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flavio

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Originally posted by: Damage
Originally posted by: flavio
PROVE that sadam has absolutely no weapons

Prove that you don't have any.

If forced by UN resolution to proove that I don't have WMD I woudl invite you into my house, let you examine anywhere you want and show you all my "old" WMD factories and pray to god you didn't blow my butt away while inspecting..

I would not play this "hide the weapon/nuke" game with thm.. which he has for 12 years.. don't you get that?

How do you know he playing this game you speak of? And maybe you could read my point about UN support I posted twice now.

 

Dari

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The liberals won't tire of their conspiracies and they'll pleading for saddam's innocence until they see a second sun (nuclear holocaust). Wait a minute, they'll just formulate a second theory as to why there is a second sun in the sky. But it'll be too late.

These are probably the same people that would've defended Hitler before they saw the gas chambers and "Jewish ovens."
 

etech

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Originally posted by: flavio
Originally posted by: BigJelly
Originally posted by: flavio
Originally posted by: Jmman
There was a really good analogy on the radio today concerning the situation with Saddam. The commentator was a former law enforcemnent officer and he used the analogy of a drunk driver. Why are we arresting these people? They aren't bothering anybody as long as they don't hit someone or something. Oh, wait a minute, we arrest them because the odds are that they are going to hurt someone eventually. Saddam is a "loaded gun" waiting to go off. I personally do not want to wait until he lobs a scud loaded with an atomic bomb into Israel and the entire middle east (and possibly the world) plunges into chaos ......

That analogy sucks. It's pretty simple to prove if someone is drunk or not.

It's it pretty simple to realize sadam is trying to hide something, so BEST ANALOGY EVER.

Best as in "agrees with what you think" or best as in "not really accurate at all"?

Saddam is on probation. He's finally been pulled over and is refusing to take the breathanlyzer test. There's a couple of 'empty bottles' in the back seat of his car. His driving was erratic and as was pointed out, he has a history of drunk driving.

He goes to jail, not for drunk driving, but for refusing the test. On probation, that's all it takes.

 

flavio

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Originally posted by: BigJelly
Originally posted by: flavio
Originally posted by: BigJelly
Originally posted by: flavio
Originally posted by: Jmman
There was a really good analogy on the radio today concerning the situation with Saddam. The commentator was a former law enforcemnent officer and he used the analogy of a drunk driver. Why are we arresting these people? They aren't bothering anybody as long as they don't hit someone or something. Oh, wait a minute, we arrest them because the odds are that they are going to hurt someone eventually. Saddam is a "loaded gun" waiting to go off. I personally do not want to wait until he lobs a scud loaded with an atomic bomb into Israel and the entire middle east (and possibly the world) plunges into chaos ......

That analogy sucks. It's pretty simple to prove if someone is drunk or not.

It's it pretty simple to realize sadam is trying to hide something, so BEST ANALOGY EVER.

Best as in "agrees with what you think" or best as in "not really accurate at all"?

okay i can see your dodging the issues you LOST at so address this: What would you call what sadam is doing: failing to let scientists meeting with UN inspectors ALONE and have the families safe, not including thousands of pages of NUCLEAR documents found in a scientists home, the weapons and chemicals that were not including in iraqs report to the UN that we KNEW he had in 1995. Address this and you would see he is trying to hide something that is why i said it is a good analogy. (BEST ANALOGY EVER was stolen from the simpson: Fat computer geek "WORST MOVIE EVER")

What did I lose at? I saw you losing on some issues. I also saw YOU dodging a point I've posted twice now.

 

BigJelly

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Originally posted by: flavio
And you didn't repond to my big point so I'll post it again:

"Because you think he probably has them does not seem to be just cause to wage war. I don't like Saddam anymore than you do. But the majority of the country is against war without UN support and I happen to agree that we should do whatever we can to get the support of our allies. Some hard evidence would go a long way."

Reasonable doubt and i answered it before. So answer my question in my post above this.
 

