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Well, why do those mustang people want to modify their cars. Doesn't that mean those type of mods are designed to be used for street racing? Some people are dumbasses who using it for its intended purpose at the wrong place.
 
Originally posted by: Jigga
OK, I always hear the argument that guns aren't the problem and that if everyone had guns, we'd all be in equilibrium with less violent crime or something stupid like that.

Well here's a situation where everyone had guns, and yet the crazy wacko was able to shoot eight armed men/women? EIGHT??? Nobody shot back? Oh well I guess he had an automatic weapon and the others didn't?
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Only one had a weapon!
 
Originally posted by: yellowfiero
Originally posted by: Jigga
OK, I always hear the argument that guns aren't the problem and that if everyone had guns, we'd all be in equilibrium with less violent crime or something stupid like that.

Well here's a situation where everyone had guns, and yet the crazy wacko was able to shoot eight armed men/women? EIGHT??? Nobody shot back? Oh well I guess he had an automatic weapon and the others didn't?
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Only one had a weapon!
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Also, I'm playing this back in my head.... If I was there. my first reacation wouldn't be to shoot back, I like to think that I would.. but the mostly likely reacation would be

1. shot first, the guy next of me falls.
2. say "WTF!", and duck .
3. more shots fired.
4. if I wasn't hit, I might try to shoot back.

As you can see, I have zero combat experience.
 
This is not HL2 this is deer hunting during deer hunting season. The AP said the responding party only had one gun between the eight of them. I can see how this could happen. One of the party was probably out hunting and the rest were back in for lunch. He called back on the radio saying he was shot. The other 7 ran from the cabin to help him thinking it was a hunting accident. Now think about it ? 7 people in blaze orange running to help a friend and one nut bag in camouflage yes camouflage just waiting for them. Husbands sons wives all taken down in an instant some followed and shot twice and for what... Helping a friend out who they though was in a hunting accident. Anyone who can make light of this I just don?t have any words for you.

Matt my condolences to your friend.
 
Originally posted by: Tom
[Hey, I think this was a senseless tragedy. When confronted with information that makes no sense, different people deal with it in different ways.
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Tom,

I would like to apologize about singling you out for your initial comment in this thread. I should have just posted and not quoted you, as my comment was directed at all the people who were trying to post funny comments. I usually ignore stuff like that, but this situation hit much closer to home.

Matt

 
Originally posted by: fenrir
Originally posted by: Tom
[Hey, I think this was a senseless tragedy. When confronted with information that makes no sense, different people deal with it in different ways.
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Tom,

I would like to apologize about singling you out for your initial comment in this thread. I should have just posted and not quoted you, as my comment was directed at all the people who were trying to post funny comments. I usually ignore stuff like that, but this situation hit much closer to home.

Matt
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No need man. I knew when I posted it that it wasn't really appropriate. I didn't intend any disrespect for the victims, just something that struck me about the irony of something like this taking place during hunting season, with it's own set of traditions, the boundaries that define it, the comradery and fellowship that is part of it, all of which were so fundamentally violated here...

It is a horror what happened.

 
ah, why hunting should be done the old fashion way Bow and Arrow...thats how I was taught, guns werent allowed for hunting where I grew up in NewYork (too populated)
 
Originally posted by: notfred
Guns are designed to kill things, that is the sole reason they exist. The SKS was designed to kill people specifically, not deer. The gun did a hell of a job, apparently. People, or the media, or whoever, can say "ooh, look at the nasty assault weapon!", but the gun performed flawlessly in the task it was designed for.

I am not an anti-gun person. I do not beleive they should be banned. I do, however, think that the pro-gun crowd needs to stop thinking about guns like car engines. "Wow, check that out, 400hp, ported heads, supercharged, polished intake! (grunts like Tim Allen)!" People do not build these things in former soviet countries and sell them to the armies of Iraq and North Korea (and the guy in the article) so that they can be showewd off to friends and bragged about on the internet. They are designed to be taken into battle to kill people.

Sure, you can say "A deer hunting rifle has a stopping power of 1800 while the SKS, has a stopping of just 800, therefore the deer rifle is more dangerous, blah blah blah..." The fact is, the stopping power of the SKS is obviously more than adequate for killing 5 people. Some of you need to stop treating these things like the latest video card "OMG, my new gun gets 8 more bullets per second than the GeForce 13XYZ in Doom3, I'm so l33t!" and reflect for a moment on the fact that the reason it exists, and presumably the reason you own the thing, is so that if a situation ever requires it, you can kill someone with it.

Guns are machines that demand a large amount of respect, and treating them like riceboys comparing horsepower numbers of thier cars, especially in the context of the murder of 5 people, doesn't make anyone look like they actually realize why guns are built in the first place.
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excellent post
 
Originally posted by: OffTopic
Originally posted by: weirdichi
I saw it on the local news. It's a Hmong guy from the Twin Cities. Makes me sad that the Hmong peoples' reputation will take another blow. It's not enough that in the land of 10,000 lakes that most everybody complains about Hmong people over-fishing the lakes and leaving nothing behind, now this happened. Quite sad. 🙁 I wish the vicitims' families well.
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Do you have a link to this claim?

The world Hmong is very small, and it is such a coincident that there is enough of them to fish out all of the lakes in a state ++ shooting incident.
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I was exaggerating when I said they fished out whole lakes, but you get the idea. I have personal experiences with this claim. And I'm not saying EVERY Hmong does this, just that many do and that ruins it for everybody. I am Hmong, and my brother has had experiences where other fishermen would flat out say that they hate Hmong people because when they fish, they fish till there's nothing left. I know many families who do this, even some relatives. This ties in with more negativity of the Hmong. Every postitive step we make, it seems like a negative step counters it.
 
