Five hunters killed in Wisconsin woods EDIT: now with PIC

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: yellowfiero

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Isn't the SKS fairly commonly used for deer?

At least it wasn't an AK/TEC-9 or any of the others that get named so often. While an SKS certainly can be configured to look mean it's pretty innocuous when dressed like this

Viper GTS

I used to use a Ruger M77 bolt action in 7.62x39 caliber, and it was great for Deer < 100 yards. So it depends on the terrain you are hunting. Now I use a Ruger bolt 30.06, one shot - one kill!

30-06 is a great caliber but I prefer a 300 win Mag just incase I need to go through a tree to bag my buck 😉

 

[Miramonti]

mammal hunting at its finest.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: desy
An sks is a very inaccurate gun, its round is MARGINAL, good for deer under 100 yrds.
An sks is RELIABLE and capable of semi-autofire with large cap magazines.

Nobody round here would EVER consider using one to go hunting. Maybe if there is restrictions but usually the restrictions are, you want something that doesn't go too far too fast because of population.

The SKS is not very inaccurate, there are variations in quality depending on what nation manufacured the weapon. A Russian or Yugo sks will be near the top in quality. It is more than suitable for deer at ranges less than 150 yards.

 

[fenrir]

Originally posted by: Tom
What's the limit in Wisconsin ?

Maybe part of the problem with the world is people like this. When did it become acceptable to make jokes about people being killed by some disturbed person? This wasn't some gunfight in the old west. One of my good friends is dealing with this tragedy because his wife is related to some of the dead. The reports I have heard state that only ONE of the eight people shot had a gun. That implies that this guy was shooting unarmed people. Yeah, that is real funny.

Matt

 

[desy]

Compared to a bolt gun , its a POS for accuracy and power

Energy at 200 yrds 882
30/06 at 200 yrds 1827

You may get some accurate SKS's out of the box but most need work
I stand by what I say. . .

 

[madogvt]

nm

 

[biostud]

"Look it's comming right at us"

 

[HomeBrewerDude]

Originally posted by: fenrir

Originally posted by: Tom
What's the limit in Wisconsin ?

Maybe part of the problem with the world is people like this. When did it become acceptable to make jokes about people being killed by some disturbed person? This wasn't some gunfight in the old west. One of my good friends is dealing with this tragedy because his wife is related to some of the dead. The reports I have heard state that only ONE of the eight people shot had a gun. That implies that this guy was shooting unarmed people. Yeah, that is real funny.

Matt

Agreed. And the discussion about gun technical specks is out of line too.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: desy
Compared to a bolt gun , its a POS for accuracy and power

Energy at 200 yrds 882
30/06 at 200 yrds 1827

You may get some accurate SKS's out of the box but most need work
I stand by what I say. . .

For a semi-auto at ranges of 100-150 yards it is perfectly acceptable. Of course it is not going to be more accurate than a bolt gun. No semi-auto in existence can surpass a good bolt action in this department and I never claimed it could.

You can get better accuracy out of it than 3 inch groups with practice and a quality weapon at 100 yards

 

[welst10]

Holy crap. I met a southeastern Asian girl 2 yrs ago whose family is in St Paul, MN. I forgot her full name, but her last name seemed to be Vang (not 100% sure tho). I'm wondering whether she's related.

 

[desy]

The reason that this has slid to a technical discussion is in spite of the tradgedy. everyone is going to start blaming the weapon of choice, people who know about firearms head off this argument cause the media always gets it wrong.
An SKS is no more dangerous, arguable less so than a basic 30/30 but they will twist this into 'see guns are bad esp those nasty assault rifles. ' Its already starting with this incident by the media.
When in reality what we have is some deranged individual who preyed on people and ruined many families. But the antigun lobby will renue their cries for weapon bans and so on, just wait. . . . .

This guy is pretty good with a semi. . .

 

[Heifetz]

this just shows that some people are animals, and are not civilized, and hence, all guns should be banned. What legitimate use do guns have in our society at all except at the hand of law officials? And for those who are going to reply BS, and "I have a gun because its my right, to protect my family", please include ONE specific example of exactly when your gun was used in self defense.

 

[OffTopic1]

Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech

Originally posted by: OffTopic

Originally posted by: weirdichi
I saw it on the local news. It's a Hmong guy from the Twin Cities. Makes me sad that the Hmong peoples' reputation will take another blow. It's not enough that in the land of 10,000 lakes that most everybody complains about Hmong people over-fishing the lakes and leaving nothing behind, now this happened. Quite sad. 🙁 I wish the vicitims' families well.

Do you have a link to this claim?

The world Hmong is very small, and it is such a coincident that there is enough of them to fish out all of the lakes in a state ++ shooting incident.

This might shed some more light: Star-Tribune Story

My condolence to the families.

I didn?t know that there are so many Hmong in Wisconsin, because there only a few millions of them spread between the mountain range of Vietnam/Cambodia/Laos/ThaiLand/China.

