Fight breaks out in the game between the Knicks and Nuggets.

[EvilYoda]

LOL, the things I miss when I'm at a party...doh.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: bobdelt

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: ornament
With each team forced to put five new players on the floor, Denver finished up the win and ended a two-game losing streak. Marcus Camby had 24 points and nine rebounds, and Andre Miller added 12 points and 10 assists for the Nuggets.

Man, sports writers suck. In their effort to not sound redudant, they use the same alternate phrases over and over again - but in this case the wording implies that Miller scored 12 points in a minute and 15 seconds.

not really. A new sentence was started. It this its pretty normal and understandable what he said. Plus, the added was late in the sentence...well after the "had" from marcus camby. Clearly, miller added to what camby did. And the sentence doesnt really read that camby had that many points in that short period.

You've been reading too many articles written by retarded sports writers. This was a separate paragraph at the end of the article that started with a sentence saying each team had to put five new players on the floor, followed by an entirely unrelated sentence. It's horrible writing.

huh...

 

[EKKC]

Originally posted by: shuttleboi

Nate Robinson had the stupidest quote:

"From what they did, keeping their guys on the court, I knew a foul was going to come. It was a good, clean, hard foul, and after that things went down from there," Robinson said. "I've never seen a team up 20 keep their starters in. They wanted to embarrass us, and it was a slap in the face to us as a team and a franchise."

WELL MAYBE IF YOU DIDN'T PLAY LIKE SH!T THE WHOLE GAME, YOU WOULDN'T BE GETTING EMBARASSED LIKE THAT. DIDJA THINK OF THAT?

i think both are at fault. the knicks are not justified to do the flagrant foul on JR Smith (I'm a knick fan by the way and am disappointed they're involved in something like this), but, there is also some truth to what he and Isiah said, you do not leave your starters in when you're up by 20 and there's one minute left in the game. you see any sane coach, would pull out their superstars to avoid injury. Phil Jackson would pull Kobe, Riley would Wade and Shaq, Avery would pull Nowitski, Brown would pull LBJ, D'antoni pulls Nash, Mario and Amare, even <ahem> Thomas pulled Marbury and Curry in the rare Atlanta blowout.

Obviously Karl and the nuggets were trying to embarass the knicks and Thomas, they took the risk, and no you cannot justify the brawl nor the flagrant foul by Collins, but both sides are at fault.

I feel bad for people like Camby, Jeffries, Lee, Frye, Najera who were trying to break up the fight and ended up ejected. but they probably won't get suspended. (maybe except Jeffries, after Melo clocked Collins Jared Jeffries looked like he wanted to kill Melo)

 

[FallenHero]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: TheSlamma
How come when this happens in hockey it's brushed off like nothing but in the NBA it's a massive deal?

one of my favorite NHL fights, Roy Vs. Vernon.

You can't beat the fight(s) that set a seemingly impossible record for penalty minutes and singlehandedly changed the rules of hockey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPafCIOw2Q4

What was the total penalty time for that game and what rules were changed because of it? I don't follow hockey at all, but it would be interesting to know.

 

[sonoma1993]

it was an ok fight, but not as good as the Palace Brawl though.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: FallenHero

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: TheSlamma
How come when this happens in hockey it's brushed off like nothing but in the NBA it's a massive deal?

one of my favorite NHL fights, Roy Vs. Vernon.

You can't beat the fight(s) that set a seemingly impossible record for penalty minutes and singlehandedly changed the rules of hockey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPafCIOw2Q4

What was the total penalty time for that game and what rules were changed because of it? I don't follow hockey at all, but it would be interesting to know.

Total penalty time was over 400 minutes. Starting a fight in the last 5 minutes of a game now results in a game misconduct (can't play the rest of the game, including overtime/shootout) and a one game suspension. The suspension doubles for each incident, so the third time you start a fight at the end of the game you get a 4 game suspension. The coach also gets fined $10,000, which doubles for each incident.

 

[Patt]

First off, I can't believe that Thomas still has a job. He admits that his team had given up, "surrendered", and attempts to push blame to the other squad for the hard foul. Now, in terms of sportsmanship, leaving your best players in during the tail end of a blowout isn't exactly a shining example, but in no way does it warrant that sort of dirty foul.

Secondly, I read several articles about Anthony backpedaling to midcourt after throwing the punch ... the pussywhip punched and ran away, only turning back around mid-court. I hope he gets the book thrown at him. Indeed, I think that any sort of flagrant foul should be punished not by game ejection, but immediate, harsh suspension. I say this from experience too ... a flagrant foul in a high school game took away the last half of my senior season with a broken arm in two places :|

Thirdly, Nate Robinson showed his little-man syndrome in fine fashion don't you think?