I was fishing a small lake inlet and a van full of Asians drives up to go fishing and started cooking the fish on the shore as fast as they could pull it in, fed everybody then took the limit 'perch' left all the heads tails etc as garbage on the shore and buggered off.
Not a postive impression was left with any of us other anglers.
No they don't all do it, but there must be some kind of cultural norm there?
 
Originally posted by: desy
I was fishing a small lake inlet and a van full of Asians drives up to go fishing and started cooking the fish on the shore as fast as they could pull it in, fed everybody then took the limit 'perch' left all the heads tails etc as garbage on the shore and buggered off.
Not a postive impression was left with any of us other anglers.
No they don't all do it, but there must be some kind of cultural norm there?
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Clearly, because your one experience with Asians represents a cultural norm. I'm glad you're not a sociologist.
 
Originally posted by: desy
I was fishing a small lake inlet and a van full of Asians drives up to go fishing and started cooking the fish on the shore as fast as they could pull it in, fed everybody then took the limit 'perch' left all the heads tails etc as garbage on the shore and buggered off.
Not a postive impression was left with any of us other anglers.
No they don't all do it, but there must be some kind of cultural norm there?
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Culture norm" maybe there is, because there are some poor uneducated immigrant that would do anything for a living and don't believe that rules/laws apply to them. But, this same "culture norm" correlates to all poor uneducated nationality/race. (Asian, Black, Eastern EU, Hispanics, Native Indian, White trash)
 
Most hunters in WI use rifles which iw why that particular weapon was out of place for most of the people reporting on the stories....
 
Originally posted by: FrankyJunior
Most hunters in WI use rifles which iw why that particular weapon was out of place for most of the people reporting on the stories....
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😕

The SKS is a rifle.
 
WCCO has updated the story. It was private property that these people had been hunting for a long time. It says several hunters confronted the shooter, but my friend says it was only two.

They still say only one of the eight hunters had a gun.

ABCNews also has an updated story.

Matt
 
Originally posted by: desy
Who said they were poor?
They drove up in a brand new minivan with nicer angling equipment than I had?

Others have posted this, including a guy who represents this group I've spent a lot of time on the water and haven't seen this behavior other than this cultural group and this wasn't the only case BTW.
Seems to be normal for some of em. . .

Judge abook by its cover? go ahead, your usually right . . .
Am I prejudiced? Yes . . Do I hate or discrminate ? . . No. .
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It is sad that you see it that way.

If Canadian see things the way you do we would think that rich American "culture norm? are fish thieves. Because, a few years ago an American couple was arrested here when they step off the BC ferry on the way to the border with a mobile home full of Vancouver Island salmon.
 
Look, we have a saying if it looks, walks, and quacks like a duck it probably is a duck.

This from another hunting forum in regards to this issue.

"We've had alot of problems with Hmong hunters here in Minnesota which even forced the Minnesota DNR to come out with the regulations printed in Hmong if I remember right. I've heard stories of them shooting everything in the woods and one was stopped one time and they found a trunk full of songbirds and other assorted animals. From what I've seen, they have no respect for our laws and I figured it was only a matter of time before something like this happened. Just a shame as it affects so many people beyond those that lost their lives. "

Then a response further down

"I know some Hmongs and most are decent hard working people. But like everywhere there are bad apples in every bunch. It is true that initally when they came over here they would be in the woods shooting everything in sight. I guess that is how they got by back home. The WI DNR has been working especially with them educating them to how things are done here and it seems to be working. It has been along time since I ran into any in the woods shooting tweetie birds like they were 10 years ago. "

That was my only comment was agreeing with the Hmong poster that it does seem to be an issue, a cultural issue, til they learn proper woods and water etiquette. . . I don't deny there are lots of other F@#$! ups out there. I've seen it, been it 'at times' but there is lots of evidence indicating issues here.




 
I can't imagine the mentality of someone who would shoot 8 people, one at a time. He watched them die. He should be in very serious trouble.

This isn't a reason to ban guns though.

As far as the car\gun comparison, cars kill many more people a year than guns do. A car is a big responsibility. That's why they're licensed.
 
This guy didn't even have blaze orange on which is a law. This jerk was in all camo! I say put him in a field and let the family members shoot at his f*cked up arss. Heres a thought, lets not blame the gun maker, gun seller, friend of the gun seller and anyone else they can think of but try and hold the azzwipe that pulled the trigger accountable for once! Should be a great explination by the guy on what happened!
 
Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle
ah, why hunting should be done the old fashion way Bow and Arrow...thats how I was taught, guns werent allowed for hunting where I grew up in NewYork (too populated)
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That wouldn't matter... bow and arrow are just as deadly, and someone with camo on has a HUGE advantage over people wearing blaze orange. If I were insane and wanted to take out a hunting party of 8, I could do so with a bow, even if all 8 were armed. Fortunately, the vast majority of people are sane (like me.)
 
this guy was provoked to shoot them.

he had to be defending himself, unless he was just dam crazy, but it doesnt look like it. it was provoked.
 
Originally posted by: AntMan530
this guy was provoked to shoot them.

he had to be defending himself, unless he was just dam crazy, but it doesnt look like it. it was provoked.
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AntMan care to tell me how someone provokes one into killing 6 people (yes one more died tonight) and wounding 2. Nothing in this case can justify his actions.
 
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