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Firestone oil change $11.99

JEDI

JEDI

Lifer
Walmart has been offering $11.99 oil changes (including filter) for years. I just noticed this week that the Firestone shop near me has a BIG sign in their front window for $11.99 also. (they may have had it for a while, but i just noticed it.)

yeah walmart for causing lower prices of oil changes. Most of the $19.99 shops near me have lowered their prices and they might go lower now that firestone is matching Walmart.

i wonder how long jiffy lube will stay in business with $25 oil changes....
 
Firestone is the last place I would tell any one to take there car. I ALMOST worked at a Firestone and was told how things would be done if I accepted the job, so I know how they work, and turned down the job.
 
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Firestone is the last place I would tell any one to take there car. I ALMOST worked at a Firestone and was told how things would be done if I accepted the job, so I know how they work, and turned down the job.
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explain! I've heard things too but never from someone that almost worked there
 
I can say that Argo and I'm not.

Wix and Castrol is where it's at in my place, unless of course you want synthetic, then it's Amsoil.
 
I went to Wal-Mart to get my oil changed last Wednesday. Cost $11.97 and I was out in 15 minutes. Now THAT is what I call service 😀
 
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: beer
You can't even buy 5 qrts oil + filter yourself for that price....
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You can if you buy junk, which is exactly what they use.
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I've heard opinions that differ from yours. The oil in my 2000 Prizm has mostly been changed at Wal-Mart for two and a half years now. No problems, and cheaper.
I do them myself on my Beetle, but that's different.
 
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: beer
You can't even buy 5 qrts oil + filter yourself for that price....
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You can if you buy junk, which is exactly what they use.
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I've heard opinions that differ from yours. The oil in my 2000 Prizm has mostly been changed at Wal-Mart for two and a half years now. No problems, and cheaper.
I do them myself on my Beetle, but that's different.
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yea if I drove a beetle, I wouldn't take it in either 😛
 
Originally posted by: Roger
I can say that Argo and I'm not.

Wix and Castrol is where it's at in my place, unless of course you want synthetic, then it's Amsoil.
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Why Castrol, just out of curiosity?

It's not really all that great. It's better than Walmart's SuperTech, and also Mobil's conventional oils.. but heh.

Valvoline All-Climate, Citgo SuperGard, 76 Lubricants Guardol QLT, Shell Formula Shell, Pennzoil Multigrade, Motorcraft SuperPremium.. are all better.

Speaking for 10W-30 only.

😉

It would be very interesting to do an oil price/performance chart. I suppose the above may not mean a whole lot if Castrol is like 5x cheaper or something.
 
Valvoline All-Climate, Citgo SuperGard, 76 Lubricants Gardall QLT, Shell Formula Shell, Pennzoil Multigrade, Motorcraft SuperPremium.. are all better.
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Prove it.
 
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: beer
You can't even buy 5 qrts oil + filter yourself for that price....
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You can if you buy junk, which is exactly what they use.
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I've heard opinions that differ from yours. The oil in my 2000 Prizm has mostly been changed at Wal-Mart for two and a half years now. No problems, and cheaper.
I do them myself on my Beetle, but that's different.
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So because your 2.5 year old car hasn't exhibited problems, the cheap oil at walmart is perfectly fine? It's cheap stuff. How else do you think they can over a $12 oil change (not including the extra crap they may try and sell you)? They use the cheapest filters and oil they can find. It probably IS fine, but that doesn't change the fact that it's cheap oil. The important thing is that $1.50 oil and $5 is probably not as big a diff as people would like to believe.
 
Nice nakedfrog 🙂

I have a small fleet of aircooled german automobiles as well 🙂


Hey Eli ;


Brand VI Flash Pour %ash %zinc

20W-50
AMSOIL 136 482 -38 <.5 ---
Castrol GTX 122 440 -15 .85 .12
Exxon High Performance 119 419 -13 .70 .11
Havoline Formula 3 125 465 -30 1.0 ---
Kendall GT-1 129 390 -25 1.0 .16
Pennzoil GT Perf. 120 460 -10 .9 ---
Quaker State Dlx. 155 430 -25 .9 ---
Red Line 150 503 -49 --- ---
Shell Truck Guard 130 450 -15 1.0 .15
Spectro Golden 4 174 440 -35 --- .15
Spectro Golden M.G. 174 440 -35 --- .13
Unocal 121 432 -11 .74 .12
Valvoline All Climate 125 430 -10 1.0 .11
Valvoline Turbo 140 440 -10 .99 .13
Valvoline Race 140 425 -10 1.2 .20
Valvoline Synthetic 146 465 -40 <1.5 .12

20W-40
Castrol Multi-Grade 110 440 -15 .85 .12
Quaker State 121 415 -15 .9 ---

15W-50
Chevron 204 415 -18 .96 .11
Mobil 1 170 470 -55 --- ---
Mystic JT8 144 420 -20 1.7 .15
Red Line 152 503 -49 --- ---

5W-50
Castrol Syntec 180 437 -45 1.2 .10 .095 % Phosphor
Quaker State Synquest 173 457 -76 --- ---
Pennzoil Performax 176 --- -69 --- ---

5W-40
Havoline 170 450 -40 1.4 ---

15W-40
AMSOIL 135 460 -38 <.5 ---
Castrol 134 415 -15 1.3 .14
Chevron Delo 400 136 421 -27 1.0 ---
Exxon XD3 --- 417 -11 .9 .14
Exxon XD3 Extra 135 399 -11 .95 .13
Kendall GT-1 135 410 -25 1.0 .16
Mystic JT8 142 440 -20 1.7 .15
Red Line 149 495 -40 --- ---
Shell Rotella w/XLA 146 410 -25 1.0 .13
Valvoline All Fleet 140 --- -10 1.0 .15
Valvoline Turbo 140 420 -10 .99 .13

