Ferrai Enzo; 0-60 in 3.4 seconds

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: geno

0-60 does not make an all around sports car. In overall racing ability and quickness, the Enzo wins.

have you ever driven it? have you seen a review? have you seen a head to head comparison? i think not. at the moment all you're doing is mere speculation

 

[geno]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: geno

0-60 does not make an all around sports car. In overall racing ability and quickness, the Enzo wins.

have you ever driven it? have you seen a review? have you seen a head to head comparison? i think not. at the moment all you're doing is mere speculation

So are you trying to argue that a hypped up Vette can compare to a built from the ground-up racer in anything other than 0-60? I'll happily pull some numbers up to compare between the cars, and I can guarantee you, speculation or not, that the Enzo is a much more capable car all around than a streetable vette.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: geno

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: geno

0-60 does not make an all around sports car. In overall racing ability and quickness, the Enzo wins.

have you ever driven it? have you seen a review? have you seen a head to head comparison? i think not. at the moment all you're doing is mere speculation

So are you trying to argue that a hypped up Vette can compare to a built from the ground-up racer in anything other than 0-60? I'll happily pull some numbers up to compare between the cars, and I can guarantee you, speculation or not, that the Enzo is a much more capable car all around than a streetable vette.

there aren't any numbers except what ferrari has stated! and while ferrari's numbers have been on target they've only been acceleration!

 

[geno]

Yeah but come on, a Z06 handles with the likes of a 360 Modena (I'm pretty sure it comes close, but doesn't beat it in the slolom), do you think that Ferrari is going to make a car doesn't blow away the one in their lineup that costs hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars less? Yeah, it's an assumption, but it's an accurate one IMO

 

[MajorCaliber]

Too slow! For $7k and up, any Jap sportbike can do zero to sixty in under 3 sec's. 4 wheels are just too boring, they are just for people that can't wheelie!

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: geno
Yeah but come on, a Z06 handles with the likes of a 360 Modena (I'm pretty sure it comes close, but doesn't beat it in the slolom), do you think that Ferrari is going to make a car doesn't blow away the one in their lineup that costs hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars less? Yeah, it's an assumption, but it's an accurate one IMO

improving on the modena is going to be noticeable to only the best drivers, i would think. the main advantage the enzo has is its light weight. the vette has a huge hp advantage. which is faster around the track is going to depend on track conditions. saw a monaco race a few years back where a stock vette could have gotten around the track better than the F1s could have it was raining so hard.

 

[NFS4]

saw a monaco race a few years back where a stock vette could have gotten around the track better than the F1s could have it was raining so hard.

I'll believe that when I see it.

 

[Excelsior]

NFS4, where did we say the Vette beat any Ferrai in construction/quality/ or visually?

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: NFS4

saw a monaco race a few years back where a stock vette could have gotten around the track better than the F1s could have it was raining so hard.

I'll believe that when I see it.

only 4 cars finished that race, iirc. thats what the commentators were saying and i think derrick bell is qualified enough to make that statement.

 

[boyRacer]

people would take a corvette over a ferrari... oooook...

 

[everman]

I've never been under the hood of a Ferrari but I'd wager a guess that it's easier to work on a Vette than a Ferarri (being familiar with vettes already that is). Plus the vette is faster and looks better.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Excelsior
NFS4, where did we say the Vette beat any Ferrai in construction/quality/ or visually?

Anyone who is going to compare a Vette to a Ferrari better bring more than performance to the table.

There IS no comparison. I don't care what you do to a Corvette, it will NEVER compare to a Ferrari. Anyone that thinks otherwise is fooling themselves. The Ferrari Enzo only has three other rivals:

Lamborghini Murcielago
Porsche Carrera GT
McLaren F1

No Corvette has enough clout to be in that company. GM != Lambo, Ferrari, Porsche, McLaren in road cars.

As I've said, you can't simply pick out a few performance stats and say that it's better than a Ferrari. The Ferrari is a whole car with performance in mind all throughout. A Lingenfelter is a hopped up Corvette.

You wouldn't compare a tricked out Nissan 350Z made by a professional company to a 360 Modena, so why would you compare a tricked out Vette to an Enzo? It's like buying a Timex and saying that it spanks a genuine Rolex b/c it also tells time and costs much less.

 

[LongCoolMother]

i dont know, but im sure anyone would take the enzo over ANY corvette anyday. even if the corvette can perform better. i mean, the vette cant even touch the enzo in terms of flashiness and class. you might see 5 corvettes driving around. but you'll see only 1 enzo.

a civic can be bumped up to be much faster then a corvette. its still a civic, so would you take it over a corvette?