 

[Tom]

19 points with more than a minute to go wasn't that big a lead back in the days when I cared about the NBA. (days of Magic and Bird)


so, are the players of today incapable of making a comeback ?

 

[moshquerade]

thugs :roll:

Carmelo, smooth move.

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: Tom
19 points with more than a minute to go wasn't that big a lead back in the days when I cared about the NBA. (days of Magic and Bird)


so, are the players of today incapable of making a comeback ?

There are players that can. But when you have Isiah Thomas as your coach then there is no chance. I almost feel sorry for Knicks fans, until the point where they condone giving up on a game. Then they just deserve to lose.

Anyone who followes the "Give up" mentality Thomas allows his team to do is sure to FAIL... like the Knicks current record is and will as long as that idiot runs the team.

 

[thesurge]

Why isn't there harsh penalization in hockey for fighting? (is it because they are ub3r 1337thugz?)

 

[thesurge]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: Tom
19 points with more than a minute to go wasn't that big a lead back in the days when I cared about the NBA. (days of Magic and Bird)


so, are the players of today incapable of making a comeback ?

There are players that can. But when you have Isiah Thomas as your coach then there is no chance. I almost feel sorry for Knicks fans, until the point where they condone giving up on a game. Then they just deserve to lose.

Anyone who followes the "Give up" mentality Thomas allows his team to do is sure to FAIL... like the Knicks current record is and will as long as that idiot runs the team.

find me a comeback of 19 points with a little over a minute to go... that's ridiculously amazing.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: thesurge
Why isn't there harsh penalization in hockey for fighting? (is it because they are ub3r 1337thugz?)

No, it's because it's part of the game. It is implicitly allowed due to the fact that the penalty for fighting is more or less inconsequential (matching penalties usually). Hockey is a full-contact sport, but you don't want to see your star players get injured. One way to try to prevent that is to create a consequence for putting a big hit on him - you send your enforcer out to beat the other guy up. In football there are rules to protect the quarterback and kicker - not so in hockey. You can't hit the goalie, but the offensive stars are fair game.

But mainly, I think it's because people want to see it. There's nothing wrong with fighting in hockey just like there is nothing wrong with boxing as a sport. There are unwritten rules - nobody touches the goalie except the other team's goalie (occassionally a goalie will get pissed at a player because of incidental or intentional contact and hit him, but before the other guy even has a chance to react it's broken up). If two guys are in a fight, the other players stay out of it - what you saw in this basketball fight was a melee, everyone hitting everyone. A hockey fight is generally more controlled, and almost only between only one player from each team. Some fights (between enforcers) are even implicitly agreed upon ahead of time. And hockey players don't always fight out of anger. I saw a great fight this year involving Cam Janssen - they pounded each other for a good minute or two before it was broken up, and afterwards both players were smiling and one of them slapped the other on the butt on the way to the penalty box. There are also written rules with serious consequences, and that helps keep the fighting under control. You don't EVER see a player leave the bench to participate in a fight or use a piece of equipment (stick, skate, helmet) as a weapon in hockey, because there are serious consequences. If you had melees in hockey like you see in baseball (and this basketball game and the Pistons/Pacers game), I don't think fighting would be allowed in hockey.

And BTW, it's only allowed in professional hockey.

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: thesurge

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: Tom
19 points with more than a minute to go wasn't that big a lead back in the days when I cared about the NBA. (days of Magic and Bird)


so, are the players of today incapable of making a comeback ?

There are players that can. But when you have Isiah Thomas as your coach then there is no chance. I almost feel sorry for Knicks fans, until the point where they condone giving up on a game. Then they just deserve to lose.

Anyone who followes the "Give up" mentality Thomas allows his team to do is sure to FAIL... like the Knicks current record is and will as long as that idiot runs the team.

find me a comeback of 19 points with a little over a minute to go... that's ridiculously amazing.

not 19 in 90 seconds but 8 in 11 seconds

8 is a big dent in 19 points... 11 seconds is a scrape in 90 seconds.

To say it's not possible is to be just like Thomas and give up. That is why that team is losing in an easy to win division.

 

[thesurge]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: thesurge
Why isn't there harsh penalization in hockey for fighting? (is it because they are ub3r 1337thugz?)

