Firingsquad Publishes HDR + AA Performance Tests

[Elfear]

Originally posted by: Crusader

If you had minimum framerate numbers in foliage to back that up Ackmed, I'd believe you and drop it. No harm will be done to anyones ego. Unless yours lies in the balance? Mine does not.
Is that to much to ask out of you? Proof and evidence DOES sway people Ackmed. But you dont have it. Just this wild-eyed assertion that it "works for you" magically, while all credible sources not wholly devoted to ATI say otherwise.

I'm not trying to say HDR+AA is a bad thing, I'm glad for any tech that advances the gaming industry.
I'm only trying to say that given the lack of games and performance at high res it has little use at this point in time.
Someday HDR+AA may be a more important issue, but by then X1900s will likely be fairly slow cards.

I'll take you up on that challenge Crusader. Not because I don't think Ackmed can't do it on his own, but I'm actually curious what kind of performance I can get at 1920x1200 with HDR+AA. I should have some #'s ready to post by the end of the week.

As to your assertations:

"most power users that have rigs capable of HDR+AA, and also are even AWARE of the fact that ATI has hacked the game frequently use 24inch widescreen LCDs"

"High resolution, where the power users tend to game at on their 24inch LCDs (1920x1200) are where the numbers truley either make or break this HDR+AA Oblivion hack-job."

I think we should do a pole and see what resolution people with X1*** series cards use. I'd be willing to bet that 1280x1024 beats out 1920x1200 10:1. Certainly the ability to do HDR+AA at 1600x1200 and higher is impressive but not exactly mandatory when most people have a native res of 1280x1024. Your argument doesn't hold much water when Nvidia cards can't even do HDR at 1600x1200 and above and stay playable (according to your standards).

 

[redbox]

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

Originally posted by: redbox

And maybe some people like poking out their eyes with bad AF? Come on quite being melodramatic.

nvidia has better AA
ati has better AF

nice flamebait post

sarcasm is wasted on you huh?

 

[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: redbox

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

Originally posted by: redbox

And maybe some people like poking out their eyes with bad AF? Come on quite being melodramatic.

nvidia has better AA
ati has better AF

nice flamebait post

sarcasm is wasted on you huh?

hey no fair i edited that out like a minute after you got it quoted (i edited it before i saw your post)

i posted it when i was in a bad mood :Q all these ATI/nvidia fanboys are rubbing off on me i think

 

[Stoneburner]

This is rather disturbing but minus the fanbois it's pretty clear HDR + AA looks sweet. I can't run oblivion all that well with it since I have a x1800xl but to say it looks washed out is a little misleading. With improper settings it looks a litlte odd and at certain times of the (in game) day it looks strange but overall HDR looks beautiful.

 

[redbox]

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

Originally posted by: redbox

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

Originally posted by: redbox

And maybe some people like poking out their eyes with bad AF? Come on quite being melodramatic.

nvidia has better AA
ati has better AF

nice flamebait post

sarcasm is wasted on you huh?

hey no fair i edited that out like a minute after you got it quoted (i edited it before i saw your post)

i posted it when i was in a bad mood :Q all these ATI/nvidia fanboys are rubbing off on me i think

opp sorry I hope I didn't come off as too fanboy like. I was just pointing out that his comment was as melodramatic as Joker's about the needle in eye NV AF.

 

[redbox]

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
This is rather disturbing but minus the fanbois it's pretty clear HDR + AA looks sweet. I can't run oblivion all that well with it since I have a x1800xl but to say it looks washed out is a little misleading. With improper settings it looks a litlte odd and at certain times of the (in game) day it looks strange but overall HDR looks beautiful.

I agree HDR is something you have to mess with untill you get it to a comfortable level. It isn't like AA or AF where you just max it and forget it. I am a bit suprised you can't play oblivion very well with your x1800xl as I am playing it just fine with my 7800gt. Are you playing with HDR+AA? I could see that hitting your card pretty hard, plus if you have any LOD mods they can have a big inpact on your performance. ........But they look soooooo good.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: thilan29
I never said there are only NVidia biased sites but every time there is something good posted about ATI some fanboy comes in claiming bias.