 

[Gunbuster]

Sweet car, but I think all that carbon fiber makes it look a bit tacky

 

[MajorCaliber]

The Ferrari sounds a million times better than the Vette, it has a soul stirring sound, the only thing close is a inline 4 sport bike at redline! But the Ferrari can't wheelie, or do a stoppie!

 

[AvesPKS]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Excelsior
NFS4, where did we say the Vette beat any Ferrai in construction/quality/ or visually?

Anyone who is going to compare a Vette to a Ferrari better bring more than performance to the table.

There IS no comparison. I don't care what you do to a Corvette, it will NEVER compare to a Ferrari. Anyone that thinks otherwise is fooling themselves. The Ferrari Enzo only has three other rivals:

Lamborghini Murcielago
Porsche Carrera GT
McLaren F1

No Corvette has enough clout to be in that company. GM != Lambo, Ferrari, Porsche, McLaren in road cars.

As I've said, you can't simply pick out a few performance stats and say that it's better than a Ferrari. The Ferrari is a whole car with performance in mind all throughout. A Lingenfelter is a hopped up Corvette.

You wouldn't compare a tricked out Nissan 350Z made by a professional company to a 360 Modena, so why would you compare a tricked out Vette to an Enzo? It's like buying a Timex and saying that it spanks a genuine Rolex b/c it also tells time and costs much less.

You're right, I probably wouldn't compare a 350Z to a 360...however, if they were of comparable performance, I might compare a Skyline to a 360. Just because Nissan makes Sentras doesn't mean that they cannot make a performance vehicle. And, no, it would be like buying a...I don't know...Pepsi Timex that had been modified to be able to keep time more accurately and precisely than a Rolex, and still cost less.

 

[Syringer]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: Syringer

Originally posted by: SnapIT
The corvette isn't just as fast or faster, unless you drive it only straight ahead... on a track where you have curves, you would have to drive it like it had half the power it actually has...

The enzo was built for the horsepower it has, everything about the car screams racer, the vette was never built to handle that kind of power...

Read the first post in this thread again. Was it about track performance? Was it about how many g's an Enzo can pull? Was it about a new slalom time of the Enzo?

NO. It was aimed towards ZERO TO SIXTY times. Look at the friggin' title.

The fact is, the Enzo's 0-60 time (which again, which is why this thread was started), is beat BADLY by a car that costs a fraction of its price. Therefore, one can conclude that the Enzo's 0-60 time is NOT that impressive.

NO ONE is claiming that the Vette is a more desirable car, or a car that's even in the same league as the Enzo.

But still, while we're on the subject, the 427 Vette pulls over a G on the skidpad, and anyone who says the Vette in any form is only a straight line car needs to get their head checked.

And..to anyone that talks about making a Civic a fast car, may I remind you that the Civic is a front wheel drive econo box designed for getting good gas mileage. You will not be able to make it turn in whatever direction you point the wheel and expect it to go there. The Vette is a sports car, designed to go fast and handle well, practicality being second. The Enzo, on a different level obviously, has the same philosophy. Comparing those two is just a little more valid than putting a Civic in the mix.

The lingenfelter is a souped up vette, it's meant to go fast in a straight line, nobody in their right mind would even try to race an Enzo with that on a track...

And this thread is about the Ferrari Enzo and that it does go as fast as Ferrari said it would, not about track driving OR vettes...

So you have strayed from the topic as much as anyone...

Umm.... the Lingenfelter does handle pretty damn good. Hey compare the Enzo to the C5-R if you want a track comparison.

The Enzo can be driven on the track AND on the street. Can't say that for the C5-R.

And for all of you trying to compare the Lingenfelter Corvette to the Enzo...as a total package, the Corvette doesn't even come close to "mere" 360 Modena. Now I've had the chance to sample a C5 (albeit a friggin 4-speed auto...like most of the Vette's sold today), and it is not even in the same league construction/quality/visually compared to the 360 Modena.

I rode in a new 360 Modena with an F1 transmission. Black Conolloy leather interior with aluminum trim everywhere. Aluminum bulkheads around the center console, aluminum bulkheads around the door sills, aluminum doors with leather plastered all over. The ENTIRE dash is covered in leather from head to toe as are every portion of the doors (at least the portions without beautifully exposed aluminum). Aluminum pull handles for the doors. The seats are so form fitting...it's like they were made JUST for you. The cockpit is nothing buy high quality plastic, leather and aluminum. The Vette is like a penatly box in comparison. Cheap plastic dash, crappy materials used on the doors and switchgear and leather seats that feel like vinyl.

