Fearful people are more conservative

[shortylickens]

But LOOOOOOVE the cheap labor.

No more or less than Democrats, who also want to give them citizenship for easy votes.

 

[Ausm]

No more or less than Democrats, who also want to give them citizenship for easy votes.

Your party already lost the Latino vote for to the tune of 75% in favor of President Obama so what's a few more votes? That way in the next Presidential Election the Republican nominee could potentially lose the popular vote by 16 million instead of the 5 million they lost by in 2012.

 

[boomerang]

Wait, aren't liberals afraid of unborn babies, transfat, guns, large softdrinks, and rich people??

Hmm...

Afraid of anything they can't control is a blanket statement that pretty much covers it. But do understand the difference between liberals and progressives. You could discuss your differences with a liberal and part as friends, a progressive would prefer to have you silenced for your beliefs.

As an aside, did you see there's going to be new forum by invitation only? How cool is that?

 

[Olikan]

yep, bigger the gun, the manlier you are

nothing really new

 

[FerrelGeek]

But LOOOOOOVE the cheap labor.

Wrong again. Bet a lot of the rich lib 1%ers have illegals cleaning their homes and cutting their grass because it's cheap. You really need to get your head out from between your Obama blow-up doll's legs, breathe some fresh air, and actually find out what conservatives think wrt immigration vs what msnbc tells you about what they think.

 

[Ausm]

Wrong again. Bet a lot of the rich lib 1%ers have illegals cleaning their homes and cutting their grass because it's cheap. You really need to get your head out from between your Obama blow-up doll's legs, breathe some fresh air, and actually find out what conservatives think wrt immigration vs what msnbc tells you about what they think.

Okay Buttwheat.....

 

[trenchfoot]

This thread shows exactly why Repub extremists are to blame for their party's further alienation from mainstram America in fitful leaps and bounds.

Want proof? Ref. 2012 Elections; ie - Disbelief/denial in why they lost, backfiring voter suppression/disenfranchisement tactics, preponderance of far right legislation being introduced/passed, failed backfiring use of total outright obstructionism in Congress to prevent Obama's reelection, and on and on and on.

Seems to me what the Repub extremists ( esp. the Tea Party) fear the most is that the times they are a-changing and it's changing in a way that threatens their very existence in their present form, whereas the Dems are more adaptable and favorable to change.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

This thread shows exactly why Repub extremists are to blame for their party's further alienation from mainstram America in fitful leaps and bounds.

Want proof? Ref. 2012 Elections; ie - Disbelief/denial in why they lost, backfiring voter suppression/disenfranchisement tactics, preponderance of far right legislation being introduced/passed, failed backfiring use of total outright obstructionism in Congress to prevent Obama's reelection, and on and on and on.

Seems to me what the Repub extremists ( esp. the Tea Party) fear the most is that the times they are a-changing and it's changing in a way that threatens their very existence in their present form, whereas the Dems are more adaptable and favorable to change.

Because Democratic extremists that want tools to be needed to reload a firearm is so mainstream. A Tea Party on their own.

 

[shadow9d9]

Wrong again. Bet a lot of the rich lib 1%ers have illegals cleaning their homes and cutting their grass because it's cheap. You really need to get your head out from between your Obama blow-up doll's legs, breathe some fresh air, and actually find out what conservatives think wrt immigration vs what msnbc tells you about what they think.

You are wrong because internet fellow GUESSES some things happen! You can't hope to beat back such proof!

 

[shadow9d9]

Because Democratic extremists that want tools to be needed to reload a firearm is so mainstream. A Tea Party on their own.

Democrat extremists? Middle/right extremists? How does that work.

Projection is also a beautiful finish. 10/10

 

[shadow9d9]

Afraid of anything they can't control is a blanket statement that pretty much covers it. But do understand the difference between liberals and progressives. You could discuss your differences with a liberal and part as friends, a progressive would prefer to have you silenced for your beliefs.

As an aside, did you see there's going to be new forum by invitation only? How cool is that?

There is no liberal/progressive presence in the US. You do understand that, right? The dems are middle right.

