Though I should have gotten law enforcement involved, remember I didn't want to start a scene and get my a$s kicked after work at 2am because i know who's side the manager would be on but once I was getting terminated I understood why and figured that I wouldn't have to show up there anymore and if I made an alligation<sp?> I would never have to see "richard" at work so that he could kick my ass and throw me into the compactor while I was putting empty boxes into it. Remember this is a big African American. I guess i'm like one of those rape victim's who didn't know what to do. But I did say that "your pretty racist, what's your problem" many times, he laughed at me like he's invulnerable and like what he said is the right thing to say
Christ jjsole, you just had to quote all that? You're dumber than you make CasioTech out to be!
CasioTech, this isn't going anywhere, since they bounced you during that 90 day probationary period. As far as they or the courts are concerned, you didn't fit in for whatever reason. Target will never admit it was anything to do with being Jewish. Hell, some of the managers in that store may have been Jewish. They'll just testify that you're wrong about everything. Your word against theirs. Don't hold your breath for any verdict in your favor.
CasioTech, this isn't going anywhere, since they bounced you during that 90 day probationary period. As far as they or the courts are concerned, you didn't fit in for whatever reason. Target will never admit it was anything to do with being Jewish. Hell, some of the managers in that store may have been Jewish. They'll just testify that you're wrong about everything. Your word against theirs. Don't hold your breath for any verdict in your favor.
Man, I tried to read that but I gave up. The lack of paragraphs made it difficult to read, but the atrocious spelling and grammar made it nearly impossible. Casiotech, if you want them to take you seriously, have someone proofread that for you.
I dunno... i didn't read to carefully on that statement...
Does Target have a 90-Day probationary period?? If so, then I'm sure you're SOL, racism complaint or not. That's not to say that if it did occur, that it's right or fair, BUT be aware that if they have this stipulation in effect, then they CAN and WILL terminate for any cause they see fit. It's usually standard practise at most retail outfits now, at least in Canada...
Does Target have a 90-Day probationary period?? If so, then I'm sure you're SOL, racism complaint or not. That's not to say that if it did occur, that it's right or fair, BUT be aware that if they have this stipulation in effect, then they CAN and WILL terminate for any cause they see fit. It's usually standard practise at most retail outfits now, at least in Canada...
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Your 90 day learning period. The first 90 days are when you learn your responsibilities and get acquainted with your fellow team members. It?s a chance for you and Target to see whether you?re happy with your job and whether your team leader is happy with your performance. If not, either you, or Target may decide your employment shouldn?t continue beyond this 90 day learning period. - Target Stores (non-exempt) handbook.
On 8/7/03, I was hired by Rachel (the HR manager of Target 1074). I did my training, 3 days with my trainer, and learned the suttleties of doing zoning, strays, and all aspects of my sales job. I was hired to do electronics dept. Sales floor. Since my start, I have been the only new hire on the sales floor (the other three new hires were all hired to be cashiers). I was exploited by all the other workers that were on the sales floor because I was new. One worker was called Daria- she would find me literally every minute, and ask me what I was doing, what I had already done, and what I have yet to do. I was told to make my isles look impeccable and I always did, yet when I had a single item out of order, I would get screamed upon. The funny thing was that Daria?s isles didn?t look half as organized as mine, probably because she spend all her time watching over me, instead of doing her own work, and when I finished, I went and had to finish her work. This same incident happened with other co-workers such as Richard, when I confronted Richard about it saying to him ?Why do I have to finish your work?? he replies ?What are you going to do about it?? and wanted to start fighting with me. Rodney, another employee, witnessed this and said ?Back off, it?s not worth it?. Incidents like these happened to me almost everyday, but I wanted to keep the job and enjoy the benefits of the job such as working with the guests and being appreciated by them for my help so I dealt with these problems at work.
