Fight breaks out in the game between the Knicks and Nuggets.

[thesurge]

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: thesurge

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: thesurge

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: Tom
19 points with more than a minute to go wasn't that big a lead back in the days when I cared about the NBA. (days of Magic and Bird)


so, are the players of today incapable of making a comeback ?

There are players that can. But when you have Isiah Thomas as your coach then there is no chance. I almost feel sorry for Knicks fans, until the point where they condone giving up on a game. Then they just deserve to lose.

Anyone who followes the "Give up" mentality Thomas allows his team to do is sure to FAIL... like the Knicks current record is and will as long as that idiot runs the team.

find me a comeback of 19 points with a little over a minute to go... that's ridiculously amazing.

not 19 in 90 seconds but 8 in 11 seconds

8 is a big dent in 19 points... 11 seconds is a scrape in 90 seconds.

To say it's not possible is to be just like Thomas and give up. That is why that team is losing in an easy to win division.

Yes, I've seen that. But Tom acts like its not a big deal when Magic and Bird played... I highly doubt Magic or Bird led such a comeback in their careers.

I didn't say it wouldn't be a big deal to come back, My point is it isn't such a big lead that a team ought to be expected to pull their best players because it's a done deal.

I don't follow the NBA these days, but more than a minute to go in the game I used to watch is an eternity, teams trying to win wouldn't even necessarily start intentionally fouling with that much time to go, I believe.

The goal would be to cut the 19 point lead to 10 by the 30 second mark, then go from there.

Surely you don't think 10 points in 30 seconds is impossible ?

Yes, I believe 10 points in 30 seconds without intentional fouling is very very improbable (not to mention doing it twice).

Team A scores
Team B burns 24 seconds
Team A scores.
Team B ends the game.

Intentional non-flagrant fouling is necessary to stop the clock.

 

[Tom]

I guess you've never heard of stealing the ball ?

 

[thesurge]

Originally posted by: Tom
I guess you've never heard of stealing the ball ?

ok... Find me a few games where one team cut down the lead (in the days of Magic and Bird, of course) of 19 or more points in a minute (oh yeah, without intentional fouling, either).

 

[child of wonder]

Carmela is a dirty pussy. I wish one of the Knicks had gotten a hold of him and ripped his head off.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: thesurge

Originally posted by: Tom
I guess you've never heard of stealing the ball ?

ok... Find me a few games where one team cut down the lead (in the days of Magic and Bird, of course) of 19 or more points in a minute (oh yeah, without intentional fouling, either).

I did not say there wouldn't be intentional fouling for the entire time, just that there wouldn't necessarily be intentional fouling with more than a minute to go.

I never claimed anyone actually overcame this exact scenario, I don't know; what I said was is the players in the era when I watched the game, would not accept the idea that it was impossible.

I don't know that teams these days would accept it either, that's why I put it as a question.

And if a team decides to give up, shouldn't they wave a white flag or cry uncle, in case their opponent doesn't know they give up ?

 

[thesurge]

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: thesurge

Originally posted by: Tom
I guess you've never heard of stealing the ball ?

ok... Find me a few games where one team cut down the lead (in the days of Magic and Bird, of course) of 19 or more points in a minute (oh yeah, without intentional fouling, either).

I did not say there wouldn't be intentional fouling for the entire time, just that there wouldn't necessarily be intentional fouling with more than a minute to go.

I never claimed anyone actually overcame this exact scenario, I don't know; what I said was is the players in the era when I watched the game, would not accept the idea that it was impossible.

I don't know that teams these days would accept it either, that's why I put it as a question.

And if a team decides to give up, shouldn't they wave a white flag or cry uncle, in case their opponent doesn't know they give up ?

