Boberfet, please look into and understand my point. I love to drive and could easily toss my own butt into the passenger seat with a blip of the wheel, much less after some kind of impact.
insurance prices for safety devices which include seat belts.
side note-people should stop flaming the op. he realizes he made a mistake(i hope) and he's trying to deal with it.
that's like telling a kid do as i say not as i do...i have a problem with that. and after those threads about responsible parenting this week, you need to do what you can.
Here is a question for all you people saying people who get in wrecks without a seatbelt cost tax payers more money.
What about all those people who have sex with multiple partners and have children from multiple partners and the kids are being taken care of (even partly if not entirely) by the state. Should we make it illegal to have sex with multiple partners because it could lead to kids the tax payers have to pay for?
What about all those people who have sex with multiple partners and have children from multiple partners and the kids are being taken care of (even partly if not entirely) by the state. Should we make it illegal to have sex with multiple partners because it could lead to kids the tax payers have to pay for?
How many other things do we all do on a daily basis that puts us and others at risk? Legislating personal morality and personal safety are never a good thing IMHO.
I never said I do not wear my seatbelt. I'm against our government legislating it.
If people can ride a motorcycle (even with a helmet you still have a pretty good chance of being dead if the accident happens over 35 mph) why can't people ride in their car without a seatbelt?
Ricemarine
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explain how.
edit -All the statistics I have seen show motorcycle fatalities rising as a percentage of total fatalities. Motorcycles also have MANY more fatalities per 100m miles traveled. Motorcycles were 42.27 deaths per 100m miles, ALL passenger vehicles, which includes people not wearing their seatbelt (and even motorcycles which increases the total number substantially) was 1.45 deaths per 100m miles.
If its a cost to tax payer issue then motorcycles should be outlawed just as riding in cars without a seatbelt has become illegal for that very same reasoning.
Edit 2- source http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/p...sa/ppt/2006/810639.pdf
KK
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yeah, some of these people are saying it'll cause the insurance rates to go up, but what about the bikers out there. So by saying bikes shouldn't be banned, then we can throw out that insurance/health care nonsense. So what do we got left, this notion that you will lose control of your vehicle because you aren't buckled in. First off, if you get into a situation that throws you into the passenger side, you would be fvcked even if you were buckled in.
What else is left, $$$ made on tickets. yep, that's what it boils down to.
QueBert
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insurance on a Motorcycle is going to be higher than a car. They could offer car insurance where you don't have to wear a seatbelt and charge more for it. That way the people who whine about how they have to wear one, can get away without doing it. And if they crash and fly out the window it can be paid for with the extra $$$ they pay each month.
Motorcycle insurance is already crazy high. People under 25 get raped about 2k and up around here, and riding season is only ~6 months (thanks winter). Yes, motorcycles are one of the most dangerous per mile travelled, but comparing the act of riding itself to seatbelts is stupid. You should at most be comparing seatbelts to helmets/leathers. That or motorcycle riding to car driving; safety device to safety device not(edit: should be OR) vehicle to vehicle. Otherwise, start comparing seatbelts to horse riding, bicycles or knife juggling. Hey, those are dangerous too, maybe not as much as motorcycles.
KK
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Yep, I had motorcycle coverage 10 years ago, and I know it wasn't no 2k. If it was that much I wouldn't of been able to afford it on my military pay. I know I didn't have full coverage, but it was no higher than what boberfett has said his was. Of course 10 years ago it would have a tad cheaper.
Nope. If we compare what you said to seat belts that would mean you would not get a ticket until you got in an accident. The purpose of the law was to force you to act a certain way to minimize risk, not to punish after the damage has been done.
My point still stands that by engaging in sex out of wedlock and with multiple partners increases the risk that child could be produced. Statistics show that children born under these circumstances are a larger burden on the tax payer. In order to curb the problem we will outlaw the initial behavior to "protect" the tax payer. Same thing can be said about seatbelt laws. Not wearing a seatbelt leads to more severe accidents. These accidents on average cost more for the tax payer. In order to curb the problem we will outlaw the initial behavior to "protect" the tax payer.
i called my lawyer this morning and he said there won't be any penalty on my license or insurance. WOOT!! 
Keep it up, this way you'll never get to drive again, and that would be one less idiot on the road!
Good job, you're making the roads safer. Either by natural selection or by losing your license.
Good job, you're making the roads safer. Either by natural selection or by losing your license.
Don't worry, I'm not going to spelling/grammar nazi you
.I wouldn't count on it though. If someone won't wear a seatbelt to stick it to the man, what makes you think they'll obey the 'man' who suspended their license?
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Seatbelts help hold you in place in the event of a panic manuever. In that sense they help prevent accidents. In terms of being a victimless crime, I couldn't disagree more. Any damage you cause to your body that would have been prevented by seatbelt use has to be paid for by all of us. When you go to the hospital in a coma because you got ejected from your car (extreme example), that cost becomes a costs for thousands of people, not just you.
If you prevent an accident (able to maintain control) by using a seatbelt, then you've not only saved yourself from a trip to the hospital plus the headache of finding a new car, but you've saved a huge repair bill and a huge hospital bill.
I never believed seatbelts could prevent an accident from happening until I took an advanced driving course offered free by my state (MA). After making panic turns with and without seatbelts on, I would never operate a car again without one.
MustangSVT
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