No, it's because it's part of the game. It is implicitly allowed due to the fact that the penalty for fighting is more or less inconsequential (matching penalties usually). Hockey is a full-contact sport, but you don't want to see your star players get injured. One way to try to prevent that is to create a consequence for putting a big hit on him - you send your enforcer out to beat the other guy up. In football there are rules to protect the quarterback and kicker - not so in hockey. You can't hit the goalie, but the offensive stars are fair game.

But mainly, I think it's because people want to see it. There's nothing wrong with fighting in hockey just like there is nothing wrong with boxing as a sport. There are unwritten rules - nobody touches the goalie except the other team's goalie (occassionally a goalie will get pissed at a player because of incidental or intentional contact and hit him, but before the other guy even has a chance to react it's broken up). If two guys are in a fight, the other players stay out of it - what you saw in this basketball fight was a melee, everyone hitting everyone. A hockey fight is generally more controlled, and almost only between only one player from each team. Some fights (between enforcers) are even implicitly agreed upon ahead of time. And hockey players don't always fight out of anger. I saw a great fight this year involving Cam Janssen - they pounded each other for a good minute or two before it was broken up, and afterwards both players were smiling and one of them slapped the other on the butt on the way to the penalty box. There are also written rules with serious consequences, and that helps keep the fighting under control. You don't EVER see a player leave the bench to participate in a fight or use a piece of equipment (stick, skate, helmet) as a weapon in hockey, because there are serious consequences. If you had melees in hockey like you see in baseball (and this basketball game and the Pistons/Pacers game), I don't think fighting would be allowed in hockey.

And BTW, it's only allowed in professional hockey.

Maybe they should implement the same rules of fighting in hockey into basketball. So the players know what's going to happen, and the fighting will be more "controlled".

 

[thesurge]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: thesurge

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: Tom
19 points with more than a minute to go wasn't that big a lead back in the days when I cared about the NBA. (days of Magic and Bird)


so, are the players of today incapable of making a comeback ?

There are players that can. But when you have Isiah Thomas as your coach then there is no chance. I almost feel sorry for Knicks fans, until the point where they condone giving up on a game. Then they just deserve to lose.

Anyone who followes the "Give up" mentality Thomas allows his team to do is sure to FAIL... like the Knicks current record is and will as long as that idiot runs the team.

find me a comeback of 19 points with a little over a minute to go... that's ridiculously amazing.

not 19 in 90 seconds but 8 in 11 seconds

8 is a big dent in 19 points... 11 seconds is a scrape in 90 seconds.

To say it's not possible is to be just like Thomas and give up. That is why that team is losing in an easy to win division.

Yes, I've seen that. But Tom acts like its not a big deal when Magic and Bird played... I highly doubt Magic or Bird led such a comeback in their careers.

 

[thesurge]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: thesurge
Why isn't there harsh penalization in hockey for fighting? (is it because they are ub3r 1337thugz?)

No, it's because it's part of the game. It is implicitly allowed due to the fact that the penalty for fighting is more or less inconsequential (matching penalties usually). Hockey is a full-contact sport, but you don't want to see your star players get injured. One way to try to prevent that is to create a consequence for putting a big hit on him - you send your enforcer out to beat the other guy up. In football there are rules to protect the quarterback and kicker - not so in hockey. You can't hit the goalie, but the offensive stars are fair game.

But mainly, I think it's because people want to see it. There's nothing wrong with fighting in hockey just like there is nothing wrong with boxing as a sport. There are unwritten rules - nobody touches the goalie except the other team's goalie (occassionally a goalie will get pissed at a player because of incidental or intentional contact and hit him, but before the other guy even has a chance to react it's broken up). If two guys are in a fight, the other players stay out of it - what you saw in this basketball fight was a melee, everyone hitting everyone. A hockey fight is generally more controlled, and almost only between only one player from each team. Some fights (between enforcers) are even implicitly agreed upon ahead of time. And hockey players don't always fight out of anger. I saw a great fight this year involving Cam Janssen - they pounded each other for a good minute or two before it was broken up, and afterwards both players were smiling and one of them slapped the other on the butt on the way to the penalty box. There are also written rules with serious consequences, and that helps keep the fighting under control. You don't EVER see a player leave the bench to participate in a fight or use a piece of equipment (stick, skate, helmet) as a weapon in hockey, because there are serious consequences. If you had melees in hockey like you see in baseball (and this basketball game and the Pistons/Pacers game), I don't think fighting would be allowed in hockey.

And BTW, it's only allowed in professional hockey.