Sitting in the seat, I look back over my shoulder and see the 3.6 liter V8 engine "beating" behind me through the pane of glass seperating the engine bay and the cockpit singing like a BANSHEE.

Now, the 5.7 liter unit in the Vette makes some sweet noises...but the 3.6 liter unit in the Modena simply sings!! I mean, this baby WAILS!!!!!! Who needs a damn radio/CD player with this baby behind your ears!! Just hearing that puppy go BANG BANG BANG as the right shift paddle is pulled for an upshift and your head just lunges back into the head rest. Then to feel my insides slosh from side to side as this baby flew around corners as planted as magnet on metal and feel my eyeballs suck to their sockets as the car braked like a mofo!! And then there's the ride of the car over city roads!! Simply marvelous. For it to be a supercar, its ride quality is about as sedate as your average family sedan.

Then the stares that you get in public. It's awesome!! I remember us pulling up to a Trailblazer (I think that's what it was...this was about 5 months ago). Dude does a double take when he sees the Modena. Here we are sitting at light and I'm looking at the guy, then watching the rev counter on the dash. Light turns green. SHREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK!!!!!! BAM BAM BAM BAM ZOOM!!!!!!!!!! Haha, I was so giddy I almost pissed my pants That happened everywhere we went. People were just going ga-ga over the 360. No one was stupid enough to challenge us either


Why am I saying all of this???? Corvettes are all well good...Lingenfelters are nice for what they are. But NOTHING of that "caliber" comes close to comparing to a Ferrari...let alone an Enzo.

And all this has to do with the topic of the Enzo being pretty fast from 0-60 how?

 

[NFS4]

And all this has to do with the topic of the Enzo being pretty fast from 0-60 how?

It goes to show that you cannot compare a fuggin GM to a Ferrari no matter how tricked out it is. There are just certain qualities that a Corvette will NEVER have. You can't pick out 0-60 times and say that a Vette is better than an Enzo.

The Enzo is on a totally different plane than any Vette. My little story was to show that a Vette can't even stack up to a 360 in terms of the sum of its parts, so how can it even compare to an Enzo?

Look at the exterior build quality and interior build quality of the Vette. Then look at how methodically put together a 360 is. Look at the 360's engine bay...it's a work of are with the engine sitting under that glass. The interior is 50x greater than anything that comes in a Z06. Look at how aerodynamic the 360 is and its completely flat underbody. This car was MADE for the track and for performance.

The Vette is a world class sports car put together like a $15,000 Chevy Cavalier. The 360 is a world class sports car through and through...the Enzo is only better on all fronts than a 360...and thus better than a Vette as well.

 

[Dulanic]

Originally posted by: NFS4

And all this has to do with the topic of the Enzo being pretty fast from 0-60 how?

It goes to show that you cannot compare a fuggin GM to a Ferrari no matter how tricked out it is. There are just certain qualities that a Corvette will NEVER have. You can't pick out 0-60 times and say that a Vette is better than an Enzo.

The Enzo is on a totally different plane than any Vette. My little story was to show that a Vette can't even stack up to a 360 in terms of the sum of its parts, so how can it even compare to an Enzo?

Look at the exterior build quality and interior build quality of the Vette. Then look at how methodically put together a 360 is. Look at the 360's engine bay...it's a work of are with the engine sitting under that glass. The interior is 50x greater than anything that comes in a Z06. Look at how aerodynamic the 360 is and its completely flat underbody. This car was MADE for the track and for performance.

The Vette is a world class sports car put together like a $15,000 Chevy Cavalier. The 360 is a world class sports car through and through...the Enzo is only better on all fronts than a 360...and thus better than a Vette as well.

And your argueing this point WHY? I just read this thread for the first time and I havent see ONE person disagree with what you said.... infact I saw them agree.
Let's remember the thread title... "Ferrai Enzo; 0-60 in 3.4 seconds" So they compared the 0-60 time. Nothing else.

 

[toant103]

Originally posted by: Zim Hosein
Me wants one

Thanks NFS4

how about 2?

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Dulanic

Originally posted by: NFS4

And all this has to do with the topic of the Enzo being pretty fast from 0-60 how?

It goes to show that you cannot compare a fuggin GM to a Ferrari no matter how tricked out it is. There are just certain qualities that a Corvette will NEVER have. You can't pick out 0-60 times and say that a Vette is better than an Enzo.

The Enzo is on a totally different plane than any Vette. My little story was to show that a Vette can't even stack up to a 360 in terms of the sum of its parts, so how can it even compare to an Enzo?