My schedule was constantly messed up from week to week and Chris William?s (African American), the sales floor supervisor, got angry when he had to go and change it. Little things like these built up Chris? hatred for me which I will detail later. When Rachel left to open a store at a different location, Chris took over a lot of her responsibility of HR, hiring and firing employees, schedules, etc. until Target would get another HR. This was about two weeks ago. Yesterday, 8/28/03, I was Terminated from Target by Chris William?s around, 4:30pm. I was brought into a lounge and my performance was evalutated by Chris and another level 3 named Kelly, who did not do a lot of work with me, since he was on vacation- but from the times that he did work together he said that I did very well. I was told that my performance was ?poor? and no reasons in particular were given to me about my so called ?poor performance? other than, all the other employees and guests are complaining about me. No details whatsoever about my performance have been disclosed. He said that it was all confidential. Chris said ?You are terminated and I won?t reverse my decision?, saying hearsay about all my co workers in the process. He said other disparaging comments such as ?You are slow, and not up to Targets Superior work force, you do not like working with people and you are a liar, all you care about are your breaks and lunches, instead of learning- you are just not getting it.? I said how can someone not get it, if I needed extra help, I should have been told about any issues about my performance but I was never told anything and commended many times by other managers and co-workers.
I am not lazy but am among one of the quickest workers there, and I am new and still learning much. I never have an LRT, a device used to assist in finding where items go, and am forced to zone and put away strays by finding the labels on the shelves that match where the items go and putting the item there which is a very slow and tedious process, but that doesn?t slow me down, I still get my dept. finished and even go help other departments. I am great with guests, and help everyone earnestly, these are all lies that Chris said about me. As for asking about my lunches and breaks is because I was deprived of breaks and many times took my lunches near the stores closing, only when I begged for them because I was never scheduled for them.
Then Chris says that Richard and Jarrod and Tameika and others say I am a bad worker. Richard (African American), became my worst enemy in the store because of a week ago, in front of a few team members, he says to me ?You?re a Jew aren?t you- you don?t need to work, your parents are probably making you work, figures?? I tried to be casual about it and not say anything, because I didn?t want to blow anything out of proportion and make him hate me even more by telling a manager or get him suspended or lose his job because I was worried for my life- Richard already tried to fight me in the store once in the incident I spoke of earlier. Later Richard continued calling me ?Moses, Jewbagel, and Bagel boy? just to name a few. I realized the way the employees and managers felt about me, everyone there probably thought that because I was Jewish I don?t want to work. At the termination, I told Chris that Richard hates me because I?m Jewish and calls me disgusting names such as the ones listed above and I broke down crying and Chris just looked at me with a smug grin on his face and then Chris threw open the door and stormed out when I told him how bad I felt about the appalling remarks that Richard said. Chris did not come back for the rest of the termination process. Chris didn?t act surprised or even care about what other employees called me, probably because he felt the same way and didn?t say- I?ll talk to Richard, or how could someone say that about you- that?s terrible, Chris didn?t? have any kind of thoughtful reaction. He simply didn?t care, didn?t want to help me or be sympathetic to the harassment that I endured during my employment. Chris left me with the level three, Kelly who said you have to leave, Chris isn?t going to change his mind, you can?t do anything and I can?t make this any easier on you. I just said I wanted to know why my performance was never brought to my attention, until the day of my termination with no way to become an even better employee, the 90 day learning period says that I would be given opportunities to have my shortcomings brought to my attention so that I can work on them and if I did not learn my duties after 90 days that I would be terminated.
There is no way that I could have learned every aspect of my job, and all the departments in the short time that I worked there (less than one month). Kelly said that Chris is pissed off and he doesn?t want to deal with this anymore. I should have been helped along the way, and told how I did daily because I didn?t think, and still don?t think, that I am doing a bad job . That day there happened to be four new trainees, all African American, and I the hard working ?Jewish bagel boy? getting terminated Chris holds terrible racial bias. Since the day I said I was Jewish to the staff members, Chris, every day from then on, gave me nasty looks and walked past me when I gave him a greeting. From the hand shakes and thank you?s that he gave me the first two weeks of my employment. The change started almost immediately when he found out I?m Jewish.