When a less biased site posts it, then it's good news. If I hear it from Tech Report, Hardocp, Xbit or even Rage3D I will find it more credible.

And what is it that makes FS not trustworthy? You claim FS is bias, what proof do you have to back it up? Also, HardOCP does use HDR+AA in their evaluations, and sayit is playable.

Did you see me claiming that all sites are biased towards NVidia because the 7950 performed well?? Didn't think so.

Because ALL sites are reporting it peforming well, not just one. [/quote]

Where are these sites with numbers ofr HDR+AA, that claim its not playable?

You talking about hyprocrisy is hilarious when an obviously extremely biased person such as yourself claims the site is biased.

Someone has to counter all this FUD and BS that gets posted. [/quote]

Yeah, you posting FUD and BS does have to be countered, you're right.

Originally posted by: Frackal
Arguing with Crusader is a complete waste, he offers essentially nothing but either paid viral marketing or extreme nvidia partisanship, either way its a waste of time reading his posts

I agree, and I will no longer respond, or read his posts. After last week, when he accused me of many things that were well beyond the line of posting, being a traitor, insinuating that because I live in the South, I do not like the North and what it stands for, the name calling, and other things Because I did not "support" America by buying an NV card, and calling me a traitor, he is not even close to worthy of responding to.

He and wreckage are just trolling this post, because ATi can do HDR+AA, while getting playable frames, and NV cant do it at all. Except for HL2's watered down HDR. Calling FS bias, is just ignorant, pure and simple. Oblivion is a hugely popular game, and the advantage of HDR+AA is a huge difference.

 

[nullpointerus]

Looks like video is no longer boring...

 

[LittleNemoNES]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: spank

Originally posted by: Wreckage
When a less biased site posts it, then it's good news. If I hear it from Tech Report, Hardocp, Xbit or even Rage3D I will find it more credible.

hardocp also thinks that hdr+aa is playable, link

2XAA plus crossfire. :roll:

I would hope at the very least that should work.

@ 1920x1200!!!!!!

I use 4x @ 1680x1050

 

[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Except for HL2's watered down HDR.

theres nothing "watered down" about HL2's hdr, it looks as good or better than "real" FP16 hdr

edit: weeeee 100 posts :Q

 

[LittleNemoNES]

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Except for HL2's watered down HDR.

theres nothing "watered down" about HL2's hdr, it looks as good or better than "real" FP16 hdr

edit: weeeee 100 posts :Q

went over 1000 myself -- didn't notice! hooray, I love this place.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Except for HL2's watered down HDR.

theres nothing "watered down" about HL2's hdr, it looks as good or better than "real" FP16 hdr

edit: weeeee 100 posts :Q

Not to me, and many others. It doesnt do near the same thing, when going outside, from inside, etc.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Not to me, and many others. It doesnt do near the same thing, when going outside, from inside, etc.

Funny, you were just crying in the other threads about people posting there opinion and what they said was "subjective". Now here you are doing the exact same thing.

Sad.

 

[Praxis1452]

good job guys make it interesting video has gotten pretty damn boring lately. btw just read my sig. just need to get crusader too

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Not to me, and many others. It doesnt do near the same thing, when going outside, from inside, etc.

Funny, you were just crying in the other threads about people posting there opinion and what they said was "subjective". Now here you are doing the exact same thing.

Sad.

Except it is watered down. HL2's HDR does not have the same quality as say, Farcrys. It does not have the depth. When coming out from a cave in Farcry, your eyes "adjust", like in real life. HL2's does nothing of the sort. But yes, it is an opinion on which looks better. It is however not an option, that HL2's doesnt have the depth that Farcrys does. They do it differently. Good try though.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Except it is watered down.

In your "subjective opinion". I prefer it to Farcry's HDR which is more of an obstruction and overpowers the overall picture.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Except it is watered down.

In your "subjective opinion". I prefer it to Farcry's HDR which is more of an obstruction and overpowers the overall picture.

said its an opinion as to which looks better, never said it wasnt. What I did say was that HL2's is "watered down" compared to Farcrys, which it is. There are some key differences between the two. HL2's HDR cannot do what Farcrys can, and thats a fact. Simple as that.