Jmman

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Yeah, Saddam has never done anything to raise doubts about his intentions. He never gassed his own people, attacked Iran, invaded Kuwait, attempted to build a nuclear arsenal, never built up a stockpile of tons of VX, Sarin, Anthrax, attempted to assassinate a former president, violated every UN resolution every made concerning Iraq, attempted to kill his own son, etc. Actually I think we should all fly over there and sit around the campfire and sing a few songs....:confused:
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: Jmman
Yeah, Saddam has never done anything to raise doubts about his intentions. He never gassed his own people, attacked Iran, invaded Kuwait, attempted to build a nuclear arsenal, never built up a stockpile of tons of VX, Sarin, Anthrax, attempted to assassinate a former president, violated every UN resolution every made concerning Iraq, atempted to kill his own son, etc. Actually I think we should all fly over there and sit around the campfire and sing a few songs....:confused:

Now that's what I call tough love.
 

BigJelly

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Flavio, now since i answered YOUR questions, and you still wont touch my questions, heres another one: Where was this whole anti-war movement when clinton was in power and ATTACKED iraq. NO WHERE and you know why, the anti-war movement is really anti-republican movement.
 

Damage

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Originally posted by: flavio
Originally posted by: Damage
Originally posted by: flavio
PROVE that sadam has absolutely no weapons

Prove that you don't have any.

If forced by UN resolution to proove that I don't have WMD I woudl invite you into my house, let you examine anywhere you want and show you all my "old" WMD factories and pray to god you didn't blow my butt away while inspecting..

I would not play this "hide the weapon/nuke" game with thm.. which he has for 12 years.. don't you get that?

How do you know he playing this game you speak of? And maybe you could read my point about UN support I posted twice now.

Ok.. I saw your posts.. THE FIRST TIME.. any they don't have ANY bearing on your argument of "prove you don't have any".. So stop beating this to death.. you have already proven this irrelevant.

We would all enjoy UN support.. DUH.. nothing to prove there.. get off it. If we get it great.. if we don't.. TOO BAD FOR SADDAM..
 

flavio

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Originally posted by: Damage
Originally posted by: flavio
Originally posted by: Damage
Originally posted by: flavio
PROVE that sadam has absolutely no weapons

Prove that you don't have any.

If forced by UN resolution to proove that I don't have WMD I woudl invite you into my house, let you examine anywhere you want and show you all my "old" WMD factories and pray to god you didn't blow my butt away while inspecting..

I would not play this "hide the weapon/nuke" game with thm.. which he has for 12 years.. don't you get that?

How do you know he playing this game you speak of? And maybe you could read my point about UN support I posted twice now.

Ok.. I saw your posts.. THE FIRST TIME.. any they don't have ANY bearing on your argument of "prove you don't have any".. So stop beating this to death.. you have already proven this irrelevant.

We would all enjoy UN support.. DUH.. nothing to prove there.. get off it. If we get it great.. if we don't.. TOO BAD FOR SADDAM..

If you don't get it, I'll elaborate. The majority of U.S. citizens do not support war without UN support. Before proceeding into war it would be a good idea to follow the proper procedures to get UN support AND the support of the majority of U.S. citizens. "Prove he doesn't have any" is not going to get the support of either.

 

BigJelly

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Flavio we said repeatly that we can't prove with ABSOLUTE certainty that he has or doesnt have WMDs. So answer my questions and stop DODGING. Don't tell me to answer and refuse to address my questions AFTER i addressed yours.
 

flavio

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Originally posted by: BigJelly
Flavio we said repeatly that we can't prove with ABSOLUTE certainty that he has or doesnt have WMDs. So answer my questions and stop DODGING. Don't tell me to answer and refuse to address my questions AFTER i addressed yours.

I'll address your question the same way you addressed mine "reasonable doubt". Your two word response seems to work for me too.

 

BigJelly

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Originally posted by: flavio
Originally posted by: BigJelly
Flavio we said repeatly that we can't prove with ABSOLUTE certainty that he has or doesnt have WMDs. So answer my questions and stop DODGING. Don't tell me to answer and refuse to address my questions AFTER i addressed yours.

I'll address your question the same way you addressed mine "reasonable doubt". Your two word response seems to work for me too.

i explained "reasonable doubt" look for it with the FIND feature. Now ANSWER questions, with EXPLANATIONS, or prove your narrow mindedness
 

flavio

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Originally posted by: BigJelly
Originally posted by: flavio
Originally posted by: BigJelly
Flavio we said repeatly that we can't prove with ABSOLUTE certainty that he has or doesnt have WMDs. So answer my questions and stop DODGING. Don't tell me to answer and refuse to address my questions AFTER i addressed yours.