During the first day on the job he asked me where I?m from, I knew this might be a problem, so I told him that I am Greek. Other factors led to his hatred for me such as the time when a customer returned a used digital camera, and Chris told me to put it away and sell it as new since it was nicely packaged from the return. I said that it is not fair to sell a used returned camera as new if it looks new, it?s deceiving and unfair to customers looking for a new factory packaged camera. Chris said ?Mind your own business and do as I tell you?. Chris wanted to kill me and said ?Don?t tell me what do to do! Get back to work!?. I got scared and backed off. Another time, when a customer (Spanish exporter) came to buy Playstion one in bulk, I didn?t say anything because I didn?t know, but then a Sony representative stopped by and said that if we find out that a Target is selling our consoles in bulk, Sony will cut them off because money isn?t made in selling the hardware, only the software, the hardware is basically given to the customer so they would have something to play their software on, which is where all the money is made. I didn?t say anything to the Sony representative that day because I didn?t want Chris to get into any trouble, I told Chris later that day that the Sony representative told me about selling consoles in bulk is unacceptable and Chris didn?t say anything, he just looked at me with blood shot eyes and walked off.
I also told him on one occasion that the fire escape door in the back room was blocked. Also, when I was trained as a cashier, I was told that if I work at the electronics register, that I would have to check out people that have a couple of items, or items that are behind the glass lockup. On one back to school night, a woman came up to me with a cart full of back to school items, I told her that I can not take you because you have too many items, I encourage you to go to the front lanes. Chris saw this and said ?What?s wrong with you, a sale is a sale, you mistreat our customers- you have to take everyone no matter what!? This is something that I was never taught in training, Chris just wanted to let out his anger on me. And on the final day, I was left with a walkie talkie that worked only in short distances, Chris tried to communicate with me, and I was unable to hear it, so he runs to my dept. and screams, ?You have to a walkie learn to use it and answer when I call you!?. I said that the walkie was not functioning properly. He ignored that.
Chris has got the worst attitude and temper that I have ever seen. What?s worse is that Chris knew about the racist words that were spoken about me and even probably invented them with Richard when they spend all that time together laughing it up in the employee lounge or Target food court talking about the only white Jewish boy that works on Sales floor in the electronics dept. Often times I walk by Chris and other team members and when I pass they start laughing soon after and when I turn around and look at them, they are starring at me and say ?what?s up Danny? when I know they just insulted me behind my back. I was the only new hire who was Jewish as well and if Chris knew that form the beginning, I would have gotten fired a long time ago, and if he conducted my interview, I would probably never gotten the job. I am also the only white Jewish teenage on the sales floor and I guess him seeing how good I am in all aspects of the job, being so young, attending college- something not a lot of other employees there do when I asked them- built on to his hatred, maybe he felt threatened by me, maybe that I might be successful one day and even take over his job duties with time and lots of hard work, something that he doesn?t want to see, so he terminated me, wrongfully. Maybe some Jewish customers gave him a hard time in the past, but I am a unique individual and I don?t deserve this.
Chris is the epitome of an anti-Semite. Chris tolerated those racist words, and he is the biggest racist and bigot the world will ever know. Once Chris found out that I am Jewish any questions, or personality that I showed, any challenge that I made to show my individuality- to show that I want to learn, be earnest and not be a drone Chris started hating me for asking these questions- but the first couple of weeks of work he was glad to answer questions. Now I am heart broken, and feel that Chris went out of line saying that I am ?not getting it? and humiliating me saying lies about me being rude to people when in fact I love people and have faith in them- and people love me. I called Chris later that evening, after my termination, and asked him about the 90 day learning period, and he was speechless, then for the corporate Phone Number and address, Chris gave the number to the merchandising dept. I called back and said this isn?t the correct number and he said ?I ain?t dealing with this sht? and hung up and would not talk with me anymore. I do not know if I will ever feel comfortable again holding a job b/c when I thought I did well and received praise , in Chris? eyes, I?m a ?horrible employee not up to standards? and I do not know if I can ever trust an employer again.