 

[Tangerines]

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: Tangerines

Originally posted by: akugami

Originally posted by: Tangerines
Wow, that looks awesome. I'll have to spring for one of those cards soon to replace my aging 6800NU. Which should I get though? The X1800 series or the X1900 series? Advice would be appreciated.

Just make sure your PSU can support it. One of the negatives of the X1k series from ATI is they are power hungry like a mofo. It's a very good bang for the buck card. If you want lower than this, try to get an X1800XT 512MB or barring that a 7900GT.

Alright, I have a 500W PSU, so that should be adequate. I'll probably go for the X1800XT 512. Thanks!

Check how many amps your PSU gives on the 12v rail. The number should be listed on the side of the PSU. Or better yet if you can give the make and model of your PSU, the amperage can be verified.

I have an Enermax Liberty 500W power supply. This one.

 

[josh6079]

Ackmed, don't get so bent out of shape about Wreckage. He has trouble even reading things correctly more or less arguing logically. If you say you're going to ingnor Crusader, why not just do it to Wreckage as well? There's not much of a difference.

 

[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: josh6079
Ackmed, don't get so bent out of shape about Wreckage. He has trouble even reading things correctly more or less arguing logically. If you say you're going to ingnor Crusader, why not just do it to Wreckage as well? There's not much of a difference.

wreckage
crusader
5150joker
ackmed

they're all the same, just some are red and some are green

 

[Nightmare225]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Not to me, and many others. It doesnt do near the same thing, when going outside, from inside, etc.

Funny, you were just crying in the other threads about people posting there opinion and what they said was "subjective". Now here you are doing the exact same thing.

Sad.

Except it is watered down. HL2's HDR does not have the same quality as say, Farcrys. It does not have the depth. When coming out from a cave in Farcry, your eyes "adjust", like in real life. HL2's does nothing of the sort. But yes, it is an opinion on which looks better. It is however not an option, that HL2's doesnt have the depth that Farcrys does. They do it differently. Good try though.

Funny how in HL2, when you look at a direct light source, like the sun, and then you look at a darker area, the overall brightness of the image increases. Although, I might be missing something in what you take to be "eye adjustment"

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

Originally posted by: josh6079
Ackmed, don't get so bent out of shape about Wreckage. He has trouble even reading things correctly more or less arguing logically. If you say you're going to ingnor Crusader, why not just do it to Wreckage as well? There's not much of a difference.

wreckage
crusader
5150joker
ackmed

they're all the same, just some are red and some are green

Careful, some think that I myself am 5150Joker's disciple.

Needless to say I don't think it would hurt if all of those four ignored eachother's posts. I know as I sure everyone else does how far arguing for 30 pages gets you....

 

[Ichigo]

Is it just me or does anyone else find it funny that while Crusader is pointing out the lack of FPS numbers at high resolutions, citing that FS doesn't give out the "whole truth", he himself is cherry-picking arguments? Like how he hasn't responded to the post regarding 2xAA+HDR@1920x1200 being playable?

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Nightmare225


Funny how in HL2, when you look at a direct light source, like the sun, and then you look at a darker area, the overall brightness of the image increases. Although, I might be missing something in what you take to be "eye adjustment"

And what happens when you walk out of a building to the sun in HL2? Does it take several seconds for your eyes to "adjust"? Im not saying Farcrys is better, I dont care for it much myself. All I said was that its "watered down", its more basic. Thats all.

Originally posted by: schneiderguy
wreckage
crusader
5150joker
ackmed

they're all the same, just some are red and some are green

Show me where I post several things like he has, and try and pass them off as facts. Show me where I said anyone was "betraying his nation" or "selling his soul to canada", etc. for buying ATi cards. I dont call names like they do. The only way wreckage, crusader and I are alike, is that we all have a bias. Not in posting habits.

The bottom line is, ATi can do HDR+AA in games where NV cannot. Thats the fact, and they simply do not like it. So they try to belittle it, and claim its not playable.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: josh6079
Ackmed, don't get so bent out of shape about Wreckage. He has trouble even reading things correctly more or less arguing logically. If you say you're going to ingnor Crusader, why not just do it to Wreckage as well? There's not much of a difference.

The same could also be said about you and Ackmed. If you are going to accuse, why not sling mud at both sides.