Fidel Castro dead at 90

[Jhhnn]

I know hard liners personally who never lived under Batista, in fact, they didn't even exist when Batista was in power.

Of course. They emulate the beliefs of their parents & grandparents who fled Cuba. The members of Cuba's hereditary aristocracy who fled always dreamed of returning to Havana in glory, regaining the power & privilege of their ancestors. That won't happen.

 

[dphantom]

The ignorance of history among our forum statists and progressives is quite amazing.

 

[Double Trouble]

The ignorance of history among our forum statists and progressives is quite amazing.

This is sadly very true. Nobody in their right mind would defend Castro. The best thing you could reasonably say about him is that he wasn't a despot on the level of Kim Jong-Ill, Pol Pot, Mao or Idi Amin. I have a friend who's father spent years in prison getting beaten regularly because he said something slightly negative about a local member of the government.

I've been to Cuba and know a lot of people from there. They're all celebrating like crazy. The oppression under Castro is not to be underestimated. Good riddance to bad trash, I hope he burns in hell.

The first ones to leave Cuba after the revolution were the ones with money and means, but after that pretty much anyone who got the chance escaped, even though they knew their families would pay the price.

Fidel hasn't been running the country for a good while now, but at least with him officially gone there can be changes in the relations between the US and Cuba.

 

[Abwx]

This is sadly very true. Nobody in their right mind would defend Castro. The best thing you could reasonably say about him is that he wasn't a despot on the level of Kim Jong-Ill, Pol Pot, Mao or Idi Amin. I have a friend who's father spent years in prison getting beaten regularly because he said something slightly negative about a local member of the government.

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638 assassinations attempts by the CIA, you think that this had no influence in the tightened security..?.

As he pointed it insightfully in a fortress under siege any dissent is treason, and the US would had made no exception if the tables were turned, heck, your civil rights were suppressed by the patriot act for much less than this.

So much about ignorance of progressists, that s the pot that call the kettle..

 

[Abwx]

but after that pretty much anyone who got the chance escaped, even though they knew their families would pay the price.
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Lol, i did met a lot of cuban musicians who came here in Europe, none ever fled from Cuba, they knew that the illegal embargo was damaging their country more than any cuban politician, indeed you dont seem to realize that the US kept torturing this country for half a century because she refused to keep being the lupanar of the US originating perves..

 

[dphantom]

638 assassinations attempts by the CIA, you think that this had no influence in the tightened security..?.

As he pointed it insightfully in a fortress under siege any dissent is treason, and the US would had made no exception if the tables were turned, heck, your civil rights were suppressed by the patriot act for much less than this.

So much about ignorance of progressists, that s the pot that call the kettle..

I am afraid my civil rights have not been infringed tho I do not support certain provisions of our Patriot act. However, your moral equivalence is the mark of an undisciplined, even uneducated mind. There is a right and a wrong, there is a morality society must adhere to to be successful. Communism, even with your support, can never be a successful society when it debases, degrades and destroys the independent essence of a free society.

 

[Abwx]

I am afraid my civil rights have not been infringed tho I do not support certain provisions of our Patriot act. However, your moral equivalence is the mark of an undisciplined, even uneducated mind. There is a right and a wrong, there is a morality society must adhere to to be successful. Communism, even with your support, can never be a successful society when it debases, degrades and destroys the independent essence of a free society.

There was an electoral system with free election in Cuba, this ended due to the US supporting Battista to seize the power and get rid of any electoral process, from here why does the US, and for that matter some clueless US people, only dare to put the blame on Castro.?..

So crushing a young democracy is OK if the dictator is a US sold out puppet but once he s thrown out and replaced by someone who is not an US shill and suddenly the same hypocrits will cry fool..

As for communism being unsuccefull you are just aknowledging the limits of your understanding of what is a society, the US is a communist nation, it s just that it s so only for the wealthy while the masses are left living in a savage economic environment, prove is that the government bailed out the dwindling banks with public money while those who lost their house due to quasi fraudulous financing schemes had to abide by the capitalists laws and got thrown out of their basements...

 

[dphantom]

There was an electoral system with free election in Cuba, this ended due to the US supporting Battista to seize the power and get rid of any electoral process, from here why does the US, and for that matter some clueless US people, only dare to put the blame on Castro.?..

So crushing a young democracy is OK if the dictator is a US sold out puppet but once he s thrown out and replaced by someone who is not an US shill and suddenly the same hypocrits will cry fool..

As for communism being unsuccefull you are just aknowledging the limits of your understanding of what is a society, the US is a communist nation, it s just that it s so only for the wealthy while the masses are left living in a savage economic environment, prove is that the government bailed out the dwindling banks with public money while those who lost their house due to quasi fraudulous financing schemes had to abide by the capitalists laws and got thrown out of their basements...

It seems your thinking is rather turgid and full of non sequitors

 

[compuwiz1]

Notice how any praise for the dictator comes from the left? Typical of socialist, wanna be communists. Pinkos!
He's dead, he was evil and I shed no tears. Good riddance.

