Feds will "vigorously enforce" drug laws in CA if prop 19 passes

[SP33Demon]

I'd just like to see a California secession movement get enough ground to scare the shit out of the Feds.

Only problem... a secession would take money and...

 

[MotF Bane]

Worker's rights? What rights, they are here illegally.

Then there's nothing wrong with shipping them all back... oh, except your produce prices will go up.

 

[bfdd]

Only problem... a secession would take money and...

I fail to see how my state being broke would prevent a secession. The resources would be there if they were needed. You don't think some foreign nation would love to fund California breaking away from the USA?

Also, I'm not hoping for secession just that I would like to see people get loud enough about it if the Feds decide to try to fuck with us if we pass Prop 19.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Whats the third biggest state? So the fed will guard the california borders and do raids . I see big job oppertunities here. Because their (Fed) going to need alot of extra people to enforce. That leaves 49 other states open to pot growth without so much fed intervention and to be honest regular cops really don't like busting pot heads.

So the fed which is laying off people will need big bucks to enforce.

 

[theeedude]

Then there's nothing wrong with shipping them all back... oh, except your produce prices will go up.

So will yours.

 

[bfdd]

So will yours.

pretty sure most of us are ok with that. I would rather see those people come over here legally and get paid a proper wage than get paid slave wages and be second grade NON-citizens.

 

[theeedude]

pretty sure most of us are ok with that. I would rather see those people come over here legally and get paid a proper wage than get paid slave wages and be second grade NON-citizens.

What is a proper wage?

 

[shira]

Isn't the expansion of the commerce clause by the "progressives" a wonderful thing?

Riiggghhhhtttt. Richard Nixon, that damned progressive, started the whole "War on Drugs." And Ronald Reagan, that damned progressive, oversaw the Sentencing Reform Act in 1984, leading to a vast increase in the number of Americans imprisoned for drug offenses.

 

[bfdd]

What is a proper wage?

Well if we REALLY want to get into that, sure they can keep getting paid what they like. Remove minimum wage and allow people to compete for lower wages. You wouldn't like that and no one is going to agree to it, so whatever that is.

 

[Greenman]

What money?

O'bummer bucks, all that free money the Feds love to give away to rich people.

 

[ericlp]

I can't wait to see it pass and the people start to riot and burn down fed buildings etc...etc... Ought to make for some entertaining CNN viewing. Any numbers out yet?

 

[her209]

O'bummer bucks, all that free money the Feds love to give away to rich people.

A simple "I don't know" would have sufficed.

 

[Patranus]

Riiggghhhhtttt. Richard Nixon, that damned progressive, started the whole "War on Drugs." And Ronald Reagan, that damned progressive, oversaw the Sentencing Reform Act in 1984, leading to a vast increase in the number of Americans imprisoned for drug offenses.

Riddle me this: What part of the constitution does the federal government use to justify the regulation of "controlled substances"?

 

[shira]

Riddle me this: What part of the constitution does the federal government use to justify the regulation of "controlled substances"?

Way to sidetrack. You claimed PROGRESSIVES are responsible. I slam-dunked your claim. The biggest expansion of the use of the commerce clause occurred under RIGHT-wing presidents.

Now, a simple "I was wrong" would be appropriate.

 

[BoberFett]

Way to sidetrack. You claimed PROGRESSIVES are responsible. I slam-dunked your claim. The biggest expansion of the use of the commerce clause occurred under RIGHT-wing presidents.

Now, a simple "I was wrong" would be appropriate.

FDR was the president at the time Wickard v Filburn was decided.

Now, a simple "I was wrong" would be appropriate.

Edit: And before you try to come back with any stupid rebuttals, 8 of 9 Supreme Court justices at the time of this decision were nominated by FDR.

 

[LunarRay]

IF Prop 19 passes, and I think it will, it will go quick like a bunny to Federal Court and be 'stayed'.... It is clearly in violation of the Controlling law.

Riots? I don't think so... least ways not enough to make a difference.

We, Californians, are part of the Union and pretty apt to stay that way and we do have USSC rulings that are pretty apt to remain as they are... Prop 19 is DOA!

 

[Moonbeam]

Those who are in favor of overthrowing government control in California should familiarize themselves with jury nullification. It doesn't make a fucking difference what the law says you do not have to convict. You can stick your middle finger in the law because the fucking law is wrong.

 

[dawp]

pretty sure most of us are ok with that. I would rather see those people come over here legally and get paid a proper wage than get paid slave wages and be second grade NON-citizens.

I don't mind higher prices if that's all it take, but it's not. the growers who hire the illeagals wont pay a decent wage. they have no incentive to as long as the don't get punished for doing so. Also what would prevent the distributers from sourcing produce in Mexico? I can go into my local store right now and get tomatoes from south of the border. I generally avoid those, I'd rather get more expensive greenhouse tomatoes grown locally.

 

[qliveur]

IF Prop 19 passes, and I think it will, it will go quick like a bunny to Federal Court and be 'stayed'.... It is clearly in violation of the Controlling law.

Riots? I don't think so... least ways not enough to make a difference.

We, Californians, are part of the Union and pretty apt to stay that way and we do have USSC rulings that are pretty apt to remain as they are... Prop 19 is DOA!

No, no, NO! I want a federal crackdown. I want riots. I want civilians dead in the streets... over fucking POT!

After that, There will be no denying how completely ASININE the war on drugs is. That's what I want.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Worker's rights? What rights, they are here illegally.

OH, I see. So since they're here illegally, they can be treated like animals and from your earlier comment, shouldn't be deported because you want cheap produce?

You're a real humanitarian and you're doing a brilliant job digging an even bigger hole for yourself. Here, allow me to give you a new shovel -- yours must be broken by now.

Vigorous enforcement of federal law means just that -- vigorous enforcement of ALL federal laws, not just the ones senseamp agrees with. Your hypocrisy is astounding.

 

[BeauJangles]

As much as members of this forum dislike California, you've got to hand it to them for being on the cutting-edge of most issues.

There is no way the DoJ itself can enforce the law without local law enforcement. Their agencies are already overburdened with their current workload. As someone said earlier, the Fed can, and probably will, respond by trying to cut federal funding to the state.

Anyway, I'm for legalization. Our policies towards marijuana thus far have completely failed. Time to try something new.

 

[bamacre]

It's his job to vigorously enforce federal law.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/19/new-medical-marijuana-pol_n_325426.html

Change you can believe in!

 

[MotF Bane]

So will yours.

Yes, they will. But I'm not the one bitching about that.

 

[theeedude]

OH, I see. So since they're here illegally, they can be treated like animals and from your earlier comment, shouldn't be deported because you want cheap produce?

You're a real humanitarian and you're doing a brilliant job digging an even bigger hole for yourself. Here, allow me to give you a new shovel -- yours must be broken by now.

Vigorous enforcement of federal law means just that -- vigorous enforcement of ALL federal laws, not just the ones senseamp agrees with. Your hypocrisy is astounding.

Not deported is not same as treated as animals. They are here illegally because they want those jobs. Because they are here, both their families back home and Americans can afford food. It's a win win.

 

[hal2kilo]

Grow your own, it's cheaper, you can do it indoors and it doesn't take up a lot of space. Obviously it's not the cost, it's your laziness.

Yea, no risk involved at all. Avoiding having ones house confiscated doen't seem like laziness to me.