FBI uncovered Russian bribery plot before Obama admn approved nuclear deal

[soundforbjt]

Don't know if there was a thread on this, but here's a link on republicans taking money from Putin in directly https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/...connects-russian-oligarch-money-gop-campaigns

 

[emperus]

Lol. We have one of the most corrupt sitting Presidents in recent history and the right is talking about Hilary and a Uranium deal. Derp Derp Derp. Maybe with the same gusto, the right can ask questions about all Trumps' myriad deals in Russia and around the world or just ask questions about his advisers business interests and how they intersect with their jobs (Kushner to be one). Fuxing remarkable how easily activated and tricked so many people are that they can't see the actual danger in front of them.

 

[OutHouse]

So you're perfectly ok with the fact that Trump colluded with the Russians as long as that collusion was somehow less than Obama's or the Clintons?
And this is why I hate whataboutism. "My guy is just as bad as your guy which makes my guy better." Idiot.

First off its been a year and there is still no proof that trump colluded with the Russians. Nothing but mud slinging by the guys who lost.

where did I say i was ok with trump talking to the russians, please quote me. The things that you assholes assume on here is just mind boggling. I have no problem calling out wrong, i dont give a fuck who the person is or what stupid political party they are with. What i have issues with are the mindless drones (most of them democrats)in here who support and defend the party and their dear leaders at all cost. its downright scary how lock step some of the people are in here.

 

[Vic]

First off its been a year and there is still no proof that trump colluded with the Russians. Nothing but mud slinging by the guys who lost.

where did I say i was ok with trump talking to the russians, please quote me. The things that you assholes assume on here is just mind boggling. I have no problem calling out wrong, i dont give a fuck who the person is or what stupid political party they are with. What i have issues with are the mindless drones (most of them democrats)in here who support and defend the party and their dear leaders at all cost. its downright scary how lock step some of the people are in here.

That's a whole lot of projection there, guy. I don't even where to start, so I won't.
No one here is defending any Dear Leaders except for the Trumpers.

 

[Vic]

And now watch as the Trump admin spends the next 3 years chasing after their own Emmanuel Goldstein (aka Hillary) in order to distract the people from their own incompetence, corruption, and attacks on the Constitution.

 

[Grooveriding]

First off its been a year and there is still no proof that trump colluded with the Russians. Nothing but mud slinging by the guys who lost.

where did I say i was ok with trump talking to the russians, please quote me. The things that you assholes assume on here is just mind boggling. I have no problem calling out wrong, i dont give a fuck who the person is or what stupid political party they are with. What i have issues with are the mindless drones (most of them democrats)in here who support and defend the party and their dear leaders at all cost. its downright scary how lock step some of the people are in here.

His son admitted to collusion... Pull your head out and come up for air.

 

[Vic]

I mean, I don't want to go off topic or anything but, in between insulting Gold Star families (again) and telling lies about political opponents, the sitting President of the United States has spent the past few weeks telling the American people that the free exercise of their 1st amendment rights is unpatriotic, and that American citizens should be "forced" (and I do quote) into the government's pre-approved patriotic display. But Hillary, right? Fuck you.

 

[realibrad]

And now watch as the Trump admin spends the next 3 years chasing after their own Emmanuel Goldstein (aka Hillary) in order to distract the people from their own incompetence, corruption, and attacks on the Constitution.

Didn't Hillary say the point of 1984 was that people did not rely and trust our leaders enough?

Maybe, we should not trust our leaders so blindly, be it Hillary or Trump.

 

[Jhhnn]

First off its been a year and there is still no proof that trump colluded with the Russians. Nothing but mud slinging by the guys who lost.

where did I say i was ok with trump talking to the russians, please quote me. The things that you assholes assume on here is just mind boggling. I have no problem calling out wrong, i dont give a fuck who the person is or what stupid political party they are with. What i have issues with are the mindless drones (most of them democrats)in here who support and defend the party and their dear leaders at all cost. its downright scary how lock step some of the people are in here.

