Fermi to have bigger launch than hd5800

[tviceman]

Fermi will have more than twice as many units available at launch than the hd5800 series did. http://www.brightsideofnews.com/News.aspx?id=1240&page=0

If true, which seems more than likely after reading, this will be a slap, punch, and kick to the nuts in Charlie's "10,000 units then EOL for Fermi" rhetoric. 50,000 and maybe more at launch. Some AIB's have 10,000 or more on order from Nvidia. The article also states that low yields with 512 core part are the reason Nvidia isn't launching that part right now and that Nvidia wants/plans FERMI to pass AMD on lifetime sales vs. 5800 by end of summer.

If this is all true then to me it sounds like Nvidia is pretty confident in performance and supply.


This thread has gone way off topic, so I'm locking it.

Super Moderator BFG10K.

 

[happy medium]

WOW Nvidia pulled a fast one ...

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"We also learned that nVidia shifted allocation of its 40nm wafers from lowly DirectX 10.1 parts into big-die Fermis - those numerous 40nm DX10.1 GPUs weren't only nVidia's plan to capture those 80% of Arrandale designs, but also to keep the highest possible allocation of 40nm process node for itself, and appropriately shifting the allocation from cheap DX10.1 GPUs to high-end Fermi dies. In any case, a clever strategy."


I guess this is what they call "ramping up" supply?

 

[dguy6789]

Good news. If there's no shortage of the cards, then hopefully they will be able to be purchased for MSRP and not much higher.

 

[happy medium]

Good news. If there's no shortage of the cards, then hopefully they will be able to be purchased for MSRP and not much higher.

ANd price drops for the 58xx series ...YEaaay!

 

[OCGuy]

Wow, this would be awesome for the consumer if true.

Oh, and it would crap on that one guy.

 

[happy medium]

Now if they launch a gtx 470 at 350$ and it performs somewhere in between a 5850 and 5870, I may finally have a new card.

 

[Keysplayr]

<---- I have a feeling I am going to have a lot of these in the weeks ahead.

 

[Lonyo]

<---- I have a feeling I am going to have a lot of these in the weeks ahead.

I think most people will.

Maybe AT's review will even get a re-used title:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3151

A Return to Competition

 

[RussianSensation]

Great news, if true. There is so much conflicting information on Fermi from TDP numbers, to launch numbers, to pricing, to GTX480 being only 5-10&#37; faster than 5870 and at the same time ATI partners planning overclocked 5970s to compete with GTX480, it's hard to know whom to believe. It's as if NV's management purposely spread false rumours and really plan to launch a powerhouse that will leave ATI in a state of a mess on launch date. Ah too much anticipation.

 

[RussianSensation]

I think most people will.

Maybe AT's review will even get a re-used title:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3151

That was a misleading title though, because we know over time 8800GT just smashed 3870 series. http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/18521/6

Hopefully this time it's for real, and more!

 

[happy medium]

In the next few days check the for sale forums for real good deals on video cards.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Maybe the lower launch numbers were thought to be because of the 512SP parts... though I don't know how much a single cluster would change yields. But, you have to wonder if Nvidia has a bit of a suprise, the rumors are much more positive over the last week or so.

 

[Hauk]

Fermi may not end up as well rounded as 58xx; but the latest info to surface is good enough for me. I can handle 250w, I can handle the shader count, I can handle it being on par or slightly faster than 5870. I'm hoping for OC headroom, and am HOPING this info on launch supply is accurate!

Regardless of where your preferences lie, we need this thing to launch with some level of success. To quote..

"All in all, regardless of you being Green or Red, this will be good two weeks for graphics. If you chose to acquire Red cards, there will be a series of "adjusted pricing" across the board, while Green cards will show their teeth and show themselves among numerous e-tailers and retailers."

HERE YOU GO KEYS...

 

[Lonyo]

That was a misleading title though, because we know over time 8800GT just smashed 3870 series. http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/18521/6

Hopefully this time it's for real, and more!