 

[norseamd]

Notice how any praise for the dictator comes from the left? Typical of socialist, wanna be communists. Pinkos!
He's dead, he was evil and I shed no tears. Good riddance.

Notice how you have a strong history of racism and hate for the left?

 

[compuwiz1]

Notice how you have a strong history of racism and hate for the left?

Notice how you just called me a racist? Typical left!

 

[Abwx]

It seems your thinking is rather turgid and full of non sequitors

Not at all, it s just that you lack the necessary perspective, no man can be self sufficient, you need other people contributition for anything you are doing, that s plain socialism, in a capitalist system the efficency due to society socialization is highjacked by a manipulating minority..

I mean take all the captalists of the USA and put them say in Texas with no other workers than themselves, you think that all will keep being wealthy..?

No, they need people who are unaware of how much they are producing, and if they know but are numerous enough they will be in a weak position and will be forced to accept any condition, because of this scheme a capitalist system will always try to weaken the woking force as a mean to extract more benefits.

So capitalism live out of hosts like vampires, and since a vampire cant live on other vampires they need a socialized system as host..

Notice how any praise for the dictator comes from the left? Typical of socialist, wanna be communists. Pinkos!
He's dead, he was evil and I shed no tears. Good riddance.

Did Castro kill as much innocent people than Bush jr..?.

No, and by far, but since you still find Castro as more condmenable it means that you are actually a supremacist that has no consideration for the cubans, it s just a posturing of yours that dont pass the most elemeantary examination and is just aknowledgment of what the conservatives are best for, that is, to be hypocrit and to usurp sentiments that are completely foreign to their mentality but that they know are being convenient to better dupe the common people...

Notice how you just called me a racist? Typical left!

By your own words you are a racist since you re stating that say 1000 death due to say Castro are not as condemnable as roughly 300K dead innocent iraqis due to Bush jr, or should i point the 500 000 dead iraqi youth who were deemed as "a price that is worth it" by Albright..?..

Indeed i m sure that you are among the ones that re elected Bush jr, as such you have no right to pretend that you are not racist, let alone condemn anything or anyone that has not this criminal record that you gladly supported..

 

[Blue_Max]

that's nothing compared to what our Prime Minister stated.

The only good side is that Castro died the day after speaking to Canadian Prime Minister Tater Tot. Maybe he's good for something after all!
Now to send Tater Tot to the next leader making the world a sh*tty place. I suggest Merkel first, then pretty much all of the UN...

 

[Blue_Max]

Notice how you just called me a racist? Typical left!

It's all they've got. Disagree with them, you're bad. Why? Because they're "good". Simple as that, you racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, ableist, islamophobic sh*tlord.

 

[norseamd]

Notice how you just called me a racist? Typical left!

Except you really do have a history of racism, on this very forum.

 

[norseamd]

It's all they've got. Disagree with them, you're bad. Why? Because they're "good". Simple as that, you racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, ableist, islamophobic sh*tlord.

Im not expecting you to be objective at all, especially even if there really is proof of someone being racist.

 

[norseamd]

By your own words you are a racist since you re stating that say 1000 death due to say Castro are not as condemnable as roughly 300K dead innocent iraqis due to Bush jr, or should i point the 500 000 dead iraqi youth who were deemed as "a price that is worth it" by Albright..?..

Indeed i m sure that you are among the ones that re elected Bush jr, as such you have no right to pretend that you are not racist, let alone condemn anything or anyone that has not this criminal record that you gladly supported..

He has a long history of racism on this forum, far worse than what you are mentioning, like calling black people ravenous monkeys and that type of shit.

 

[Abwx]

He has a long history of racism on this forum, far worse than what you are mentioning, like calling black people ravenous monkeys and that type of shit.

Thanks for the tip, i shouldnt have adressed his posts since that s giving him an importance that he seeking by parading in whatever forum that allow him to spill his mediocrity...


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[Abwx]

A few selected quotes from Wiki so people can better understand wich kind of "freedom" the US governement was seeking for Cuba :

FTR Castro was member of the Orthodox party.

In 1952, Batista again ran for president. In a three-way race, Roberto Agramonte of the Orthodox Party led in all the polls, followed by Carlos Hevia of the Authentic Party. Batista's United Action coalition was running a distant third.

On March 10, 1952, three months before the elections, Batista, with army backing, staged a coup and seized power. He ousted outgoing President Carlos Prío Socarrás, canceled the elections, and took control of the government as "provisional president." Shortly after the coup, the United States government recognized his government.

When asked by the U.S. government to analyze Batista's Cuba, Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr. said "The corruption of the Government, the brutality of the police, the government's indifference to the needs of the people for education, medical care, housing, for social justice and economic justice ... is an open invitation to revolution."