Most teams, since the beginning of basketball (yes, this includes the magic-bird era), do "give up" per se in regular season games (if they are down by 19 with a minute to go). They will put in their "scrub" back-up players so they don't have to kick themselves if they injure their star players during the "garbage time". You must have only been watching playoff games (or you don't remember regular season games). You made it sound like teams back then could easily overcome such a deficit and there was no doubt in there mind that they would. It IS "such a big lead that a team ought to be expected to pull their best players because it's a done deal" for an early regular season game.

 

[Tom]

Without being rude, how old are you ? Or maybe you are European ?

I'm not familiar with this concept of giving up in sports..

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: child of wonder
Carmela is a dirty pussy. I wish one of the Knicks had gotten a hold of him and ripped his head off.

Speaking of dirty.

 

[iamme]

http://www.wtfdetroit.com/forums/showpost.php?p=148391&postcount=17

LOL!!

 

[thesurge]

Originally posted by: Tom
Without being rude, how old are you ? Or maybe you are European ?

I'm not familiar with this concept of giving up in sports..

Without being rude, were you lying about remembering basketball games from the magic-bird era? You've seriously never watched a basketball game where bench players are played for extensive amounts of time when down by a considerable amount? c'mon now. (PSA: 19 points with one minute to go is usually one of those circumstances in a regular season game.)

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: thesurge

Originally posted by: Tom
Without being rude, how old are you ? Or maybe you are European ?

I'm not familiar with this concept of giving up in sports..

Without being rude, were you lying about remembering basketball games from the magic-bird era? You've seriously never watched a basketball game where bench players are played for extensive amounts of time when down by a considerable amount? c'mon now. (PSA: 19 points with one minute to go is usually one of those circumstances in a regular season game.)

The Bird-Magic era was towards the end of my interest, which started when Havlicek and Lucas left Ohio State and went to the pros.

 

[raildogg]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8J-I8XFb4vw

A nice video of what happened. This is the Knicks broadcast team.

You can tell that Mardy Collins intentionally tried to throw Smith to the ground and/or to foul him hard. After that, the tempers were high.

The turning point after that was when Carmelo threw the punch at Collins and then Jeffries ran at Carmelo. I thought what Jeffries did was not that out of line - he was not thinking clearly, but he wanted to get Carmelo for that cheap shot.

Not a wise move, Carmelo.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: thesurge

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: thesurge

Originally posted by: Tom
I guess you've never heard of stealing the ball ?

ok... Find me a few games where one team cut down the lead (in the days of Magic and Bird, of course) of 19 or more points in a minute (oh yeah, without intentional fouling, either).

I did not say there wouldn't be intentional fouling for the entire time, just that there wouldn't necessarily be intentional fouling with more than a minute to go.

I never claimed anyone actually overcame this exact scenario, I don't know; what I said was is the players in the era when I watched the game, would not accept the idea that it was impossible.

I don't know that teams these days would accept it either, that's why I put it as a question.

And if a team decides to give up, shouldn't they wave a white flag or cry uncle, in case their opponent doesn't know they give up ?

Most teams, since the beginning of basketball (yes, this includes the magic-bird era), do "give up" per se in regular season games (if they are down by 19 with a minute to go). They will put in their "scrub" back-up players so they don't have to kick themselves if they injure their star players during the "garbage time". You must have only been watching playoff games (or you don't remember regular season games). You made it sound like teams back then could easily overcome such a deficit and there was no doubt in there mind that they would. It IS "such a big lead that a team ought to be expected to pull their best players because it's a done deal" for an early regular season game.

exactly, this ISN'T baseball.

in baseball, a team can overcome seemingly impossible situations in the bottom of the 9th.

in basketball, (as in football) time limitations are such that only so many offensive possessions can happen in so much time.

hence in football, if a team is up by 14 points with 2 minutes to go or less in the game, guess what, they do not throw at the end zone, nope, they take a knee.

do you honestly think football teams attempt to win when they are defending situations like that?

same happens in basketball. 19 points in 60 seconds is basically insurmountable odds.

