Fidel Castro dead at 90

[agent00f]

Ok, well life is tough in Cuba, I've seen it first hand. I watched a Cuban woman get her purse snatched in the "maqina" (shared taxi) ahead of us and the cop was just sitting there with his arms crossed not doing a thing. The ex's grandmother got cancer and they wouldn't treat her, all they did was gave her pills, she died a few days after we left the last time I was there. She was hilarious. She used to sell coffee to walker by's for a few pennies (coffee was one of the rations every Cuban got). She'd let me know about everybody who came by with just a look no words necessary. What a lady.

The cops are as corrupt as can be. They would randomly flag down private cabs to get a taste of the profits. I know a Cuban guy who has been here in Michigan for a year that god pulled over for driving drunk. He told me you'd just pay the cop off if it happened in Havana.

Cuba is a relative paradise compared to the places whose inhabitants can be readily killed for the sake of american white welfare.

 

[Abwx]

The cops are as corrupt as can be. They would randomly flag down private cabs to get a taste of the profits. I know a Cuban guy who has been here in Michigan for a year that got pulled over for driving drunk. He told me you'd just pay the cop off if it happened in Havana.

Cops routinely kill people in the US, preferably black folks, i guess that doesnt count as being corrupted or as gratuitous repression if not plain racism..

Besides dont come to think that the US police is not corrupted, it just that the rules being different the corruption will be adapted accordingly...

As to poverty you should well question yourself, it s mainly due to the US embargo because the US was fearfull that they would be successfull economicaly and be the cause of a chain reaction in the americas..

I did point the Helms Burton illegal laws in respect of UNO and international treaties, to summarize any firm foreign to the US that do exports or imports from Cuba will be negated access to the US market, so a french or german firm couldnt even export cars there, i guess that you have noticed that their cars are mainly old US models from the 50s...

Anyway so much for being concerned by their standard of life while it s your country that force them to be so, wich surely didnt stop you from casting your vote for the criminal GOP, yet another hint that you are quite an hypocrite or a sheer ignorant but undoubtly that you lack the most elementary humanity, it must be what best define a conservative as said above, that is, to deny to others rights that he feel he is entitled for..

 

[buckshot24]

Cops routinely kill people in the US, preferably black folks, i guess that doesnt count as being corrupted or as gratuitous repression if not plain racism..

Besides dont come to think that the US police is not corrupted, it just that the rules being different the corruption will be adapted accordingly...

As to poverty you should well question yourself, it s mainly due to the US embargo because the US was fearfull that they would be successfull economicaly and be the cause of a chain reaction in the americas..

I did point the Helms Burton illegal laws in respect of UNO and international treaties, to summarize any firm foreign to the US that do exports or imports from Cuba will be negated access to the US market, so a french or german firm couldnt even export cars there, i guess that you have noticed that their cars are mainly old US models from the 50s...

Anyway so much for being concerned by their standard of life while it s your country that force them to be so, wich surely didnt stop you from casting your vote for the criminal GOP, yet another hint that you are quite an hypocrite or a sheer ignorant but undoubtly that you lack the most elementary humanity, it must be what best define a conservative as said above, that is, to deny to others rights that he feel he is entitled for..

Ok, my bad for trying to express some humanity with you. You're too far gone.

 

[brycejones]

The cops are as corrupt as can be. They would randomly flag down private cabs to get a taste of the profits. I know a Cuban guy who has been here in Michigan for a year that got pulled over for driving drunk. He told me you'd just pay the cop off if it happened in Havana.

Honestly this is probably more about them doing what they need to do to get by and it certainly isn't limited to Cuba. Replace Cuba with India and the story is basically the same. Easy payoffs to look the other way. I haven't been to Cuba, but have witnessed the same behavior in India.

 

[buckshot24]

Honestly this is probably more about them doing what they need to do to get by and it certainly isn't limited to Cuba. Replace Cuba with India and the story is basically the same. Easy payoffs to look the other way. I haven't been to Cuba, but have witnessed the same behavior in India.

Certainly. It isn't as if Cuba has more bad people just that there is more incentive to bend some rules in order to get a head a little. Everybody has a little scam going down there because wages are so low for "real jobs". Some people get cash from out of the country too. We're talking $30 a month for a lawyer or doctor. This was a while ago so it could have gone up a bit.