I'll address your question the same way you addressed mine "reasonable doubt". Your two word response seems to work for me too.

i explained "reasonable doubt" look for it FIND feature. Now ANSWER questions, with EXPLANATIONS, or prove your narrow mindedness

Look, I posted the same paragraph twice and the only response you gave was "reasonable doubt" which really doesn't explain jack sh!t about your stance on UN support or the majority of Americans being against action without UN support. Does this mean you have proved your narrow mindedness?

"Reasonable doubt" can be as good an excuse for not invading as it can for invading.

 

Damage

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Originally posted by: flavio
Originally posted by: Damage
Originally posted by: flavio
Originally posted by: Damage
Originally posted by: flavio
PROVE that sadam has absolutely no weapons

Prove that you don't have any.

If forced by UN resolution to proove that I don't have WMD I woudl invite you into my house, let you examine anywhere you want and show you all my "old" WMD factories and pray to god you didn't blow my butt away while inspecting..

I would not play this "hide the weapon/nuke" game with thm.. which he has for 12 years.. don't you get that?

How do you know he playing this game you speak of? And maybe you could read my point about UN support I posted twice now.

Ok.. I saw your posts.. THE FIRST TIME.. any they don't have ANY bearing on your argument of "prove you don't have any".. So stop beating this to death.. you have already proven this irrelevant.

We would all enjoy UN support.. DUH.. nothing to prove there.. get off it. If we get it great.. if we don't.. TOO BAD FOR SADDAM..

If you don't get it, I'll elaborate. The majority of U.S. citizens do not support war without UN support. Before proceeding into war it would be a good idea to follow the proper procedures to get UN support AND the support of the majority of U.S. citizens. "Prove he doesn't have any" is not going to get the support of either.

Sorry Flav. I could have sworn your first post was something like...

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Prove that you don't have any.

So I told you what I would do.. any problem? I like our posts for the most part, but you must be loaded to not get this. The President and I (not that I have anything to say about it) both seek even MORE UN approval before a war.. However the US will not be restrained from it's duty by anyone.
 

flavio

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Originally posted by: Damage

Sorry Flav. I could have sworn your first post was something like...

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Prove that you don't have any.

So I told you what I would do.. any problem?

Sure, what if we really had it in for you and accused you of having some "mobile units"?


I like our posts for the most part, but you must be loaded to not get this. The President and I (not that I have anything to say about it) both seek even MORE UN approval before a war.. However the US will not be restrained from it's duty by anyone.

I believe we may be jumping the gun and by conducting things in the proper way we would find the support of the UN and U.S. citizens. As it is now, our actions don't appear justified.

 

Damage

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Not justified, .. to you...12 years of lying and hiding and defying.. to me.. maybe.....;)
 

flavio

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Originally posted by: Damage
Not justified, .. to you...12 years of lying and hiding and defying.. to me.. maybe.....;)

Not justified to the majority of the U.S. citizens without UN support.

 

JShaker

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Originally posted by: BigJelly
Why is it that the people against bush can only come up with calling him a moron or a nazi. Why don't you PROVE that sadam has absolutely no weapons until then call him a moron, because it takes one to know one.

Because they are innocent until proven guilty. In this case, the onus is on the USA to prove that he has weapons of mass destruction. Finding a missile that carries weapons of mass destruction doesn't mean he has said weapons. Before you attack, PROVE that Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction.
 

Damage

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Originally posted by: flavio
Originally posted by: Damage
Not justified, .. to you...12 years of lying and hiding and defying.. to me.. maybe.....;)

Not justified to the majority of the U.S. citizens without UN support.

Ok.. ok.. ok.. sheez.. define UN support.. The resolutions are passed, the inspectors are ASKING for more time and they are just a tool of the UN not it's dictating body. Shall we wait for everyone to say "Please blow up Saddam for us, PLEASE"?

If you want to be mad at anyone, be mad at congress (at democrat controlled one at that, when passed) that gave the president this authority.

