Fiesta 1.0L 45 mpg hwy

[heymrdj]

It's only 112 for the 1.6L NA at 5K revs...it's certainly better, but I expect turbos to have their torque available earlier than 2500 revs these days.

http://www.ford.com/cars/fiesta/specifications/engine/

Hmm wiki is a lot different. I had seen that engine chart before but couldn't remember the figures. Either way it shows how much better the 1.0 is.

 

[LTC8K6]

Looks like in Europe, the 1.0T has an overboost feature which gives you 148 pound feet for up to 30 seconds, and it makes 126 pound feet at 1400 revs.

Here it doles out a constant 126lb ft from 1400rpm to 4500rpm, with an extra 22lb ft available on overboost for bursts of up to 30 seconds to shorten overtaking times.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review...t-drive-review-ford-fiesta-ecoboost-10t-125ps

 

[Ferzerp]

Yeah, but it sounded like you were saying that the SFE package was *in addition* to the 1L engine, when in fact it is the option that *adds* the 1L engine.

 

[LTC8K6]

Yeah, but it sounded like you were saying that the SFE package was *in addition* to the 1L engine, when in fact it is the option that *adds* the 1L engine.

Just to be clear:

The regular SFE package is for the 1.6L 6A. It doesn't get you the 1.0T.

Only the Ecoboost SFE package gets you the 1.0T.

 

[Ferzerp]

Just to be clear:

The regular SFE package is for the 1.6L 6A. It doesn't get you the 1.0T.

Only the Ecoboost SFE package gets you the 1.0T.

But for a manual transmission, there is no such thing as "regular SFE". That's the only option on a manual.

 

[LTC8K6]

But for a manual transmission, there is no such thing as "regular SFE". That's the only option on a manual.

It's not my fault that Ford uses different names for the package such as:

1.0L Manual EcoBoost® Package 32 city/ 45 hwy/ 37 combined

or

SE EcoBoost® Fuel Economy Package

And that they also have a 1.6L SFE package.

 

[Pulsar]

SE Fuel Economy Package

The SE Fuel Economy Package gives your Fiesta SE even more efficiency, including best-in-class* highway fuel economy, with an EPA-estimated rating of 30 city/41 hwy/34 combined mpg.** Includes:

15-inch steel wheels with wheel covers
Decklid spoiler (Sedan only - standard on Hatch)
PowerShift six-speed automatic transmission with SelectShift®

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SE EcoBoost® Fuel Economy Package

Meet the new, first-ever Ford three-cylinder EcoBoost engine. Available on the Fiesta SE, this 1.0 liter, turbo-charged, direct-injection powerplant is designed to be fuel-efficient, offering an EPA-estimated 45 mpg highway,* without compromising on power, delivering 123 horsepower and 125 lb.-ft. of torque. Package includes:

1.0L EcoBoost Engine
15" Steel Wheel
Rear Decklid Spoiler (Sedan Only)
EcoBoost Badge
Regenerative Brake System

I'm at a loss. What does a regenerative brake system do for you when your powerplant is an ICE?

 

[heymrdj]

I'm at a loss. What does a regenerative brake system do for you when your powerplant is an ICE?

The fiesta fanatics forum I'm part of had a good paragraph on it:

Ford Europe has been using the regenerative braking system on their vehicles since 2008. Originally used only on the turbo diesel engine vehicles. Now offered on most of the line up equipped with the EcoBoost engines.

Ford’s Smart Regenerative Charging system (SRC) works by increasing alternator output when the vehicle brakes or decelerates. This “free” electric current recharges the battery so that it can be used by the car’s electrical systems at a later time.

Ford engineer Kelvin Howard explains: “SRC aims to maximise battery charging during
vehicle deceleration or when the driver comes off the accelerator. This enables a small
additional amount of vehicle kinetic energy to be converted into electrical energy and
stored in the battery rather than being dissipated at the brakes.

“During conditions of relatively low engine efficiency, for example acceleration, the SRC
system then discharges the stored energy out of the battery, reducing the torque load on the
engine caused by the alternator. Fuel savings of between 1 and 1.4 per cent are realistic.”

SRC is simple to install and consists of a battery monitoring sensor which sits on the
battery negative terminal and measures battery current, voltage and temperature. This
sensor communicates with software in the vehicle’s body control module which aims to
keep the battery at a target optimal state of charge.