 

[Zaap]

You just put a lot of effort into frothing about what you mistakenly believe about Libruhls.

I can't recall when you've done much of anything else.

If I had to pick a poster-child to illustrate the intolerant, boneheaded, totalitarian-minded, hypocrite liberal, you'd be a pretty good candidate. Up there with agentdoof and a few other choice boneheads around here.

 

[agent00f]

If I had to pick a poster-child to illustrate the intolerant, boneheaded, totalitarian-minded, hypocrite liberal, you'd be a pretty good candidate. Up there with agentdoof and a few other choice boneheads around here.

Drooling word salad is why american conservatism is known for lack of discernible intellect. It's really a shame these people get subsidized by liberals instead of the cubans.

 

[highland145]

Cops routinely kill people in the US, preferably black folks, i guess that doesnt count as being corrupted or as gratuitous repression if not plain racism..

Links and a comparison to, let's say, Chicago killings. And the Harvard study says cops were more likely to shoot a white suspect. Think I'll trust them before you.

 

[Ackmed]

Have you seen what the other world leaders have said about him? Fidel always inspired a kind of loyalty and fondness from many Cuban people, even among many of those who wanted change, that should not be ignored just to have the empty satisfaction of kicking a dead guy in the teeth to the detriment of our interests. We have done and said a lot better by a hell of a lot worse people in that regard.

Yes I have, I am also not a citizen of the other countries. Playing the PC card is not what I want my President to do. If he couldn't be honest about it, should have just not said anything. Castro committed terrible acts against his own people. Acts against all sorts of people, yet it seems most of the left adores him. Jill Stein who campaigned with Clinton? "Fidel Castro was a symbol of the struggle for justice in the shadow of empire. Presente!" Ummm, I can show evidence of dozens of times when he was absolutely not that. Unless people consider putting gays into concentration camps is ok? In cold blood murdering people who disagree with him? Actually being the person to pull the trigger? Yeah, sounds like a great leader. Yet here we are with leaders of countries and politicians praising him. Athletes kneeling for the American National Anthem because of the alleged oppression of minorities with a Castro shirt on. Then defending it afterwards. It really doesn't get any more idiotic than that.

As I said, didn't have to say anything at all. Castro was a monster, the earth is a better place without him.

Cops routinely kill people in the US, preferably black folks, i guess that doesnt count as being corrupted or as gratuitous repression if not plain racism..

Besides dont come to think that the US police is not corrupted, it just that the rules being different the corruption will be adapted accordingly...

Facts disagree with you btw. Routinely just killing black folks? You mean the vast majority of the time they are criminals doing criminal acts? Other races are also killed you know. But hey, just spit up with the media forces you to swallow huh. Trying to compare the police in America to Cuba is hilarious, and shows you are pretty clueless.

 

[agent00f]

Yes I have, I am also not a citizen of the other countries. Playing the PC card is not what I want my President to do. If he couldn't be honest about it, should have just not said anything. Castro committed terrible acts against his own people. Acts against all sorts of people, yet it seems most of the left adores him. Jill Stein who campaigned with Clinton? "Fidel Castro was a symbol of the struggle for justice in the shadow of empire. Presente!" Ummm, I can show evidence of dozens of times when he was absolutely not that. Unless people consider putting gays into concentration camps is ok? In cold blood murdering people who disagree with him? Actually being the person to pull the trigger? Yeah, sounds like a great leader. Yet here we are with leaders of countries and politicians praising him. Athletes kneeling for the American National Anthem because of the alleged oppression of minorities with a Castro shirt on. Then defending it afterwards. It really doesn't get any more idiotic than that.

As I said, didn't have to say anything at all. Castro was a monster, the earth is a better place without him.



Facts disagree with you btw. Routinely just killing black folks? You mean the vast majority of the time they are criminals doing criminal acts? Other races are also killed you know. But hey, just spit up with the media forces you to swallow huh. Trying to compare the police in America to Cuba is hilarious, and shows you are pretty clueless.

