Fiesta 1.0L 45 mpg hwy

[Ferzerp]

Toyota is showing off the new "Aygo", which also has a 1.0L 4-cylinder engine (68 HP, 70 torque). 57.3 MPG with the stick shift. These one-liters are crazy!!

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/03/04/2014-toyota-aygo-video-geneva-2014/

Yeah, except when you look at it that's actually lower mileage than the fiesta because that's not using EPA test cycle and US gallons....

 

[heymrdj]

Yeah, except when you look at it that's actually lower mileage than the fiesta because that's not using EPA test cycle and US gallons....

Not to mention the Ecoboost 1.0L is 123 horsepower between 1,400 and 4,500 rpm, 148 pound-feet of torque from 1,400 to 4,000 rpm. I believe in the Fiesta version it's 99HP and 121 pound-feet.

 

[Throckmorton]

Apparently this engine has 123 hp... They should build a straight 6 2.0L version with 246hp and put it into a sports car.

How about a 4.0L V12 with 500hp?

 

[yottabit]

That's really awesome that they are finally bringing this over! I was very skeptical the 1.0 turbo would make it here to the US. It has been winning big in Europe including some "Best Engine" awards

45 MPG HWY with 120+ HP and a manual in a Fiesta is sure to be a good time. The big loser here is not hybrids but diesel IMO. This car has diesel-like fuel economy and you get to have the regular gas price savings...

This is the first example that makes the small turbo 4 cyl worth it IMO. Chevy Cruze and Sonic come close but 45 mpg is damn impressive. Especially if that's true to the EPA rating, meaning careful 55 mph driving should put you well over 50+ MPG. Hypermilers will love it. Just hope they didn't overshoot and have to adjust the rating down after threats of lawsuits, as seems to be the trend lately...

 

[LTC8K6]

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2014-ford-fiesta-st-hatchback-first-drive-review

I'd think the ST would be the most fun. And 35 highway would still be nice.

1.0T will probably be kinda' slow, given the 1.6L performance, which couldn't even do 9 seconds to 60.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2014-ford-fiesta-16l-sedan-hatchback-first-drive-review

 

[RU482]

This is the first example that makes the small turbo 4 cyl worth it IMO.

pretty sure that's a 3-cyl 1.0L, not a 4

 

[LTC8K6]

Only the SFE version is rated at 45 hwy, I believe.

$1K extra for a small improvement in fuel economy.

 

[Pulsar]

I disagree, the Fiesta being a subcompact makes its MPG and cost unjustifiable. Knowing the price overlap between the Corolla and Fiesta, I'd much rather have the '14 Corolla Eco than the Fiesta SFE. The Corolla gets better gas mileage, is a midsize car and despite others not liking the look, I actually really like the look of both the exterior and interior.

Problem being, we already know you'd never choose the Fiesta anyway because you hate Ford (domestics).

 

[Ferzerp]

Only the SFE version is rated at 45 hwy, I believe.

$1K extra for a small improvement in fuel economy.

That's the only version with the 3-cyl engine...

 

[tortillasoup]

Problem being, we already know you'd never choose the Fiesta anyway because you hate Ford (domestics).

If the Fiesta was a Honda/Toyota product and we compared it with the Corolla, the Corolla would still win based upon the reasons I pointed out.

 

[heymrdj]

If the Fiesta was a Honda/Toyota product and we compared it with the Corolla, the Corolla would still win based upon the reasons I pointed out.

You mean all the reasons I blatently shot you down on? Cmon I'm still waiting for your piss poor rebuttle. :sneaky:

 

[LTC8K6]

That's the only version with the 3-cyl engine...

It's still seems to be a $1K option for little gain, imo.

Some articles called this an SFE package, but Ford doesn't seem to be calling it that. If it were marketed as SFE, Logically there would also be a non-SFE version.

IIRC this 1.0L is the one with the "lifetime" timing belt that is submerged in the engine oil.

 

[tortillasoup]

You mean all the reasons I blatently shot you down on? Cmon I'm still waiting for your piss poor rebuttle. :sneaky:

I don't have a rebuttal because you're correct that they are not only different classes of vehicles but that the Fiesta is priced like a Yaris rather than a Corolla. I just remember the car being really expensive at one point. With this said, the Yaris has a better (albiet still pathetic) 4 spd automatic transmission while Ford has that awful automated manual transmission. So yes the Fiesta is suppose to get better fuel economy than the Yaris but real world estimates according to fuelly.com puts the Fiesta as the same fuel economy as the Yaris. However with the small price difference between all of the vehicles and the lack of improvement in fuel economy going from a Corolla/Focus to a Yaris/Fiesta, I'd pick the better car.

 

[heymrdj]

It's still seems to be a $1K option for little gain, imo.

Some articles called this an SFE package, but Ford doesn't seem to be calling it that. If it were marketed as SFE, Logically there would also be a non-SFE version.

IIRC this 1.0L is the one with the "lifetime" timing belt that is submerged in the engine oil.

It is technically a package. For SE model Fiestas with manual transmissions you can add the SFE Package, which is the 1.0L, special wheel covers, SFE badging ect. Without the package the car is an SE. Personally I don't care about the mileage, I love how much torque it has down low. If they had the option to just drop in the engine with either transmission (and maybe an ecoboost badge for smexiness) I would have gladly paid 1K for that.