Look at the exterior build quality and interior build quality of the Vette. Then look at how methodically put together a 360 is. Look at the 360's engine bay...it's a work of are with the engine sitting under that glass. The interior is 50x greater than anything that comes in a Z06. Look at how aerodynamic the 360 is and its completely flat underbody. This car was MADE for the track and for performance.

The Vette is a world class sports car put together like a $15,000 Chevy Cavalier. The 360 is a world class sports car through and through...the Enzo is only better on all fronts than a 360...and thus better than a Vette as well.

And your argueing this point WHY? I just read this thread for the first time and I havent see ONE person disagree with what you said.... infact I saw them agree.
Let's remember the thread title... "Ferrai Enzo; 0-60 in 3.4 seconds" So they compared the 0-60 time. Nothing else.

The point of the thread was to show that Ferrari was getting better times then Ferrari claimed. Not to proclaim it the end-all be-all of cars in performance...That title belongs to the McLaren F1.

Now if you try something retarded like compared the Lingenfelter to the McLaren F1, I'm gonna have to bitch slap you myself.



My other point was that you could never compare a Corvette to a Ferrari. How hard is that to understand?

 

[Dulanic]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Dulanic

Originally posted by: NFS4

And all this has to do with the topic of the Enzo being pretty fast from 0-60 how?

It goes to show that you cannot compare a fuggin GM to a Ferrari no matter how tricked out it is. There are just certain qualities that a Corvette will NEVER have. You can't pick out 0-60 times and say that a Vette is better than an Enzo.

The Enzo is on a totally different plane than any Vette. My little story was to show that a Vette can't even stack up to a 360 in terms of the sum of its parts, so how can it even compare to an Enzo?

Look at the exterior build quality and interior build quality of the Vette. Then look at how methodically put together a 360 is. Look at the 360's engine bay...it's a work of are with the engine sitting under that glass. The interior is 50x greater than anything that comes in a Z06. Look at how aerodynamic the 360 is and its completely flat underbody. This car was MADE for the track and for performance.

The Vette is a world class sports car put together like a $15,000 Chevy Cavalier. The 360 is a world class sports car through and through...the Enzo is only better on all fronts than a 360...and thus better than a Vette as well.

And your argueing this point WHY? I just read this thread for the first time and I havent see ONE person disagree with what you said.... infact I saw them agree.
Let's remember the thread title... "Ferrai Enzo; 0-60 in 3.4 seconds" So they compared the 0-60 time. Nothing else.

The point of the thread was to show that Ferrari was getting better times then Ferrari claimed. Not to proclaim it the end-all be-all of cars in performance...That title belongs to the McLaren F1.

Now if you try something retarded like compared the Lingenfelter to the McLaren F1, I'm gonna have to bitch slap you myself.



My other point was that you could never compare a Corvette to a Ferrari. How hard is that to understand?

I think I'll just be the one to say it.... NO SH*T. I must have missed the part where they compared the corvette to the ferrai BESIDES 0-60 time... and that was the topic title... Noone was arguing with you about anything... the only thing people mentioned was 0-60 time yet again and again you tried to go into other stuff... and you did it over and over even tho people AGREED with you. Why are you arguing with people WHO ARE NOT ARGUING with you. You keep trying to make points that don't need to be made.

And yes you can compare them.... in this case they were comparing 0-60 in which that vette is faster. They compared NOTHING ELSE only you did that. This was purely about 0-60.

 

[NFS4]

If comparing cars was simply a matter of comparing 0-60 times, then the car world would be a simple place to live in. If people were to go on 0-60 times alone, we'd all be buying cars that were fast with no substance. The point that I am trying to make is that you can't simply use one performance measure to compare two cars. You have to compare them as a whole. That's why whenever you see comparison tests of cars, they look at the cars as a whole instead of just looking at performance numbers.

THAT is why I'm saying that the comparisons are pointless. I'm not arguing that fact that the Lingenfelter is indeed faster than the Enzo in 0-60. What I am saying is that it doesn't matter one bit. Does it matter that a Neon SRT-4 is faster 0-60 than a BMW 330i?? No it doesn't. While they are both 4-door sedans with sporting aspirations, the BMW is on an entirely different plane than a Neon SRT-4. Same goes for ANY Vette vs Ferrari comparison.

Now if you wanted to compare the Enzo to a Murcielago or a Carrera GT, I could fully understand that.

Does that sound hard to understand??? Sure doesn't to me

 

[iwearnosox]

No cupholder, I'll pass.

 

[MainFramed]

Originally posted by: Excelsior
:Q


whoa...

Serioulsy, my dads 50th Aniversery vet will go 0-100 in like 11 secs