 

[Phokus]

If i were a knicks fan, i'd be more angry that the knicks suck than i would that they got into a fight... hell, i'd invite people to start punching the players

 

[KLin]

Originally posted by: iamme
http://www.wtfdetroit.com/forums/showpost.php?p=148391&postcount=17

LOL!!

OMG HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA!!! :laugh:

 

[sohcrates]

carmelo has to sit out 15 games now. yikes

unfortunately, the "baller" / "thug" image of the NBA has again proven itself to turn away fans disgusted

 

[Garet Jax]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: thesurge

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: Tom
19 points with more than a minute to go wasn't that big a lead back in the days when I cared about the NBA. (days of Magic and Bird)


so, are the players of today incapable of making a comeback ?

There are players that can. But when you have Isiah Thomas as your coach then there is no chance. I almost feel sorry for Knicks fans, until the point where they condone giving up on a game. Then they just deserve to lose.

Anyone who followes the "Give up" mentality Thomas allows his team to do is sure to FAIL... like the Knicks current record is and will as long as that idiot runs the team.

find me a comeback of 19 points with a little over a minute to go... that's ridiculously amazing.

not 19 in 90 seconds but 8 in 11 seconds

8 is a big dent in 19 points... 11 seconds is a scrape in 90 seconds.

To say it's not possible is to be just like Thomas and give up. That is why that team is losing in an easy to win division.

They are also saying it was the best come back and collapse in the history of the game.

19 Points in 75 seconds is next to impossible.

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: Nick5324
I just saw Isiah Thomas and Nate Robinson post game clips on ESPN. They both answered questions about the fight by saying something about Denver having a big lead late and leaving their star players in, and how this is "wrong". Thomas also said something about JR Smith doing a fancy dunk, and Mardy wasn't going to let him do that in front of the NY fans again.

So, both the coach and Robinson have a problem with Denver leaving their stars in, therefore the hard foul was justified.......... and therefore the fight is not their fault.

Talk about no accountability. Hey NY, it's your job to put a competitive team on the court. It isn't Denver's job to back off once the get a lead. If a team gets a big lead and leaves their stars in, you don't get a free pass to commit flagrant fouls. The fact that the Knicks think they were right to commit a flagrant foul is pathetic.

God atleast ONE other person can see through this VICTIM BULLSH!T too. :thumbsup:

just proves my theory that the NBA is a joke. They spend 90% of every game clocking time until the last few minutes when they start trying. If one team already has a big lead they don't try at all...

 

[Stojakapimp]

HAHAHAHAHA

Read the last couple sentences in the Controvery section. I love Wikipedia!

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: Nick5324
I just saw Isiah Thomas and Nate Robinson post game clips on ESPN. They both answered questions about the fight by saying something about Denver having a big lead late and leaving their star players in, and how this is "wrong". Thomas also said something about JR Smith doing a fancy dunk, and Mardy wasn't going to let him do that in front of the NY fans again.

So, both the coach and Robinson have a problem with Denver leaving their stars in, therefore the hard foul was justified.......... and therefore the fight is not their fault.

Talk about no accountability. Hey NY, it's your job to put a competitive team on the court. It isn't Denver's job to back off once the get a lead. If a team gets a big lead and leaves their stars in, you don't get a free pass to commit flagrant fouls. The fact that the Knicks think they were right to commit a flagrant foul is pathetic.

God atleast ONE other person can see through this VICTIM BULLSH!T too. :thumbsup:

just proves my theory that the NBA is a joke. They spend 90% of every game clocking time until the last few minutes when they start trying. If one team already has a big lead they don't try at all...

if i am forced to pick one of the two, neither of whom i like, i take isiah's side over George Karls. talk about playing the victim card. :roll:

if i were the owner of the nuggets, karl would have some fast talking to do to try and explain why my 30 ppg primary star was STILL on the floor with a 19 point lead and 60 seconds to go.

no way melo should still have been playing AND guess what, if Karl had done the right thing, melo wouldn't be sitting for 15 games.