Remarkable. You previously asserted that the Russians financed Clinton via their "crooked" charity & that they were stealing our yellowcake. When challenged, you offered no proof as to the former & pointedly ignored acknowledging your mistake wrt to the latter-

remind me again what political party the Clinton Foundation is associated with? how many millions did the russians "Donate" to charity to grease the sitting secretary of state? Oh and lets add that all the Yellow Cake uranium the russians are mining in our country is being shipped out and nobody knows where its going.

But it's the other guys who are partisan & wrong, at least in your mind.

You're right about "proof of collusion"- kinda. I mean, Junior admitted that he showed up at a meeting with Russians in hopes of collusion but claims they didn't offer any... And it's perfectly obvious that Russia mounted an enormous propaganda campaign through social & state owned media designed to tear down Clinton on behalf of Trump. Donald even called out for their help but, uhh, never mind all of that.

 

[Vic]

Didn't Hillary say the point of 1984 was that people did not rely and trust our leaders enough?

Maybe, we should not trust our leaders so blindly, be it Hillary or Trump.

"But Hillary!"

 

[Jhhnn]

Didn't Hillary say the point of 1984 was that people did not rely and trust our leaders enough?

Maybe, we should not trust our leaders so blindly, be it Hillary or Trump.

That's completely out of context-

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/sep/14/hillary-clinton-lesson-1984-trust-leaders-press/

 

[brandonbull]

Remarkable. You previously asserted that the Russians financed Clinton via their "crooked" charity & that they were stealing our yellowcake. When challenged, you offered no proof as to the former & pointedly ignored acknowledging your mistake wrt to the latter-



But it's the other guys who are partisan & wrong, at least in your mind.

You're right about "proof of collusion"- kinda. I mean, Junior admitted that he showed up at a meeting with Russians in hopes of collusion but claims they didn't offer any... And it's perfectly obvious that Russia mounted an enormous propaganda campaign through social & state owned media designed to tear down Clinton on behalf of Trump. Donald even called out for their help but, uhh, never mind all of that.

The FBI has some evidence about Clinton ,Russians, and bribes. The US only produces ~2% of world uranium production, but Kazakhstan produces much much more and that was the real target.

 

[realibrad]

"But Hillary!"

I feel like "Benghazi" fits better here. That said, you bringing up Orwell and thus 1984 is interesting. Sometimes leaders go against logic and reason and we should not blindly trust them. I think trusting leaders is a bad idea to do generally. Even worse an idea when we have Bigly leaders.

 

[realibrad]

That's completely out of context-

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/sep/14/hillary-clinton-lesson-1984-trust-leaders-press/

So the link provide by you does not even give the quote. The full quote is basically saying we should use logic, reason, and trust our leaders and press. I find the logic and reason part... reasonable. The trusting of leaders and press is amazingly bad though. What press do you trust? What leader do you Trust?

Why not just use reason and logic to filter out BS in an attempt to find truth. I see no reason to trust the press or leaders. I do find value in reason and logic. If the press or any leadership goes against logic and reason then I want more than "ill drain the swamp, trust me".

 

[Jhhnn]

So the link provide by you does not even give the quote. The full quote is basically saying we should use logic, reason, and trust our leaders and press. I find the logic and reason part... reasonable. The trusting of leaders and press is amazingly bad though. What press do you trust? What leader do you Trust?

Why not just use reason and logic to filter out BS in an attempt to find truth. I see no reason to trust the press or leaders. I do find value in reason and logic. If the press or any leadership goes against logic and reason then I want more than "ill drain the swamp, trust me".

The quote is right there in black & white. If you have something different, offer it up.

What's happened to us is that divisive right wing propagandists have perfected the art of spreading fear, uncertainty & distrust. It's deeper than you think because it affects people's basic attitudes about our country & each other. Those efforts are obviously not confined to American actors, either. Quite the contrary. Putin's Russia set out to mess with our minds & did so very effectively, carrying the message of irrational Hillary hate to new heights in social media right alongside those of the Repubs, the Alt-right & the Trump campaign.

 

[zinfamous]

and you really think she would admit to corruption in her taxes? how dumb do you think she is?

So Trump really is an idiot then and this is why he keeps his taxes hidden, because he basically circled "all of his corruption" with giant cock n ball scribbles?

Hey, at least we could trust that someone like Hillary isn't as fucking stupid as you suggest Trump actually is, right? 😀

 

[zinfamous]

First off its been a year and there is still no proof that trump colluded with the Russians. Nothing but mud slinging by the guys who lost.