On a nother note. I'm glad that nothing happened when I asked the hunter to leave our property (I don't have a gun).

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: fenrir

Originally posted by: Tom
What's the limit in Wisconsin ?

Maybe part of the problem with the world is people like this. When did it become acceptable to make jokes about people being killed by some disturbed person? This wasn't some gunfight in the old west. One of my good friends is dealing with this tragedy because his wife is related to some of the dead. The reports I have heard state that only ONE of the eight people shot had a gun. That implies that this guy was shooting unarmed people. Yeah, that is real funny.

Matt

Hey, I think this was a senseless tragedy. When confronted with information that makes no sense, different people deal with it in different ways.

Now you have added additional information, that wasn't part of the initial story or the subsequent reactions of the first few posts in this thread. I don't know what your source is for saying there wasn't a shoot-out, or that the "hunting party" was unarmed. If that is true it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me why a "hunting party" would be unarmed ? ("hunting party" is how the original news story describes the victims)

 

[fenrir]

Originally posted by: Heifetz
this just shows that some people are animals, and are not civilized, and hence, all guns should be banned. What legitimate use do guns have in our society at all except at the hand of law officials? And for those who are going to reply BS, and "I have a gun because its my right, to protect my family", please include ONE specific example of exactly when your gun was used in self defense.

I am no supporter of guns (I do not own one or hunt). I don't think all guns should be available, but hunting is now necessary. Deer (and other animals) now have very few natural predators left and far less natural habitat, so hunting is necessary to limit their numbers. This requires guns. Sure, there is bow hunting, but how many of the gun hunters will just stop hunting if they couldn't use a gun?

Matt

 

[dbzwukan]

Originally posted by: Heifetz
this just shows that some people are animals, and are not civilized, and hence, all guns should be banned. What legitimate use do guns have in our society at all except at the hand of law officials? And for those who are going to reply BS, and "I have a gun because its my right, to protect my family", please include ONE specific example of exactly when your gun was used in self defense.

I have a gun or two because its my right. As for self defense, I leave that to ADT.

It is fun to shoot. Try it sometimes.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Heifetz
this just shows that some people are animals, and are not civilized, and hence, all guns should be banned. What legitimate use do guns have in our society at all except at the hand of law officials? And for those who are going to reply BS, and "I have a gun because its my right, to protect my family", please include ONE specific example of exactly when your gun was used in self defense.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-leg17.html

On another legislative front, Blagojevich suffered a setback on legislation favored by gun-rights groups that would safeguard homeowners who shoot intruders in towns that prohibit gun ownership. Without debate, the House voted 85-30 to override the governor's veto of that legislation, which was inspired by the case of Hale DeMar, a Wilmette resident who shot a burglar who had broken into his home twice.

Cook County State's Attorney Richard Devine's office did not charge DeMar, but Wilmette officials pressed charges against him for breaking the suburb's handgun ban.

Even though this is not me personally, there are many stories of people protecting themselves.
You do not give up the right to protect yourself just because of our current "civilized' society.

It is better to have it and not need it then to need it and not have it.

 

[notfred]

Guns are designed to kill things, that is the sole reason they exist. The SKS was designed to kill people specifically, not deer. The gun did a hell of a job, apparently. People, or the media, or whoever, can say "ooh, look at the nasty assault weapon!", but the gun performed flawlessly in the task it was designed for.

I am not an anti-gun person. I do not beleive they should be banned. I do, however, think that the pro-gun crowd needs to stop thinking about guns like car engines. "Wow, check that out, 400hp, ported heads, supercharged, polished intake! (grunts like Tim Allen)!" People do not build these things in former soviet countries and sell them to the armies of Iraq and North Korea (and the guy in the article) so that they can be showewd off to friends and bragged about on the internet. They are designed to be taken into battle to kill people.

Sure, you can say "A deer hunting rifle has a stopping power of 1800 while the SKS, has a stopping of just 800, therefore the deer rifle is more dangerous, blah blah blah..." The fact is, the stopping power of the SKS is obviously more than adequate for killing 5 people. Some of you need to stop treating these things like the latest video card "OMG, my new gun gets 8 more bullets per second than the GeForce 13XYZ in Doom3, I'm so l33t!" and reflect for a moment on the fact that the reason it exists, and presumably the reason you own the thing, is so that if a situation ever requires it, you can kill someone with it.

Guns are machines that demand a large amount of respect, and treating them like riceboys comparing horsepower numbers of thier cars, especially in the context of the murder of 5 people, doesn't make anyone look like they actually realize why guns are built in the first place.

 

[OffTopic1]

Originally posted by: dbzwukan

Originally posted by: mcveigh
I wonder if he's VC?


"I was agent orange, I was stationed in poontang"
😉

Damn, a VC, that's what I thought when I first heard about his name and the rifle that he's using. SKS Assult rifle. That thing is quite accurate.