I recall you're literally part of the system responsible for deaths of hundreds of thousands iraqis over not that many years among other atrocities. Funny when people like that try to pretend they're better than someone who actually did quite a bit for the poor of his country.

 

[K1052]

Yes I have, I am also not a citizen of the other countries. Playing the PC card is not what I want my President to do. If he couldn't be honest about it, should have just not said anything. Castro committed terrible acts against his own people. Acts against all sorts of people, yet it seems most of the left adores him. Jill Stein who campaigned with Clinton? "Fidel Castro was a symbol of the struggle for justice in the shadow of empire. Presente!" Ummm, I can show evidence of dozens of times when he was absolutely not that. Unless people consider putting gays into concentration camps is ok? In cold blood murdering people who disagree with him? Actually being the person to pull the trigger? Yeah, sounds like a great leader. Yet here we are with leaders of countries and politicians praising him. Athletes kneeling for the American National Anthem because of the alleged oppression of minorities with a Castro shirt on. Then defending it afterwards. It really doesn't get any more idiotic than that.

As I said, didn't have to say anything at all. Castro was a monster, the earth is a better place without him.

Obama didn't praise Castro at all or offer any regret that he is dead . The worst thing you can say about his statement is that he offered his condolences to the Castro family. It almost entirely centered on moving the US-Cuban relationship forward.

Being diplomatic is not "playing the PC card" it's being diplomatic. Like it or not Castro was a personal and political force that had significant influence on the course of events in the western hemisphere. Many central and south American nations don't entirely share our very poor opinion of him for a lot of reasons. If being "PC" means not alienating a big chunk of Latin America for no discernible upside to our interests then put me down for that. The US has this weird fixation on how unfair the Cuban government is and how badly it treats it's people yet seem content to turn a blind eye to the multitude of nations we deal with more evenly despite doing everything Castro did and often much worse.

Personally I never liked him at all and the world is probably a better place now that he's dead.

 

[Jhhnn]

If I had to pick a poster-child to illustrate the intolerant, boneheaded, totalitarian-minded, hypocrite liberal, you'd be a pretty good candidate. Up there with agentdoof and a few other choice boneheads around here.

The inevitable double down into frothy delirium.

 

[Zaap]

The inevitable double down into frothy delirium.

Didn't expect anything else of you.

Jill Stein who campaigned with Clinton? "Fidel Castro was a symbol of the struggle for justice in the shadow of empire. Presente!" Ummm, I can show evidence of dozens of times when he was absolutely not that. Unless people consider putting gays into concentration camps is ok? In cold blood murdering people who disagree with him? Actually being the person to pull the trigger? Yeah, sounds like a great leader. Yet here we are with leaders of countries and politicians praising him. Athletes kneeling for the American National Anthem because of the alleged oppression of minorities with a Castro shirt on. Then defending it afterwards. It really doesn't get any more idiotic than that.

It is amazing, isn't it?

The same person will pretend some harmless Republican who's never actually killed anyone or even been in a position to do any real harm to anyone is "Hitler!" simply for disagreeing with them... but then turn around and heap praise on an actual, no shit, real life, murdering tyrant thug.On the left, it's so commonplace it's acceptable. Her 'Presente!' is literally her right arm up in salute to a communist tyrant... but on the left, that's not only accepted, it's expected. So much so, this is from a presidential candidate.

 

[Commodus]

The same person will pretend some harmless Republican who's never actually killed anyone or even been in a position to do any real harm to anyone is "Hitler!" simply for disagreeing with them... but then turn around and heap praise on an actual, no shit, real life, murdering tyrant thug.On the left, it's so commonplace it's acceptable. Her 'Presente!' is literally her right arm up in salute to a communist tyrant... but on the left, that's not only accepted, it's expected. So much so, this is from a presidential candidate.

There's a certain irony to going on a diatribe like this the same day that Trump threatened to both make flag burning illegal (which is unconstitutional) and punish culprits by revoking their citizenship (which would also be unconstitutional).

Not that most people had any doubt, but: if you support Trump after this, you are not liberal.

 

[Zaap]

There's a certain irony to going on a diatribe like this the same day that Trump threatened to both make flag burning illegal (which is unconstitutional) and punish culprits by revoking their citizenship (which would also be unconstitutional).