I don't have a rebuttal because you're correct that they are not only different classes of vehicles but that the Fiesta is priced like a Yaris rather than a Corolla. I just remember the car being really expensive at one point. With this said, the Yaris has a better (albiet still pathetic) 4 spd automatic transmission while Ford has that awful automated manual transmission. So yes the Fiesta is suppose to get better fuel economy than the Yaris but real world estimates according to fuelly.com puts the Fiesta as the same fuel economy as the Yaris. However with the small price difference between all of the vehicles and the lack of improvement in fuel economy going from a Corolla/Focus to a Yaris/Fiesta, I'd pick the better car.

So it's all personal opinion? The DCT from Ford has had issues in the past yes, as every manufacturer experimenting with them has. The fact remains that in terms of putting power down while maintaining mpg the fiesta outshines by a long shot. That's not even just on paper, I drive both daily. The Yaris has to rev high for any hill on the highway, the fiesta doesn't work so hard. The automated manual is a much more spirited drive as well, while the yaris is very slushy.

DCT's aren't going anywhere soon. They are more efficient than slushboxes, alot of the issues are user education on how to drive them.

 

[kitatech]

Just a point...MPG highway estimates are based on 60mph max. cruising and an average MPH of less than 50....the EPA's 'high speed' test spends most of the time between 60 and 70mph....with a short burst of 80 and a couple of stop/starts....

Those of us who measure our MPG on the highway drive quite a bit faster average...I myself test a "low" speed average of 65-70 and a high speed average of 75-80, for at least 2 hours...I may have to try a 55-60mph test...(I don't think I can cruise any slower than that here in south Florida on any highway that didn't have stops every few miles...)

see here:
https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/fe_test_schedules.shtml

 

[LTC8K6]

It is technically a package. For SE model Fiestas with manual transmissions you can add the SFE Package, which is the 1.0L, special wheel covers, SFE badging ect. Without the package the car is an SE. Personally I don't care about the mileage, I love how much torque it has down low. If they had the option to just drop in the engine with either transmission (and maybe an ecoboost badge for smexiness) I would have gladly paid 1K for that.

But there is a 1.6L SFE Fiesta listed separately at the Fuel Economy site, so how can the Fiesta SFE package be the 1.0L?

You have:
1.6L 5M 27/31/38
1.6L 6A 29/32/39
1.6L 6A SFE 30/34/41
1.0T 5M SFE 32/37/45
1.6T 6M 26/29/35 ST version

 

[heymrdj]

But there is a 1.6L SFE Fiesta listed separately at the Fuel Economy site, so how can the Fiesta SFE package be the 1.0L?

You have:
1.6L 5M 27/31/38
1.6L 6A 29/32/39
1.6L 6A SFE 30/34/41
1.0T 5M SFE 32/37/45
1.6T 6M 26/29/35 ST version

That's odd they list it that way. The 1.6L is the SEFE package. Its for SE's that are automatics rather than manual. Comes with 15" wheels, LRR tires, special aero wheel covers, 6spd auto, and is 95$.

 

[LTC8K6]

There are two Fiesta SFE packages, one with the 1.6L 6A and one with the 1.0T 5M.

SE Fuel Economy package
SE EcoBoost® Fuel Economy Package

 

[LTC8K6]

SE Fuel Economy Package

The SE Fuel Economy Package gives your Fiesta SE even more efficiency, including best-in-class* highway fuel economy, with an EPA-estimated rating of 30 city/41 hwy/34 combined mpg.** Includes:

15-inch steel wheels with wheel covers
Decklid spoiler (Sedan only - standard on Hatch)
PowerShift six-speed automatic transmission with SelectShift®

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SE EcoBoost® Fuel Economy Package

Meet the new, first-ever Ford three-cylinder EcoBoost engine. Available on the Fiesta SE, this 1.0 liter, turbo-charged, direct-injection powerplant is designed to be fuel-efficient, offering an EPA-estimated 45 mpg highway,* without compromising on power, delivering 123 horsepower and 125 lb.-ft. of torque. Package includes:

1.0L EcoBoost Engine
15" Steel Wheel
Rear Decklid Spoiler (Sedan Only)
EcoBoost Badge
Regenerative Brake System

 

[Ferzerp]

But there is a 1.6L SFE Fiesta listed separately at the Fuel Economy site, so how can the Fiesta SFE package be the 1.0L?

You have:
1.6L 5M 27/31/38
1.6L 6A 29/32/39
1.6L 6A SFE 30/34/41
1.0T 5M SFE 32/37/45
1.6T 6M 26/29/35 ST version

Go to ford's website, start configuring an SE, manual, and see what the option to change from the 1.6L to the 1.0L is. It's the SFE package.

 

[LTC8K6]

The 1.0T is rated at 125 pound feet at 2500rpm. So, not that low.

 

[LTC8K6]

Go to ford's website, start configuring an SE, manual, and see what the option to change from the 1.6L to the 1.0L is. It's the SFE package.

I just cut and pasted from the Ford site...

 

[heymrdj]

The 1.0T is rated at 125 pound feet at 2500rpm. So, not that low.

Compared to 120ft.lb @ 4250-4500RPM for the 1.6L NA, that's a pretty good pick up in stop and go traffic. The only vehicles I know that don't wind u to at least 2500RPM to get going are trucks ect with V8's or diesel cars.

 

[heymrdj]

I just cut and pasted from the Ford site...

Yeah you got it right, I didn't realize how confusing Ford made it.

 

[LTC8K6]

Compared to 120ft.lb @ 4250-4500RPM for the 1.6L NA, that's a pretty good pick up in stop and go traffic. The only vehicles I know that don't wind u to at least 2500RPM to get going are trucks ect with V8's or diesel cars.

It's only 112 for the 1.6L NA at 5K revs...it's certainly better, but I expect turbos to have their torque available earlier than 2500 revs these days.

http://www.ford.com/cars/fiesta/specifications/engine/