“By maintaining this optimal state of charge, the battery can accept higher charge currents
during deceleration,” adds Howard. “The aim is to make the system invisible to the driver.
We have minimised the effect of varying voltage levels on the electrical system by reducing
the rate of change of the SRC voltage when, for example, the wipers, blower fans and
headlights are active.
http://technology.fordmedia.eu/docum...veCharging.pdf

 

[heymrdj]

Looks like in Europe, the 1.0T has an overboost feature which gives you 148 pound feet for up to 30 seconds, and it makes 126 pound feet at 1400 revs.



http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review...t-drive-review-ford-fiesta-ecoboost-10t-125ps

Indeed, same feature in the 1.6L Eco in the Fiesta ST and 2.0L in the Focus ST. Now if the F-150 eco had it.... :sneaky:

 

[PhoKingGuy]

I'm at a loss. What does a regenerative brake system do for you when your powerplant is an ICE?

Isn't this what BMW Efficient Dynamics is?

 

[tortillasoup]

So it's all personal opinion? The DCT from Ford has had issues in the past yes, as every manufacturer experimenting with them has. The fact remains that in terms of putting power down while maintaining mpg the fiesta outshines by a long shot. That's not even just on paper, I drive both daily. The Yaris has to rev high for any hill on the highway, the fiesta doesn't work so hard. The automated manual is a much more spirited drive as well, while the yaris is very slushy.

DCT's aren't going anywhere soon. They are more efficient than slushboxes, alot of the issues are user education on how to drive them.

I agree DCT should be a better solution but it appears Ford doesn't know what the fuck they're doing otherwise there wouldn't be so many problems with their transmissions. My neighbor owns one of these vehicles which he bought out of obligation since he is from Dearborn Michigan and he is none too pleased with the vehicle's shift quality. Obviously having more gears in the Fiesta makes the car more lively and less annoying compared with the Yaris but that's with any vehicle really. The Yaris is a disappointment for sure but I wouldn't buy a Fiesta due to the transmission issues and because I think it's a poor value compared to something like a Corolla/Focus. I also don't buy new vehicles anyhow so I'm already pretty biased in that regard.

 

[heymrdj]

I agree DCT should be a better solution but it appears Ford doesn't know what the fuck they're doing otherwise there wouldn't be so many problems with their transmissions. My neighbor owns one of these vehicles which he bought out of obligation since he is from Dearborn Michigan and he is none too pleased with the vehicle's shift quality. Obviously having more gears in the Fiesta makes the car more lively and less annoying compared with the Yaris but that's with any vehicle really. The Yaris is a disappointment for sure but I wouldn't buy a Fiesta due to the transmission issues and because I think it's a poor value compared to something like a Corolla/Focus. I also don't buy new vehicles anyhow so I'm already pretty biased in that regard.

Welcome to the current gen of new vehicles. Technology is progressing faster than the bugs are getting ironed out. But this year is stable, as was the previous. There will always be issues with new tech, however. There's not a whole bunch different between Ford and any other company right now.

11-12 Fiesta and Focus (dct 6 speed)
14 Cherokee (9 speed)
2014 Mercedes E350
2014 BMW X3
13-14 Ram 1500 (8HP70)
12-13 F-150 (a very old venerable 6 speed but mated to some drive line issues)

Those are just off the top of my head.

 

[tortillasoup]

But isn't DCT with the dry clutches kinda old (last 10 years) technology? I don't understand how Ford could so royally screw that up if it's been implemented properly in other vehicles.

 

[heymrdj]

But isn't DCT with the dry clutches kinda old (last 10 years) technology? I don't understand how Ford could so royally screw that up if it's been implemented properly in other vehicles.

Because automating what people do with their foot (actuating a clutch) and doing that x2 is apparently a big deal. Just as VW and BMW how fun their DCT's were to get going. But the tech is maturing. We even have some class 6/7 trucks getting them now (not dual clutch, but automated manual).

 

[LTC8K6]

GM and Ford worked on the 6 speed auto together and they are working on a 10 speed auto together now.

 

[Kaido]

2014 EcoBoost 1L quick spin:

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/05/09/2014-ford-fiesta-ecoboost-review-quick-spin/

The new ST is pretty interesting as well - 197HP:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT_oPkG9ocs