Not that most people had any doubt, but: if you support Trump after this, you are not liberal.

So Jill Stein isn't a liberal? You keep continuing to make my point you don't know *anything* about the nature of your own side, and your definition of 'liberal' doesn't reflect reality. Liberals side with people far worse than Donald Trump, so what would supporting him mean?

 

[Commodus]

So Jill Stein isn't a liberal? You keep continuing to make my point you don't know *anything* about the nature of your own side, and your definition of 'liberal' doesn't reflect reality. Liberals side with people far worse than Donald Trump, so what would supporting him mean?

Trump is against free speech. Advocacy for free speech is a fundamental, unquestionable core of being liberal. If you support Trump knowing his stance, therefore, you are not liberal.

And given that Jill Stein's publicly stated policies are in favor of protecting constitutional rights (including free speech), she's certainly more liberal than Trump is.

 

[Zaap]

Trump is against free speech. Advocacy for free speech is a fundamental, unquestionable core of being liberal. If you support Trump knowing his stance, therefore, you are not liberal.

And given that Jill Stein's publicly stated policies are in favor of protecting constitutional rights (including free speech), she's certainly more liberal than Trump is.

LOL! Point illustrated perfectly!
Stein gets a pass on supporting an actual tyrant... while you deflect with Trump in a thread about Castro!

This kind of shit is how you leftists sweep the uncomfortable truths about your own under the rug isn't it? So obvious, but you actually think it works.

Someone points out what an *ACTUAL* thug someone like Castro is and shows how mainstream liberals heap praise on them...

Liberal counter so they don't have to open their eyes to the STENCH of hypocrisy: bring up inane bullshit about America, and just close eyes and spout "BUT TRUMP! BUT TRUMP!"

Thanks for a perfect illustration.

 

[Jhhnn]

LOL! Point illustrated perfectly!
Stein gets a pass on supporting an actual tyrant... while you deflect with Trump in a thread about Castro!

This kind of shit is how you leftists sweep the uncomfortable truths about your own under the rug isn't it? So obvious, but you actually think it works.

Someone points out what an *ACTUAL* thug someone like Castro is and shows how mainstream liberals heap praise on them...

Liberal counter so they don't have to open their eyes to the STENCH of hypocrisy: bring up inane bullshit about America, and just close eyes and spout "BUT TRUMP! BUT TRUMP!"

Thanks for a perfect illustration.

It was a thread about Castro until you made it about Libruhls, so you can wipe the froth away from around you mouth any time you want.

 

[Commodus]

LOL! Point illustrated perfectly!
Stein gets a pass on supporting an actual tyrant... while you deflect with Trump in a thread about Castro!

This kind of shit is how you leftists sweep the uncomfortable truths about your own under the rug isn't it? So obvious, but you actually think it works.

Someone points out what an *ACTUAL* thug someone like Castro is and shows how mainstream liberals heap praise on them...

Liberal counter so they don't have to open their eyes to the STENCH of hypocrisy: bring up inane bullshit about America, and just close eyes and spout "BUT TRUMP! BUT TRUMP!"

Thanks for a perfect illustration.

Holy crap, calm down. You're not exactly helping your case by foaming at the mouth... and putting words in my mouth.

Stein is problematic, but she's still more liberal than Trump is. And yes, it sucks when any self-professed liberal heaps praise on Castro. He wasn't really liberal at all. But I would rather have someone who mistakenly praises Castro and promotes real free speech at home than someone who condemns Castro but wants to implement the man's no-dissidence-allowed policies in the US... you know, like Trump.

 

[Zaap]

Haha!

So Stein "mistakingly" supports a brutal tyrant who made sure there was no such thing as free speech for Cubans for nearly 60 years... b-but Trump!

You liberals have no high horse to judge Trump by. Your ilk supports people orders of magnitude worse. You even knowledge that it's fucked up... but then still turn around and make excuses for it.
I'm no Trump supporter. Lots of us didn't vote for either turd. But you'll clearly support someone who praises tyrants so long as they're leftists. Not to worry though... as I said, that's typical and even mainstream on the left. Leftists just never own up to it, make excuses for it, and think they have a high horse to judge the right from.