Good job using communism as a booga booga tactic. Communism has never been practiced in real life. A handful of dictatorships who used the allure of communism to set up their dictatorships(oligarchies) doesn't count as communism though. When you need to be disingenuous and use peoples' fears and ignorance to try to scare them, you REALLY know your argument is great!

 

[Xonim]

What makes absolutely zero sense to me is why Democrats and Republicans, including those "extremists" in this thread can't go back to kindergarten in order to relearn compromise. There's entirely too much "my way or the highway" coming from both sides, and it's plain stupid.

Just so it's out of the way, I lean toward Democrat because modern Republicans are on the other side of whacko. However, I am for the most part, with Republicans on entitlements, guns, and to a lesser extent, religion. The decline of Christian / other religious participation over the past several years has, in my experiences, basically mirrored a decline in general friendliness and such in the general population - I do not believe that is just a coincidence. I think we're all undertaxed, not just the rich. Universal healthcare needs to happen. Global warming is a thing, oil doesn't solve everything, and I am not a hippie. Now, moving on:

On the gun issue -- you can't honestly tell me that magazines larger than 10 rounds are required for whatever you want to use your guns for. If you can't hit your target in 10 shots, I don't want you shooting a gun anyway, because you're a terrible shot and bad for my being alive. Restricting large magazines isn't an anti-gun crusade, it's common sense.

Besides, it takes all of 3 seconds to swap clips if you absolutely must. None of the gun laws thus far introduced at a federal level are really all that damaging to anyone who isn't already dead-set on making a fuss over whatever proposed regulations are brought forward. Those are the same idiots that oppose absolutely everything put forth by a Democrat at any level regardless of whether they do now or at any point in the past have shared the same view, so their opinions don't really count anyway. Get over it.

In regards to the ACA -- The entire rest of the developed world has universal health care, but no, they all have it wrong. The ACA is the result of Republicans refusing to take an honest look at a universal health care system. They need to quit whining about it. There also should be a law that throws all affiliates of whatever party out of office when that party votes 30+ times to repeal something. Talk about a waste of taxpayer dollars...and here I thought Republicans were anti-government waste.

 

[nehalem256]

What makes absolutely zero sense to me is why Democrats and Republicans, including those "extremists" in this thread can't go back to kindergarten in order to relearn compromise. There's entirely too much "my way or the highway" coming from both sides, and it's plain stupid.

Just so it's out of the way, I lean toward Democrat because modern Republicans are on the other side of whacko. However, I am for the most part, with Republicans on entitlements, guns, and to a lesser extent, religion. The decline of Christian / other religious participation over the past several years has, in my experiences, basically mirrored a decline in general friendliness and such in the general population - I do not believe that is just a coincidence. I think we're all undertaxed, not just the rich. Universal healthcare needs to happen. Global warming is a thing, oil doesn't solve everything, and I am not a hippie. Now, moving on:

On the gun issue -- you can't honestly tell me that magazines larger than 10 rounds are required for whatever you want to use your guns for. If you can't hit your target in 10 shots, I don't want you shooting a gun anyway, because you're a terrible shot and bad for my being alive. Restricting large magazines isn't an anti-gun crusade, it's common sense.

Besides, it takes all of 3 seconds to swap clips if you absolutely must. None of the gun laws thus far introduced at a federal level are really all that damaging to anyone who isn't already dead-set on making a fuss over whatever proposed regulations are brought forward. Those are the same idiots that oppose absolutely everything put forth by a Democrat at any level regardless of whether they do now or at any point in the past have shared the same view, so their opinions don't really count anyway. Get over it.

In regards to the ACA -- The entire rest of the developed world has universal health care, but no, they all have it wrong. The ACA is the result of Republicans refusing to take an honest look at a universal health care system. They need to quit whining about it. There also should be a law that throws all affiliates of whatever party out of office when that party votes 30+ times to repeal something. Talk about a waste of taxpayer dollars...and here I thought Republicans were anti-government waste.

So out of curiosity what in your examples shows you have learned compromise?