10W-30
AMSOIL 142 480 -70 <.5 ---
Castrol GTX 140 415 -33 .85 .12
Chevron Supreme 150 401 -26 .96 .11
Exxon Superflo Hi Perf 135 392 -22 .70 .11
Exxon Superflo Supreme 133 400 -31 .85 .13
Havoline Formula 3 139 430 -30 1.0 ---
Kendall GT-1 139 390 -25 1.0 .16
Mobil 1 160 450 -65 --- ---
Pennzoil PLZ Turbo 140 410 -27 1.0 ---
Quaker State 156 410 -30 .9 ---
Red Line 139 475 -40 --- ---
Shell Fire and Ice 155 410 -35 .9 .12
Shell Super 2000 155 410 -35 1.0 .13
Shell Truck Guard 155 405 -35 1.0 .15
Spectro Golden M.G. 175 405 -40 --- ---
Unocal Super 153 428 -33 .92 .12
Valvoline All Climate 130 410 -26 1.0 .11
Valvoline Turbo 135 410 -26 .99 .13
Valvoline Race 130 410 -26 1.2 .20
Valvoline Synthetic 140 450 -40 <1.5 .12

5W-30
AMSOIL 168 480 -76 <.5 ---
Castrol GTX 156 400 -35 .80 .12
Chevron Supreme 202? 354 -46 .96 .11
Chevron Supreme Synt. 165 446 -72 1.1 .12
Exxon Superflow HP 148 392 -22 .70 .11
Havoline Formula 3 158 420 -40 1.0 ---
Mobil 1 165 445 -65 --- ---
Mystic JT8 161 390 -25 .95 .1
Quaker State 165 405 -35 .9 ---
Red Line 151 455 -49 --- ---
Shell Fire and Ice 167 405 -35 .9 .12
Unocal 151 414 -33 .81 .12
Valvoline All Climate 135 405 -40 1.0 .11
Valvoline Turbo 158 405 -40 .99 .13
Valvoline Synthetic 160 435 -40 <1.5 .12
 
i don't trust jiffy-lube, walmart, poop-boys, or any of those service centers. i change it myself...except when it's -50 degrees outside.

...then i take it to Roger's shop 😀
 
I only use Mobil 1 and K&amp;N oil filters. More money, but the piece of mind is worth it to me. I wish places started making deals for people who "bring thier own," finding a shop that will do it for you without wanting to charge you full price is annoying.
I wish I could fit under my car! 🙁
 
I do that but I will not guarantee the parts, if something fails, you are on your own and I only charge for labor, $5.
 
The amount of refining done to the oils, the more ash, zinc and other impurities detract from the oils longevity and performance.
 
Originally posted by: Roger
Valvoline All-Climate, Citgo SuperGard, 76 Lubricants Gardall QLT, Shell Formula Shell, Pennzoil Multigrade, Motorcraft SuperPremium.. are all better.
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Prove it.
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Castrol GTX 10W-30:

Viscosity Index = 143
Pour Point = -22F
Flash Point = 415F
High Temp/High Shear = 3.10
NOACK % weight loss = 13%
Total Base Number = 5.0

The pour point sucks, flash point is satisfactory at best. It is quite shear stable, which is it's only saving grace. 😉 The TBN of 5.0 doesen't really matter as long as you're changing the oil every 3,000 miles.

Valvoline All-Climate 10W-30:

VI = 135
PP = -27F
FP = 421F
HT/HS = 2.90
NOACK = 13%
TBN = 7.0

A bit of a tradeoff; stable to a higher temp but less shear stable. However, it should hold up a little better if you make it a habbit to miss the 3,000 mile mark quite often due to its TBN of 7.0. 😉

Shell FormulaShell 10W-30:

VI = 137
PP = -36F
FP = 430F
HT/HS = 2.90
NOACK = 13%
TBN = 6.2

A little better.

Citgo Citgard 500 10W-30:

VI = 136
PP = -27F
FP = 417F
HT/HS = 3.30
NOACK = 13%
TBN = 8.0

Now we're talkin! Quite shear stable, with a very high TBN to fight those nasty combustion byproducts. Flash point could be better.


76 Lubricants Guardol QLT 10W-30:

VI = 135
PP = -33F
FP = 415F
HT/HS = 3.50
NOACK = 13%
TBN = 12


w00t! Even better! This oil should resist shearing quite well and should be able to fight combustion byproducts with the best of them.


Pennzoil Multigrade 10W-30

VI = 140
PP = -33F
FP = 430F
HT/HS = 3.20
NOACK = 13%
TBN = 5.0

Better than GTX 10W-30 in all ways.

Motorcraft Super Premium 10W-30:

VI = 139
PP = -31F
FP = 439F
HT/HS = 3.20
NOACK = 13%
TBN = 6.7

Wow! Now we're actually starting to get into the quality conventional oils! 😉

One of the best conventional oils money can buy?

Mobil1 Delvac 1300 Super 10W-30:
VI = 147
PP = -38F
FP = 439F
HT/HS = 3.60
NOACK = 13%
TBN = 11

Better(overall) than Mobil1 SuperSyn synthetic 10W-30 -

VI = 145
PP = -49F <--- gotta love synthetic
FP = 455F
HT/HS = 2.90
NOACK = 13%
TBN = 5.0

:Q
 
Originally posted by: Roger
Eli, did you read my PM to you ?
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😉

And just for the thread, as you can see.. the differences in specs between conventional oils are generally insignificant, especially when it comes to flash points. But there are those that stand above the rest.
 
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