Also, why doesn't the opposing coach employ a strategy (in big games only, of course) where you target the opposing "offensive star player" and get one of your crappy players to go in and repeatedly punch that guy in the face until he has to be taken out and your player is suspended. That way, you eliminate the "offensive star player" from the game.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

mardy collins just fouled smith hard. he is not at fault. It most it should be a flagrant 1 or something.

 

[shuttleboi]

Here are some facts I got from another message board:

1. Denver did not have a 20 point lead until really late in the 4th quarter. They were up by only 10 with 9 minutes to go. Denver has had a tough time closing out games (they lost the first 3 games of the season by a total of 6 points). Since they were wrapping up a tough road trip, Karl wanted to close out the game with 4 of the 5 starters just to be sure.

2. At any rate, Karl was ready to substitute in 3 players at the time the flagrant foul occurred. You can see the 3 players in front of the scorers' table.

3. Carmelo was not padding his stats in the 4th quarter. He took 4 shots for a total of 6 points.


What does this mean? It means that Isiah Thomas, the coach and GM of the Knicks, is a little B1tch for telling his rookie Mardy Collins to intentionally foul J.R. Smith. "They were sticking it to us pretty good, really giving it to us. J.R. had one dunk where he reversed and spun in the air, and Mardy didn't want to see that happen again in front of our fans," Thomas said.

What a jerk. Isiah should be suspended for at least 10 games for undermining the sportsmanship of the game. What a POS.

 

[Patt]

It actually smacks of Isiah leading the Pistons off the floor before the Bulls swept them back in the early 90's ... poor sportsmanship that has since been overshadowed by a megawatt smile that has bamboozled people.

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: shuttleboi
Here are some facts I got from another message board:

1. Denver did not have a 20 point lead until really late in the 4th quarter. They were up by only 10 with 9 minutes to go. Denver has had a tough time closing out games (they lost the first 3 games of the season by a total of 6 points). Since they were wrapping up a tough road trip, Karl wanted to close out the game with 4 of the 5 starters just to be sure.

2. At any rate, Karl was ready to substitute in 3 players at the time the flagrant foul occurred. You can see the 3 players in front of the scorers' table.

3. Carmelo was not padding his stats in the 4th quarter. He took 4 shots for a total of 6 points.


What does this mean? It means that Isiah Thomas, the coach and GM of the Knicks, is a little B1tch for telling his rookie Mardy Collins to intentionally foul J.R. Smith. "They were sticking it to us pretty good, really giving it to us. J.R. had one dunk where he reversed and spun in the air, and Mardy didn't want to see that happen again in front of our fans," Thomas said.

What a jerk. Isiah should be suspended for at least 10 games for undermining the sportsmanship of the game. What a POS.

I couldn't agree more with this. Thomas's ability to coach is not even a fraction of his ability to play and that "give up" attitude reflects why that team felt embarressed.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: thesurge
Why isn't there harsh penalization in hockey for fighting? (is it because they are ub3r 1337thugz?)

No, it's because it's part of the game. It is implicitly allowed due to the fact that the penalty for fighting is more or less inconsequential (matching penalties usually). Hockey is a full-contact sport, but you don't want to see your star players get injured. One way to try to prevent that is to create a consequence for putting a big hit on him - you send your enforcer out to beat the other guy up. In football there are rules to protect the quarterback and kicker - not so in hockey. You can't hit the goalie, but the offensive stars are fair game.

But mainly, I think it's because people want to see it. There's nothing wrong with fighting in hockey just like there is nothing wrong with boxing as a sport. There are unwritten rules - nobody touches the goalie except the other team's goalie (occassionally a goalie will get pissed at a player because of incidental or intentional contact and hit him, but before the other guy even has a chance to react it's broken up). If two guys are in a fight, the other players stay out of it - what you saw in this basketball fight was a melee, everyone hitting everyone. A hockey fight is generally more controlled, and almost only between only one player from each team. Some fights (between enforcers) are even implicitly agreed upon ahead of time. And hockey players don't always fight out of anger. I saw a great fight this year involving Cam Janssen - they pounded each other for a good minute or two before it was broken up, and afterwards both players were smiling and one of them slapped the other on the butt on the way to the penalty box. There are also written rules with serious consequences, and that helps keep the fighting under control. You don't EVER see a player leave the bench to participate in a fight or use a piece of equipment (stick, skate, helmet) as a weapon in hockey, because there are serious consequences. If you had melees in hockey like you see in baseball (and this basketball game and the Pistons/Pacers game), I don't think fighting would be allowed in hockey.