 

[BoberFett]

What makes absolutely zero sense to me is why Democrats and Republicans, including those "extremists" in this thread can't go back to kindergarten in order to relearn compromise. There's entirely too much "my way or the highway" coming from both sides, and it's plain stupid.

Just so it's out of the way, I lean toward Democrat because modern Republicans are on the other side of whacko. However, I am for the most part, with Republicans on entitlements, guns, and to a lesser extent, religion. The decline of Christian / other religious participation over the past several years has, in my experiences, basically mirrored a decline in general friendliness and such in the general population - I do not believe that is just a coincidence. I think we're all undertaxed, not just the rich. Universal healthcare needs to happen. Global warming is a thing, oil doesn't solve everything, and I am not a hippie. Now, moving on:

On the gun issue -- you can't honestly tell me that magazines larger than 10 rounds are required for whatever you want to use your guns for. If you can't hit your target in 10 shots, I don't want you shooting a gun anyway, because you're a terrible shot and bad for my being alive. Restricting large magazines isn't an anti-gun crusade, it's common sense.

Besides, it takes all of 3 seconds to swap clips if you absolutely must. None of the gun laws thus far introduced at a federal level are really all that damaging to anyone who isn't already dead-set on making a fuss over whatever proposed regulations are brought forward. Those are the same idiots that oppose absolutely everything put forth by a Democrat at any level regardless of whether they do now or at any point in the past have shared the same view, so their opinions don't really count anyway. Get over it.

In regards to the ACA -- The entire rest of the developed world has universal health care, but no, they all have it wrong. The ACA is the result of Republicans refusing to take an honest look at a universal health care system. They need to quit whining about it. There also should be a law that throws all affiliates of whatever party out of office when that party votes 30+ times to repeal something. Talk about a waste of taxpayer dollars...and here I thought Republicans were anti-government waste.

Bolded for amusement.

 

[Xonim]

So out of curiosity what in your examples shows you have learned compromise?

Gun control isn't a black and white issue. Non-compromise would be "all guns are now illegal in the hands of citizens." Compromise is "ridiculous things are illegal," which is exactly what is being proposed.

Of course, ridiculous is a matter of opinion, but if you have a legitimate need for a 30 round magazine, I'd like to hear it.

 

[nehalem256]

Gun control isn't a black and white issue. Non-compromise would be "all guns are now illegal in the hands of citizens." Compromise is "ridiculous things are illegal," which is exactly what is being proposed.

Of course, ridiculous is a matter of opinion, but if you have a legitimate need for a 30 round magazine, I'd like to hear it.

You obviously missed my whole point. You started off by saying politicians need to relearn compromise.

You then proceed to detail 2 issues where liberals should get what they want and Republicans need to "Quit whining" and "get over it".

That is not compromise.

 

[BoberFett]

Gun control isn't a black and white issue. Non-compromise would be "all guns are now illegal in the hands of citizens." Compromise is "ridiculous things are illegal," which is exactly what is being proposed.

Of course, ridiculous is a matter of opinion, but if you have a legitimate need for a 30 round magazine, I'd like to hear it.

So your way or the highway?

 

[nehalem256]

Of course, ridiculous is a matter of opinion, but if you have a legitimate need for a 30 round magazine, I'd like to hear it.

If excessive round magazines are unneeded why did the NY ban exempt police? Shouldn't we hold police to the same if not higher standards of marksmanship as ordinary citizens?

 

[thraashman]

You obviously missed my whole point. You started off by saying politicians need to relearn compromise.

You then proceed to detail 2 issues where liberals should get what they want and Republicans need to "Quit whining" and "get over it".

That is not compromise.

He has a point to a degree though, at least in regards to the ACA. The Republicans need to stop whining and get over it until they propose something better than the ACA instead of just trying to get rid of it. Romney and Ryan's plan for example that they proposed (the few details given at least) would statistically be directly responsible for the deaths of something like 20,000 Americans each year, that was not a better plan than the ACA.