Brothels flourished. A major industry grew up around them; government officials received bribes, policemen collected protection money. Prostitutes could be seen standing in doorways, strolling the streets, or leaning from windows. One report estimated that 11,500 of them worked their trade in Havana. Beyond the outskirts of the capital, beyond the slot machines, was one of the poorest, and most beautiful countries in the Western world.

— David Detzer, American journalist, after visiting Havana in the 1950s

In the 1950s, Havana served as "a hedonistic playground for the world's elite", producing sizable gambling, prostitution and drug profits for American Mafiosos, corrupt law-enforcement officials, and their politically elected cronies.[39] In fact, drugs, be it marijuana or cocaine, were so plentiful at the time that one American magazine in 1950 proclaimed "Narcotics are hardly more difficult to obtain in Cuba than a shot of rum. And only slightly more expensive."

In a bid to profit from such an environment, Batista established lasting relationships with organized crime, notably with American mobsters Meyer Lansky and Lucky Luciano, and under his rule Havana became known as "the Latin Las Vegas".[40] Batista and Lansky formed a friendship and business relationship that flourished for a decade

At the beginning of 1959 United States companies owned about 40 percent of the Cuban sugar lands—almost all the cattle ranches—90 percent of the mines and mineral concessions—80 percent of the utilities—practically all the oil industry—and supplied two-thirds of Cuba's imports.

— John F. Kennedy

In a manner that antagonized the Cuban people, the U.S. government used its influence to advance the interests of and increase the profits of the private American companies, which "dominated the island's economy".[36] As a symbol of this relationship, ITT Corporation, an American-owned multinational telephone company, presented Batista with a Golden Telephone, as an "expression of gratitude" for the "excessive telephone rate increase" that Batista granted at the urging of the U.S. government

Earl T. Smith, former U.S. Ambassador to Cuba, testified to the U.S. Senate in 1960 that, "Until Castro, the U.S. was so overwhelmingly influential in Cuba that the American ambassador was the second most important man, sometimes even more important than the Cuban president."[47] In addition, nearly "all aid" from the U.S. to Batista's government was in the "form of weapons assistance", which "merely strengthened the Batista dictatorship" and "completely failed to advance the economic welfare of the Cuban people"

"Fulgencio Batista murdered 20,000 Cubans in seven years ... and he turned Democratic Cuba into a complete police state—destroying every individual liberty. Yet our aid to his regime, and the ineptness of our policies, enabled Batista to invoke the name of the United States in support of his reign of terror. Administration spokesmen publicly praised Batista—hailed him as a staunch ally and a good friend—at a time when Batista was murdering thousands, destroying the last vestiges of freedom, and stealing hundreds of millions of dollars from the Cuban people, and we failed to press for free elections.

The huge rest of this museum of political horrors here :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulgencio_Batista

 

[Victorian Gray]

It's all they've got. Disagree with them, you're bad. Why? Because they're "good". Simple as that, you racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, ableist, islamophobic sh*tlord.

Liar.

 

[compuwiz1]

Liar.

No he's not. That's what the left / democrats campaigned on, as they have done anytime they've run against republicans. This time it boiled over and people are sick of it. You can't win elections by insulting large portions of the electorate. It's going to be a long road back for democrats.

 

[MrSquished]

No he's not. That's what the left / democrats campaigned on, as they have done anytime they've run against republicans. This time it boiled over and people are sick of it. You can't win elections by insulting large portions of the electorate. It's going to be a long road back for democrats.

it was a close call. she won the popular vote and it was tight in a few swing states that would have swung it. she insulted a large portion of the electorate, along with her flaws and everything, and still almost won it.

stop crowing about like you won some super majority mandate. Trump squeaked by, and he had no record turnout or anything close.

it's open season now.

 

[compuwiz1]

it was a close call. she won the popular vote and it was tight in a few swing states that would have swung it. she insulted a large portion of the electorate, along with her flaws and everything, and still almost won it.

stop crowing about like you won some super majority mandate. Trump squeaked by, and he had no record turnout or anything close.

it's open season now.

306 to 232 is hardly squeaking by. 270 to 268 would be squeaky. She didn't almost win it. You may now return to your crack pipe. Hurry while it's still hot! ;-)

 

[MrSquished]

306 to 232 is hardly squeaking by. 270 to 268 would be squeaky. She didn't almost win it. You may now return to your crack pipe. Hurry while it's still hot! ;-)

WI, FL & PA were close.

it's not my fault you can't count.

fucking stupid Trumpists I gotta deal with every day.

 

[compuwiz1]

WI, FL & PA were close.

it's not my fault you can't count.

fucking stupid Trumpists I gotta deal with every day.

Go ahead and insult, then go back and look at the electoral votes again. I can count just fine. You are talking about 3 states and the results are not going to change. This has nothing to do with Trumpists, just facts, you immature little cockwomble. Have a cry towel, you unmitigated, stank little twat.

If I really wanted to insult you, I could. Please don't question my ability to understand the math.