How is anyone going to have any sort of basic immunity if everything is devoid of any basic bacteria?
It's all part of the admin's program to conserve energy. The glow from long lasting, irradiated lettuce and spinach will replace power hungry refrigerator light bulbs. :light:
There may be a side benefit if you eat irradiated veggies. You may be able to get a job as a night light.
NikolaeVarius
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Being irradiated doesn't mean the vegetables die..
And also, last time I checked, Vitamins don't have DNA, so radiation would be harmless against them
Originally posted by: bamacre
I'd prefer a much less corrupt organization do their job.
You mean you'd prefer no organization at all. I'll take the supposed corrupt vs. none.
Its like you live in fantasy land. You dream of a time when the government stayed out of issues like this as if it was a better era. Do you have a clue?
I think you are missing his point. I think he means federal government oversight like that of the FDA. I agree, I would much rather have each state have their own organization or a private one. Competition is good IMO. The better the company or organization is that does the job, the more business (trust) they will get.
bamacre
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Originally posted by: Excelsior
Originally posted by: bamacre
I'd prefer a much less corrupt organization do their job.
You mean you'd prefer no organization at all. I'll take the supposed corrupt vs. none.
Uh, no, that's not what I said. And "supposed" my ass, the FDA is full of corruption. Look into it.
What's cloning got to do with it. Plant cloning is a perfectly natural and normal way for plants to reproduce. Humans have been eating cloned plants since the beginning of the human race.
Logic dictates that irradiated foods will continue to grow and mutate inside of you and cause your body to explode. No thanks.
ever get the feeling all of these "contaminated" vegetable scares were just a prelude to this?
Don't get me wrong, I think it's great. Don't stop with veggies, hit the meat too. Hell, if you really want to cut down on illnesses in this country, irradiate daycares too!
Don't get me wrong, I think it's great. Don't stop with veggies, hit the meat too. Hell, if you really want to cut down on illnesses in this country, irradiate daycares too!
This should also work for meat that's full of maggots. And lots of good stuff can be recycled our of the garbage.
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Excelsior
Originally posted by: bamacre
I'd prefer a much less corrupt organization do their job.
You mean you'd prefer no organization at all. I'll take the supposed corrupt vs. none.
Uh, no, that's not what I said. And "supposed" my ass, the FDA is full of corruption. Look into it.
Sure, each state could do it. That might be better, but a private one? No. If oversight is what you're looking for, letting a private company do it doesn't make sense.
bamacre
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Originally posted by: Excelsior
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Excelsior
Originally posted by: bamacre
I'd prefer a much less corrupt organization do their job.
You mean you'd prefer no organization at all. I'll take the supposed corrupt vs. none.
Uh, no, that's not what I said. And "supposed" my ass, the FDA is full of corruption. Look into it.
Sure, each state could do it. That might be better, but a private one? No. If oversight is what you're looking for, letting a private company do it doesn't make sense.
I'm sure you'll change your mind when the FDA says you need a prescription for Vitamin C tablets.
Here's a modest proposal, if you don't want fecal matter on your foods:
a) don't apply it to the fields
b) don't let it flow unchecked into the waterways that are used for irrigation
c) don't grow your produce in areas where it is susceptible to being contaminated by nearby pollution sources
As for getting produce of high quality, here's another modest proposal -- get rid of some of that ginormously useless lawn you may have and plant some vegetables, fruit, greens, et. al.!
We've got some corn, cucumbers, zucchini, lettuce, kale, collards, chard, chives, garlic, broccoli, onions, tomatoes, and several others all growing organically and that's with less than probably 70 square feet of space devoted to them, and certainly not on a farm. Lose a few of the rose bushes or lawn areas and plant some nice organic produce that will both look lovely, and be fresher and more delicious than what you could probably buy at the market.
As for irradiation, I'm a little shocked at some of the "urban legend" quality comments about it only harming things with DNA. What, you thinkgamma rays have little DNA seeking homing devices and they only affect bacterial nuclei. Think of it like a golf ball hit off inside of a glass house. Whatever it hits it is going to break, speaking of any chemical bonds regardless of what chemical it is inside. We can argue about dose effects of the ionizing beam and how bad that may be at creating problematic chemical compounds, but to believe it is somehow safe because it affects NOTHING but bacteria / DNA is something that shouldn't have passed a 7th grade science quiz.
Personally I'd rather not have fecal matter on my food whether sterilized or not, nor do I see a reason to import a lot of food from Mexico when I can walk ten feet and import it from my own garden instead.
a) don't apply it to the fields
b) don't let it flow unchecked into the waterways that are used for irrigation
c) don't grow your produce in areas where it is susceptible to being contaminated by nearby pollution sources
As for getting produce of high quality, here's another modest proposal -- get rid of some of that ginormously useless lawn you may have and plant some vegetables, fruit, greens, et. al.!
We've got some corn, cucumbers, zucchini, lettuce, kale, collards, chard, chives, garlic, broccoli, onions, tomatoes, and several others all growing organically and that's with less than probably 70 square feet of space devoted to them, and certainly not on a farm. Lose a few of the rose bushes or lawn areas and plant some nice organic produce that will both look lovely, and be fresher and more delicious than what you could probably buy at the market.
As for irradiation, I'm a little shocked at some of the "urban legend" quality comments about it only harming things with DNA. What, you thinkgamma rays have little DNA seeking homing devices and they only affect bacterial nuclei. Think of it like a golf ball hit off inside of a glass house. Whatever it hits it is going to break, speaking of any chemical bonds regardless of what chemical it is inside. We can argue about dose effects of the ionizing beam and how bad that may be at creating problematic chemical compounds, but to believe it is somehow safe because it affects NOTHING but bacteria / DNA is something that shouldn't have passed a 7th grade science quiz.
Personally I'd rather not have fecal matter on my food whether sterilized or not, nor do I see a reason to import a lot of food from Mexico when I can walk ten feet and import it from my own garden instead.
True, but it preserves more than other methods of sterilization, such as cooking.
Salads are a problem as they aren't cooked. However, strict farming practices limit the microbial contamination of the salads. Even so, salads are known to have much higher levels of contamination than other foods - people with weak immune systems are advised by the doctors, not to eat salads for this reason.
Irradiation is a useful method for improving the safety of foods, with little change in nutritional value, but it should not be used as an alternative to good farming practices.
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