7.62 rounds are easy to get. They cost about $150 give or take and very easy to get even when the ban was there. You can change the stock later to add the pistal grip and then add a high capacity magazine too.

It is possible that he was a VC, however his name is Chai Soua Vang which sound more like he came from Lao/China/Thailand.
The Hmong people were known to aid the enemy (US), therefore many flee after the US left Vietnam. And, the one that stayed have a very difficult life?they aren?t recognize by any nation and have very little/no opportunity in life.

There are some unrest with Hmong people in Laos in recent years, and they are being hunted in Thailand for growing poppies (their only source of income). The Chinese, and Vietnamese sees them as barbaric sub humanoid.

 

[fenrir]

Originally posted by: Tom
Hey, I think this was a senseless tragedy. When confronted with information that makes no sense, different people deal with it in different ways.

Now you have added additional information, that wasn't part of the initial story or the subsequent reactions of the first few posts in this thread. I don't know what your source is for saying there wasn't a shoot-out, or that the "hunting party" was unarmed. If that is true it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me why a "hunting party" would be unarmed ? ("hunting party" is how the original news story describes the victims)

I understand people deal with things differently, but it seems like it is now okay joke about things like this. I can understand joking about some idiot who can make the Darwin award list, but not something like this.

My friend sent me this link, WCCO to read. No one has the full story yet, and my friend will let me know when he has more details that do not appear in the media.

Matt

 

[MiniDoom]

Originally posted by: Heifetz
this just shows that some people are animals, and are not civilized, and hence, all guns should be banned. What legitimate use do guns have in our society at all except at the hand of law officials? And for those who are going to reply BS, and "I have a gun because its my right, to protect my family", please include ONE specific example of exactly when your gun was used in self defense.

yeah, because no one was murdered before guns existed.:laugh:

 

[UNCjigga]

OK, I always hear the argument that guns aren't the problem and that if everyone had guns, we'd all be in equilibrium with less violent crime or something stupid like that.

Well here's a situation where everyone had guns, and yet the crazy wacko was able to shoot eight armed men/women? EIGHT??? Nobody shot back? Oh well I guess he had an automatic weapon and the others didn't?

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: notfred
Guns are designed to kill things, that is the sole reason they exist. The SKS was designed to kill people specifically, not deer. The gun did a hell of a job, apparently. People, or the media, or whoever, can say "ooh, look at the nasty assault weapon!", but the gun performed flawlessly in the task it was designed for.

I am not an anti-gun person. I do not beleive they should be banned. I do, however, think that the pro-gun crowd needs to stop thinking about guns like car engines. "Wow, check that out, 400hp, ported heads, supercharged, polished intake! (grunts like Tim Allen)!" People do not build these things in former soviet countries and sell them to the armies of Iraq and North Korea (and the guy in the article) so that they can be showewd off to friends and bragged about on the internet. They are designed to be taken into battle to kill people.

Sure, you can say "A deer hunting rifle has a stopping power of 1800 while the SKS, has a stopping of just 800, therefore the deer rifle is more dangerous, blah blah blah..." The fact is, the stopping power of the SKS is obviously more than adequate for killing 5 people. Some of you need to stop treating these things like the latest video card "OMG, my new gun gets 8 more bullets per second than the GeForce 13XYZ in Doom3, I'm so l33t!" and reflect for a moment on the fact that the reason it exists, and presumably the reason you own the thing, is so that if a situation ever requires it, you can kill someone with it.

Guns are machines that demand a large amount of respect, and treating them like riceboys comparing horsepower numbers of thier cars, especially in the context of the murder of 5 people, doesn't make anyone look like they actually realize why guns are built in the first place.

Guns are tools, period. Just like swords, daggers, spears, and all the like before their time, they are primarily intended to kill things. Guns are merely more efficient at it.

All we had going was a technical debate about a small arm's role and suitability in a hunting situation.

Also, the SKS is considered obsolete as an infantry weapon by pretty much everyone in the world.

 

[desy]

Mis-information
He did not have an automatic weapon
ALLLLLL guns are designed to kill, SKS or 22 or high powered rifle or handgun.
To hobbiests argueing over the merits of caliber or type is what makes it interesting ,so the cars comparison is vailid.
Its why the reaction to a particular type of rifle is unwaranted. ALL in the hands of a nut would do a similar job. Focus on the fact that this guy looks like he has had a history of mental illness first and foremost.

 

[dbzwukan]

Originally posted by: Jigga
OK, I always hear the argument that guns aren't the problem and that if everyone had guns, we'd all be in equilibrium with less violent crime or something stupid like that.

Well here's a situation where everyone had guns, and yet the crazy wacko was able to shoot eight armed men/women? EIGHT??? Nobody shot back? Oh well I guess he had an automatic weapon and the others didn't?

Actually supposely, only one guy was armed. He might be the first one shot.