He is GOING to the UN for your approval. Collin WILL present your evidence. I see you worrying about a maybe a little too much.. Give it till the 5th and we'll start up again! ( I promise! hehehe.. I gotta catch some zzzzzz)
 

Damage

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Originally posted by: JShaker
Originally posted by: BigJelly
Why is it that the people against bush can only come up with calling him a moron or a nazi. Why don't you PROVE that sadam has absolutely no weapons until then call him a moron, because it takes one to know one.

Because they are innocent until proven guilty. In this case, the onus is on the USA to prove that he has weapons of mass destruction. Finding a missile that carries weapons of mass destruction doesn't mean he has said weapons. Before you attack, PROVE that Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction.

Sorry, one more post.. On the UN resoultions, the onus is on SADDAM to PROOVE he no longer has the WMD that were already known to be in his possesion.

He has not done so. He is not innocent, he invaded another country, and is on PAROLE, so to speak... Bone up on the UN resolution before you post crap like this. please....;)
 

EndGame

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Originally posted by: flavio
Originally posted by: Damage
Originally posted by: flavio
Originally posted by: Damage
Originally posted by: flavio
PROVE that sadam has absolutely no weapons

Prove that you don't have any.

If forced by UN resolution to proove that I don't have WMD I woudl invite you into my house, let you examine anywhere you want and show you all my "old" WMD factories and pray to god you didn't blow my butt away while inspecting..

I would not play this "hide the weapon/nuke" game with thm.. which he has for 12 years.. don't you get that?

How do you know he playing this game you speak of? And maybe you could read my point about UN support I posted twice now.

Ok.. I saw your posts.. THE FIRST TIME.. any they don't have ANY bearing on your argument of "prove you don't have any".. So stop beating this to death.. you have already proven this irrelevant.

We would all enjoy UN support.. DUH.. nothing to prove there.. get off it. If we get it great.. if we don't.. TOO BAD FOR SADDAM..

If you don't get it, I'll elaborate. The majority of U.S. citizens do not support war without UN support. Before proceeding into war it would be a good idea to follow the proper procedures to get UN support AND the support of the majority of U.S. citizens. "Prove he doesn't have any" is not going to get the support of either.

This pretty much covers it;



  • In the Gallup poll taken immediately following the speech, support for military action in Iraq went up to 77 percent regardless of U.N. support. Democrats came out swinging against him on domestic issues, but their reaction on Iraq was mixed. Rep Dick Gephardt reiterated his strong support for the President on Iraq while Senator Edward Kennedy requested a return visit to give specifics on the evidence.

The above is a exerpt from an email alert I received this AM, but, it seems to show US support rising substancially.
 

SnapIT

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Originally posted by: BigJelly
Originally posted by: flavio
Originally posted by: BigJelly
Originally posted by: flavio
Originally posted by: Jmman
There was a really good analogy on the radio today concerning the situation with Saddam. The commentator was a former law enforcemnent officer and he used the analogy of a drunk driver. Why are we arresting these people? They aren't bothering anybody as long as they don't hit someone or something. Oh, wait a minute, we arrest them because the odds are that they are going to hurt someone eventually. Saddam is a "loaded gun" waiting to go off. I personally do not want to wait until he lobs a scud loaded with an atomic bomb into Israel and the entire middle east (and possibly the world) plunges into chaos ......

That analogy sucks. It's pretty simple to prove if someone is drunk or not.

It's it pretty simple to realize sadam is trying to hide something, so BEST ANALOGY EVER.

Best as in "agrees with what you think" or best as in "not really accurate at all"?

okay i can see your dodging the issues you LOST at so address this: What would you call what sadam is doing: failing to let scientists meeting with UN inspectors ALONE and have the families safe, not including thousands of pages of NUCLEAR documents found in a scientists home, the weapons and chemicals that were not including in iraqs report to the UN that we KNEW he had in 1995. Address this and you would see he is trying to hide something that is why i said it is a good analogy. (BEST ANALOGY EVER was stolen from the simpson: Fat computer geek "WORST MOVIE EVER")

Nuclear documents huh? LMAO... i wouldn't want to have them in my home...