On 8/7/03, I was hired by Rachel (the HR manager of Target 1074). I did my training, 3 days with my trainer, and learned the suttleties of doing zoning, strays, and all aspects of my sales job. I was hired to do electronics dept. Sales floor. Since my start, I have been the only new hire on the sales floor (the other three new hires were all hired to be cashiers). I was exploited by all the other workers that were on the sales floor because I was new. One worker was called Daria- she would find me literally every minute, and ask me what I was doing, what I had already done, and what I have yet to do. I was told to make my isles look impeccable and I always did, yet when I had a single item out of order, I would get screamed upon. The funny thing was that Daria?s isles didn?t look half as organized as mine, probably because she spend all her time watching over me, instead of doing her own work, and when I finished, I went and had to finish her work. This same incident happened with other co-workers such as Richard, when I confronted Richard about it saying to him ?Why do I have to finish your work?? he replies ?What are you going to do about it?? and wanted to start fighting with me. Rodney, another employee, witnessed this and said ?Back off, it?s not worth it?. Incidents like these happened to me almost everyday, but I wanted to keep the job and enjoy the benefits of the job such as working with the guests and being appreciated by them for my help so I dealt with these problems at work.
My schedule was constantly messed up from week to week and Chris William?s (African American), the sales floor supervisor, got angry when he had to go and change it. Little things like these built up Chris? hatred for me which I will detail later. When Rachel left to open a store at a different location, Chris took over a lot of her responsibility of HR, hiring and firing employees, schedules, etc. until Target would get another HR. This was about two weeks ago. Yesterday, 8/28/03, I was Terminated from Target by Chris William?s around, 4:30pm. I was brought into a lounge and my performance was evalutated by Chris and another level 3 named Kelly, who did not do a lot of work with me, since he was on vacation- but from the times that he did work together he said that I did very well. I was told that my performance was ?poor? and no reasons in particular were given to me about my so called ?poor performance? other than, all the other employees and guests are complaining about me. No details whatsoever about my performance have been disclosed. He said that it was all confidential. Chris said ?You are terminated and I won?t reverse my decision?, saying hearsay about all my co workers in the process. He said other disparaging comments such as ?You are slow, and not up to Targets Superior work force, you do not like working with people and you are a liar, all you care about are your breaks and lunches, instead of learning- you are just not getting it.? I said how can someone not get it, if I needed extra help, I should have been told about any issues about my performance but I was never told anything and commended many times by other managers and co-workers.
I am not lazy but am among one of the quickest workers there, and I am new and still learning much. I never have an LRT, a device used to assist in finding where items go, and am forced to zone and put away strays by finding the labels on the shelves that match where the items go and putting the item there which is a very slow and tedious process, but that doesn?t slow me down, I still get my dept. finished and even go help other departments. I am great with guests, and help everyone earnestly, these are all lies that Chris said about me. As for asking about my lunches and breaks is because I was deprived of breaks and many times took my lunches near the stores closing, only when I begged for them because I was never scheduled for them.
Then Chris says that Richard and Jarrod and Tameika and others say I am a bad worker. Richard (African American), became my worst enemy in the store because of a week ago, in front of a few team members, he says to me ?You?re a Jew aren?t you- you don?t need to work, your parents are probably making you work, figures?? I tried to be casual about it and not say anything, because I didn?t want to blow anything out of proportion and make him hate me even more by telling a manager or get him suspended or lose his job because I was worried for my life- Richard already tried to fight me in the store once in the incident I spoke of earlier. Later Richard continued calling me ?Moses, Jewbagel, and Bagel boy? just to name a few. I realized the way the employees and managers felt about me, everyone there probably thought that because I was Jewish I don?t want to work. At the termination, I told Chris that Richard hates me because I?m Jewish and calls me disgusting names such as the ones listed above and I broke down crying and Chris just looked at me with a smug grin on his face and then Chris threw open the door and stormed out when I told him how bad I felt about the appalling remarks that Richard said. Chris did not come back for the rest of the termination process. Chris didn?t act surprised or even care about what other employees called me, probably because he felt the same way and didn?t say- I?ll talk to Richard, or how could someone say that about you- that?s terrible, Chris didn?t? have any kind of thoughtful reaction. He simply didn?t care, didn?t want to help me or be sympathetic to the harassment that I endured during my employment. Chris left me with the level three, Kelly who said you have to leave, Chris isn?t going to change his mind, you can?t do anything and I can?t make this any easier on you. I just said I wanted to know why my performance was never brought to my attention, until the day of my termination with no way to become an even better employee, the 90 day learning period says that I would be given opportunities to have my shortcomings brought to my attention so that I can work on them and if I did not learn my duties after 90 days that I would be terminated.