Well how about http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3492
"A True Return to Competition"

It was more about celebrating a possible return to competition than anything else. I typed "return to competition" and the HD38xx article was first result. Blame the AT search function

 

[cbn]

That is interesting. I think most of us didn't realize Nvidia could reserve 40nm wafers ahead of time.

Switching low profit manufacture to high profit manufacture on those same wafers makes sense.

Seriously, I was wondering why Nvidia would even sell Fermis to the gaming market if rumors of 10,000 units were really true. I would think most (if not all) of the Fermis would go to HPC. But then again, I have no idea how large the HPC orders are?

 

[Stoneburner]

1. Not sure why one set of rumors is more credible than another.
2. I'm not sure how it can be called a launch when cards are not going to be available on the "launch" day.
3. Reserved
4. So will we get performance numbers on the 26th?

 

[thilanliyan]

^I think NDA is up 3 days later so 3 days after the launch we get the numbers?

 

[Stoneburner]

^I think NDA is up 3 days later so 3 days after the launch we get the numbers?

But I want them now! I have alot of decisions to make on how to waste money!

The 350 price range for the 470 troubles me. That's its MSRP supposedly in response to the 5850 being at or about $300. Said 5850 was supposed to be at $250! I'll consider the 470 at 300 or the 5850 at $250. SOmehow I doubt i'll see either !

 

[mhouck]

I hope thilaniyan is wrong on that. It would be seriously backward to release the card first and have no official numbers out even on same day. I really want to see some comparisons of ati cards w/ the 10.3 ccc v. fermi.

 

[Lonyo]

That is interesting. I think most of us didn't realize Nvidia could reserve 40nm wafers ahead of time.

Switching low profit manufacture to high profit manufacture on those same wafers makes sense.

Seriously, I was wondering why Nvidia would even sell Fermis to the gaming market if rumors of 10,000 units were really true. I would think most (if not all) of the Fermis would go to HPC. But then again, I have no idea how large the HPC orders are?

I think I did, but I didn't think of it like this at the time.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=29045748&postcount=49

I know it might seem crazy to you guys, but there's more to 40nm than the HD5xxx series, from both NV and ATI.
TSMC is going to split 40nm production probably along lines similar to the way they are already doing, I would guess.

EDIT: Wait, yes I did...
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=29064163&postcount=48

I wonder if NV will be producing as many mobile chips as they can with the current wafers in preparation for cutting down production heavily once Fermi needs the wafers.
Is there any chance that they might do that? Overproduce on one chip while they have the capacity so they can switch it to something else and hope they don't end up with an oversupply of those chips?

And Wreckage agreed with me, woo.

 

[blanketyblank]

Good news if true. It doesn't really prove Charlie's info is bogus though since we're trying to figure out if his numbers are just random guesses or if he really does have some inside sources. I think his estimates were based off of 512 SPs for the high end as well.

Still I'll believe it when I see it, and right now I just want to see performance numbers.

 

[ronnn]

So BS news states nvidia will have 40,000 boards. If that number turns into real availability, Nvidia has a major problem. Hell ati was up to 100,000 sold with little available.

No wonder theo is ignored. His logic is as sad as his sources.

Lets hope Nvidia actually releases a working part that doesn't take pr focus to be good.

 

[BFG10K]

Yeah, the launch count might be higher, but how about after that?

Ah well, as long as I get one, I don't care.

 

[1h4x4s3x]

It's amusing that you're using a fud site to bash Charlie right away, while the limited quantities were confirmed by different and reputable sites during cebit. But I figure, the grudge against Charlie must be big.

Anyway, let's hope Theo is right at least once, would be great for us consumers.

 

[Keysplayr]

It's amusing that you're using a fud site to bash Charlie right away, while the limited quantities were confirmed by different and reputable sites during cebit. But I figure, the grudge against Charlie must be big.

Anyway, let's hope Theo is right at least once, would be great for us consumers.

And it is indeed amusing that you are amused. Also noted that you refer to BSON as "a fud site" and then refer to Charlie, as just "Charlie". Like there is some sort of respect there.
So, I can see why you're amused.