The magazine capacity one is one of those knee jerk reaction things that may or may not be effective. I do agree that pretty much no one should have need for a 30 round capacity magazine. But at the same time, banning them would probably have little to no statistical improvement in gun related deaths than having them be legal, so what's the point, it seems a waste of time.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Democrat extremists? Middle/right extremists? How does that work.

Projection is also a beautiful finish. 10/10

How does that work? Well in NY you have a Democratic governor go to a Democratic dominated state assembly and demand that HIS will for gun legislation be implemented, make sure there is no public input, and that there was 20 minutes allowed for debate. The Tea Party is what it is, but none of them have been able to do anything close to that. The idea of representation was shown to be a farce with the Democrats here showing more of a tendency towards tyranny than reason.

You'll come back with "BUT BUT BUT" but that's how it is, and no deflection changes what we have to deal with. Those are extremists. CA is considering extreme and irrational legislation to do nothing but make legitimate and responsible law abiding citizens unable to change a magazine without a tool.

Then you have this 10 shot limit. A hell of a lot of ordinary firearms use more than that, and none have to have 30 rounds. The goal is to make most people felons or surrender what are not by any stretch "assault weapons". Those are your extremists. You are welcome to them, but leave the majority alone.

 

[trenchfoot]

It's historical fact that, as far as the Obama administration is concerned, he and the Dems have bent further right and caved in on issues a whole lot more than the Repubs have so as to protect what the poor, the jobless and our combat disabled veterans were already getting assistance on, of which the Repubs were vociferously demanding we get rid of wholesale, all while these Repubs were incessantly pushing hard for even more tax cuts and corporate welfare for the rich.

I am still amazed at how the Repub leadership can, in reverse Robin Hood fashion, single-mindedly fawn over and kowtow to the rich while attempting to rob their own middle class/poor base of sorely needed social/medical benefits these folks have already paid into and deserve to receive.

I am even more amazed at how these Repub middle class and poor base constituents let their elected elite get away with this blatant scam.

 

[werepossum]

Don't forget fear of beverages larger than 16oz.

LOL /thread

 

[werepossum]

The ONLY point I have made is that people on the left have lots of things they fear, just like people on the right. You're the one who brought up legislation or started assessing which movements were stronger than others.

Sorry, but the agendas of the far ends of both spectrums are driven almost entirely by fear.

Or at least sold almost entirely by fear; one can't help but suspect ulterior motives at times.

 

[shadow9d9]

How does that work? Well in NY you have a Democratic governor go to a Democratic dominated state assembly and demand that HIS will for gun legislation be implemented, make sure there is no public input, and that there was 20 minutes allowed for debate. The Tea Party is what it is, but none of them have been able to do anything close to that. The idea of representation was shown to be a farce with the Democrats here showing more of a tendency towards tyranny than reason.

You'll come back with "BUT BUT BUT" but that's how it is, and no deflection changes what we have to deal with. Those are extremists. CA is considering extreme and irrational legislation to do nothing but make legitimate and responsible law abiding citizens unable to change a magazine without a tool.

Then you have this 10 shot limit. A hell of a lot of ordinary firearms use more than that, and none have to have 30 rounds. The goal is to make most people felons or surrender what are not by any stretch "assault weapons". Those are your extremists. You are welcome to them, but leave the majority alone.

Providing a strawman situation with a strawman rebuttal that you concocted is not evidence.

 

[Xonim]

You obviously missed my whole point. You started off by saying politicians need to relearn compromise.

You then proceed to detail 2 issues where liberals should get what they want and Republicans need to "Quit whining" and "get over it".

That is not compromise.

So how would YOU define compromise in that situation? No gun control whatsoever? Because that's not compromise, that's the Republican way. Complete gun control would be the Democrat way. I would consider gun control on largely unnecessary things, ie, 30 round magazines, to be a compromise.

EDIT: And for the record, I am of the opinion that none of the gun control measures put forth at the federal level thus far are going to have any impact on the number of mass shootings that occur. It's just a way to shut the general public up.

The Republicans need to stop whining and get over it until they propose something better than the ACA instead of just trying to get rid of it.

This, this, this, and this again.