 

[Commodus]

Haha!

So Stein "mistakingly" supports a brutal tyrant who made sure there was no such thing as free speech for Cubans for nearly 60 years... b-but Trump!

You liberals have no high horse to judge Trump by. Your ilk supports people orders of magnitude worse. You even knowledge that it's fucked up... but then still turn around and make excuses for it.
I'm no Trump supporter. Lots of us didn't vote for either turd. But you'll clearly support someone who praises tyrants so long as they're leftists. Not to worry though... as I said, that's typical and even mainstream on the left. Leftists just never own up to it, make excuses for it, and think they have a high horse to judge the right from.

I didn't and wouldn't vote for Stein. And it's not excuses. I'm saying that if I were faced with an imperfect situation, it would come down to choosing the person who will implement liberal policy in practice, not just pay it lip service. Hey, it's great that Trump condemned Castro's oppression. But you know what's better? Not threatening to expand libel laws, cut off press access or revoke the citizenship of flag burners.

 

[Abwx]

Ok, my bad for trying to express some humanity with you. You're too far gone.

What humanity are you talking about, the humanity that consist to re elect Bush after he killed hundreds thousands in an illegal war..?.

Because that s your deed when it comes to reality, that you have no respect for the very principles you re hypocritically using as a cover to justify your supremacism.

You voted for him after it was established that he had made those killings, as such dont consider yourself as part of humanity since you supported murders on a scale that is orders of magnitude of what could had happened in Cuba FI, that s what can be truly called too far gone, yet you are begging humanity from people like me who do not compromise with humanitarian principles, as such i have the moral ground, that it please you or not, because i rely on facts not on self entitlement and magnification.

 

[buckshot24]

What humanity are you talking about, the humanity that consist to re elect Bush after he killed hundreds thousands in an illegal war..?.

Because that s your deed when it comes to reality, that you have no respect for the very principles you re hypocritically using as a cover to justify your supremacism.

You voted for him after it was established that he had made those killings, as such dont consider yourself as part of humanity since you supported murders on a scale that is orders of magnitude of what could had happened in Cuba FI, that s what can be truly called too far gone, yet you are begging humanity from people like me who do not compromise with humanitarian principles, as such i have the moral ground, that it please you or not, because i rely on facts not on self entitlement and magnification.

Go take your meds.

 

[Abwx]

Haha!

So Stein "mistakingly" supports a brutal tyrant who made sure there was no such thing as free speech for Cubans for nearly 60 years... b-but Trump!

Electoral process was suppressed by Battista with the support of the US, yet it should be Castro that should had reinstated them...??

That he didnt so can be indeed criticised but you are the lasts one that could have this criticism right, rather you should just shut your big hypocrit mouth, and of course you are also among those who re lected Bush, a bloodthirsty tyrant but i guess that for you anyone who is not a (white) USan is not an human, really, you conservatives are the case study of baselessness and hypocrisy.

Go take your meds.

Lol, totaly desesperate post, as is deseperate the racist mental confusion that you call your "opnion"..

As i told to your consevative buddy i do not compromise when it comes to humanitarian principle, and there s nothing more despicable than people that play the civilised one to boeat their own ego, alas, that dont pass the most elementary examination.

If had to paticipate in an election where there would be someone like Bush 2004 as candidate i would never vote for him whetever his alleged political positionement, left, right or center it wouldnt matter for me, i would decide according to his deeds, and the fact that you voted for him is you real discourse, rest is cover up to hide your hatefull nature...

 

[buckshot24]

Lol, totaly desesperate post, as is deseperate the racist mental confusion that you call your "opnion"..

As i told to your consevative buddy i do not compromise when it comes to humanitarian principle, and there s nothing more despicable than people that play the civilised one to boeat their own ego, alas, that dont pass the most elementary examination.

If had to paticipate in an election where there would be someone like Bush 2004 as candidate i would never vote for him whetever his alleged political positionement, left, right or center it wouldnt matter for me, i would decide according to his deeds, and the fact that you voted for him is you real discourse, rest is cover up to hide your hatefull nature...

If you don't compromise on humanitarian principles why aren't you blasting Fidel for the thug he was?