There is no way that I could have learned every aspect of my job, and all the departments in the short time that I worked there (less than one month). Kelly said that Chris is pissed off and he doesn?t want to deal with this anymore. I should have been helped along the way, and told how I did daily because I didn?t think, and still don?t think, that I am doing a bad job . That day there happened to be four new trainees, all African American, and I the hard working ?Jewish bagel boy? getting terminated Chris holds terrible racial bias. Since the day I said I was Jewish to the staff members, Chris, every day from then on, gave me nasty looks and walked past me when I gave him a greeting. From the hand shakes and thank you?s that he gave me the first two weeks of my employment. The change started almost immediately when he found out I?m Jewish.
During the first day on the job he asked me where I?m from, I knew this might be a problem, so I told him that I am Greek. Other factors led to his hatred for me such as the time when a customer returned a used digital camera, and Chris told me to put it away and sell it as new since it was nicely packaged from the return. I said that it is not fair to sell a used returned camera as new if it looks new, it?s deceiving and unfair to customers looking for a new factory packaged camera. Chris said ?Mind your own business and do as I tell you?. Chris wanted to kill me and said ?Don?t tell me what do to do! Get back to work!?. I got scared and backed off. Another time, when a customer (Spanish exporter) came to buy Playstion one in bulk, I didn?t say anything because I didn?t know, but then a Sony representative stopped by and said that if we find out that a Target is selling our consoles in bulk, Sony will cut them off because money isn?t made in selling the hardware, only the software, the hardware is basically given to the customer so they would have something to play their software on, which is where all the money is made. I didn?t say anything to the Sony representative that day because I didn?t want Chris to get into any trouble, I told Chris later that day that the Sony representative told me about selling consoles in bulk is unacceptable and Chris didn?t say anything, he just looked at me with blood shot eyes and walked off.
I also told him on one occasion that the fire escape door in the back room was blocked. Also, when I was trained as a cashier, I was told that if I work at the electronics register, that I would have to check out people that have a couple of items, or items that are behind the glass lockup. On one back to school night, a woman came up to me with a cart full of back to school items, I told her that I can not take you because you have too many items, I encourage you to go to the front lanes. Chris saw this and said ?What?s wrong with you, a sale is a sale, you mistreat our customers- you have to take everyone no matter what!? This is something that I was never taught in training, Chris just wanted to let out his anger on me. And on the final day, I was left with a walkie talkie that worked only in short distances, Chris tried to communicate with me, and I was unable to hear it, so he runs to my dept. and screams, ?You have to a walkie learn to use it and answer when I call you!?. I said that the walkie was not functioning properly. He ignored that.
Chris has got the worst attitude and temper that I have ever seen. What?s worse is that Chris knew about the racist words that were spoken about me and even probably invented them with Richard when they spend all that time together laughing it up in the employee lounge or Target food court talking about the only white Jewish boy that works on Sales floor in the electronics dept. Often times I walk by Chris and other team members and when I pass they start laughing soon after and when I turn around and look at them, they are starring at me and say ?what?s up Danny? when I know they just insulted me behind my back. I was the only new hire who was Jewish as well and if Chris knew that form the beginning, I would have gotten fired a long time ago, and if he conducted my interview, I would probably never gotten the job. I am also the only white Jewish teenage on the sales floor and I guess him seeing how good I am in all aspects of the job, being so young, attending college- something not a lot of other employees there do when I asked them- built on to his hatred, maybe he felt threatened by me, maybe that I might be successful one day and even take over his job duties with time and lots of hard work, something that he doesn?t want to see, so he terminated me, wrongfully. Maybe some Jewish customers gave him a hard time in the past, but I am a unique individual and I don?t deserve this.