And BTW, it's only allowed in professional hockey.

That's why I love hockey sometimes. It's funny how when I started watching I noticed that the refs let the fights to on for a bit before they step in to really break it up. I sitll don't like hockey, but heh, the fights are one interesting aspect =).

Well said though.

 

[TheSlamma]

A better comparison might be that in Baseball when the teams clear the entire dugout and fight Baseball never gets this kind of blackmark and it's a no contact no fight sport also.

The only difference I see there is baseball players don't have the typically "ghetto" background basketball players do. Am I out of line saying that?

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: thesurge

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: thesurge
Why isn't there harsh penalization in hockey for fighting? (is it because they are ub3r 1337thugz?)

No, it's because it's part of the game. It is implicitly allowed due to the fact that the penalty for fighting is more or less inconsequential (matching penalties usually). Hockey is a full-contact sport, but you don't want to see your star players get injured. One way to try to prevent that is to create a consequence for putting a big hit on him - you send your enforcer out to beat the other guy up. In football there are rules to protect the quarterback and kicker - not so in hockey. You can't hit the goalie, but the offensive stars are fair game.

But mainly, I think it's because people want to see it. There's nothing wrong with fighting in hockey just like there is nothing wrong with boxing as a sport. There are unwritten rules - nobody touches the goalie except the other team's goalie (occassionally a goalie will get pissed at a player because of incidental or intentional contact and hit him, but before the other guy even has a chance to react it's broken up). If two guys are in a fight, the other players stay out of it - what you saw in this basketball fight was a melee, everyone hitting everyone. A hockey fight is generally more controlled, and almost only between only one player from each team. Some fights (between enforcers) are even implicitly agreed upon ahead of time. And hockey players don't always fight out of anger. I saw a great fight this year involving Cam Janssen - they pounded each other for a good minute or two before it was broken up, and afterwards both players were smiling and one of them slapped the other on the butt on the way to the penalty box. There are also written rules with serious consequences, and that helps keep the fighting under control. You don't EVER see a player leave the bench to participate in a fight or use a piece of equipment (stick, skate, helmet) as a weapon in hockey, because there are serious consequences. If you had melees in hockey like you see in baseball (and this basketball game and the Pistons/Pacers game), I don't think fighting would be allowed in hockey.

And BTW, it's only allowed in professional hockey.

Maybe they should implement the same rules of fighting in hockey into basketball. So the players know what's going to happen, and the fighting will be more "controlled".

I suppose they could, but Basketball is supposed to be a no-contact sport... there'd be some big differences between a hockey fight and a basketball fight - 1. Hockey players wear a lot of pads. 2. Hockey players have to fight on ice skates. Try that sometime. They have to hold onto each other for balance, then they just have one free hand to trade punches.

Originally posted by: TheSlamma
A better comparison might be that in Baseball when the teams clear the entire dugout and fight Baseball never gets this kind of blackmark and it's a no contact no fight sport also.

The only difference I see there is baseball players don't have the typically "ghetto" background basketball players do. Am I out of line saying that?

I don't think you're out of line, that's a good theory.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: thesurge

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: thesurge

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: Tom
19 points with more than a minute to go wasn't that big a lead back in the days when I cared about the NBA. (days of Magic and Bird)


so, are the players of today incapable of making a comeback ?

There are players that can. But when you have Isiah Thomas as your coach then there is no chance. I almost feel sorry for Knicks fans, until the point where they condone giving up on a game. Then they just deserve to lose.

Anyone who followes the "Give up" mentality Thomas allows his team to do is sure to FAIL... like the Knicks current record is and will as long as that idiot runs the team.

find me a comeback of 19 points with a little over a minute to go... that's ridiculously amazing.

not 19 in 90 seconds but 8 in 11 seconds

8 is a big dent in 19 points... 11 seconds is a scrape in 90 seconds.

To say it's not possible is to be just like Thomas and give up. That is why that team is losing in an easy to win division.

Yes, I've seen that. But Tom acts like its not a big deal when Magic and Bird played... I highly doubt Magic or Bird led such a comeback in their careers.

I didn't say it wouldn't be a big deal to come back, My point is it isn't such a big lead that a team ought to be expected to pull their best players because it's a done deal.

I don't follow the NBA these days, but more than a minute to go in the game I used to watch is an eternity, teams trying to win wouldn't even necessarily start intentionally fouling with that much time to go, I believe.

The goal would be to cut the 19 point lead to 10 by the 30 second mark, then go from there.

Surely you don't think 10 points in 30 seconds is impossible ?