Chris is the epitome of an anti-Semite. Chris tolerated those racist words, and he is the biggest racist and bigot the world will ever know. Once Chris found out that I am Jewish any questions, or personality that I showed, any challenge that I made to show my individuality- to show that I want to learn, be earnest and not be a drone Chris started hating me for asking these questions- but the first couple of weeks of work he was glad to answer questions. Now I am heart broken, and feel that Chris went out of line saying that I am ?not getting it? and humiliating me saying lies about me being rude to people when in fact I love people and have faith in them- and people love me. I called Chris later that evening, after my termination, and asked him about the 90 day learning period, and he was speechless, then for the corporate Phone Number and address, Chris gave the number to the merchandising dept. I called back and said this isn?t the correct number and he said ?I ain?t dealing with this sht? and hung up and would not talk with me anymore. I do not know if I will ever feel comfortable again holding a job b/c when I thought I did well and received praise , in Chris? eyes, I?m a ?horrible employee not up to standards? and I do not know if I can ever trust an employer again.
reading this, you sound like a whiney little teenager.
too long of a read, a letter like that will get tossed in the round file.
best thing to do is to write it up, short and to the point. Describe your grievence, give documented dates and times. Quit the "he said/she said" bullsh!t.
too long of a read, a letter like that will get tossed in the round file.
best thing to do is to write it up, short and to the point. Describe your grievence, give documented dates and times. Quit the "he said/she said" bullsh!t.
wow... you drew an awful lot of conclusions out of casual interaction with someone..
This Chris guy sounds like a prick, but to just flat out accuse him of Anti-Semitism, might not put your case in the best light...
This Chris guy sounds like a prick, but to just flat out accuse him of Anti-Semitism, might not put your case in the best light...
MartyMcFly3
Lifer
CasioTech - get a teacher or someone to edit that...I saw quite a few basic punctuation and grammar errors. (I'd edit it but I have class in 15 minutes) Aside from that, go kick some ass.
Thanks for the replies, I was pressed for time because a lot of the sources that I contacted made me give a statement, and it was paragraphed and formatted but it was lost in the paste to atot forum. Hearsay is all I have and often I am asked tell me about these racial incidents, so I guess this is the best I could come up with in the short time I was given.
I was contacted by the regional HR manager. She got my fax and then asked me a few extra details about it- she basically said that she would investigate, but I gues this will go no where because that's the way it is in this world I find it hard to believe anyone winning a racial discrimination case unless they have real solid proof, like a recording or some microcamera that I could have got some of this recorded with. I did end my conversation with the HR by saying "I would swear under oath- or even take a polygraph test- I don't think that they are willing to do the same!" She was startled by that remark, and said "ok i'll note that here". Unless I could find an employee that likes me more than his/her job, I just can't get anywhere.
Thanks for the help and encouragement everybody, i'll keep you updated if anything cool happens.
I was contacted by the regional HR manager. She got my fax and then asked me a few extra details about it- she basically said that she would investigate, but I gues this will go no where because that's the way it is in this world I find it hard to believe anyone winning a racial discrimination case unless they have real solid proof, like a recording or some microcamera that I could have got some of this recorded with. I did end my conversation with the HR by saying "I would swear under oath- or even take a polygraph test- I don't think that they are willing to do the same!" She was startled by that remark, and said "ok i'll note that here". Unless I could find an employee that likes me more than his/her job, I just can't get anywhere.
Thanks for the help and encouragement everybody, i'll keep you updated if anything cool happens.
What's the point of mentioning that those guys were African-American? I would take that out. Besides, I believe the proper term is black anyways.
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