If you can believe that Bill Clinton is a proven rapist simply because he rode on a plane that some other dude often uses at other times to shuffle people off to rape island, yet deny any evidence of Trump collusion when we have documented, admitted, meetings between Trump Jr and Russian liaisons within Trump tower, a few floors from where Trump himself was supposedly sitting, then I wonder why you continue to think anyone takes you seriously?

Do you realize that your head is completely full of shit?

 

[brycejones]

His son admitted to collusion... Pull your head out and come up for air.

His brain died from oxygen starvation long again, its a rotten vegetable that keeps posting.

 

[realibrad]

The quote is right there in black & white. If you have something different, offer it up.

What's happened to us is that divisive right wing propagandists have perfected the art of spreading fear, uncertainty & distrust. It's deeper than you think because it affects people's basic attitudes about our country & each other. Those efforts are obviously not confined to American actors, either. Quite the contrary. Putin's Russia set out to mess with our minds & did so very effectively, carrying the message of irrational Hillary hate to new heights in social media right alongside those of the Repubs, the Alt-right & the Trump campaign.

The right wing has been spreading fud for a while now. They are indeed very good, but make no mistake the left is starting to use those same tools. The left has a very long way to go before they are even close, but the fact they too are inclined to follow that path is scary as hell. FEMA death camps, medical death panels ect are squarely lies from the Right.

What got the left was not the idea that Hillary was irrational, or that she was not qualified. What got her was the left being PC, and her connections to big corporations. The big corporations thing should have been easy to deal with, but she stayed away from it for the most part. The PC thing she could not touch.

Those in the middle were the ones the left needed to reach. Those on the right just like on the left had their man from the start no matter if it was person A or B. Those in the middle tuned out the left because for this election, they were just as crazy as the left in terms of supporters believing dumb shit. Once the left lost its cred with the middle, Trump seems like a gamble that could pay off. It wont of course, but they were willing to try. Nothing will change with Hillary, something might change with Trump.

Personally I would rather no progress than Trump.

 

[ivwshane]

Seriously, fuck you and your both sides bullshit.

Hillary also won moderates by 11 points so that blows away your other bullshit theory.

The right wing has been spreading fud for a while now. They are indeed very good, but make no mistake the left is starting to use those same tools. The left has a very long way to go before they are even close, but the fact they too are inclined to follow that path is scary as hell. FEMA death camps, medical death panels ect are squarely lies from the Right.

What got the left was not the idea that Hillary was irrational, or that she was not qualified. What got her was the left being PC, and her connections to big corporations. The big corporations thing should have been easy to deal with, but she stayed away from it for the most part. The PC thing she could not touch.

Those in the middle were the ones the left needed to reach. Those on the right just like on the left had their man from the start no matter if it was person A or B. Those in the middle tuned out the left because for this election, they were just as crazy as the left in terms of supporters believing dumb shit. Once the left lost its cred with the middle, Trump seems like a gamble that could pay off. It wont of course, but they were willing to try. Nothing will change with Hillary, something might change with Trump.

Personally I would rather no progress than Trump.

 

[realibrad]

Seriously, fuck you and your both sides bullshit.

Hillary also won moderates by 11 points so that blows away your other bullshit theory.

That voted. We had massive amounts of people stay home. If people really did understand how bad Trump was, then where were they? How do people know how bad Trump is, and how much better Hillary was, and stay home? You tell me where the message was missed.

Again, Hillary had no chance of getting those on the Right, just like Trump had no chance with those on the Left. What happened was that people stayed home.

Also, I said the left is far better than the right. How is that both sides? I really do want to know.

 

[Ackmed]

People still trying to popular vote excuse I see. If that is what mattered, they both would have ran differently. They both knew the rules, that is what they went by. It is a little funny that Hillary is all about how you must take the election results, now doesn't want to. The left trying to take out the electoral process.

Eric Holder was the Attorney General when the FBI began uncovering the Russian corruption scheme in 2009. Since the FBI reports to him, he surely knew what the bureau had uncovered.

What’s more, Holder was a member of the “Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States” which approved the uranium sale to the Russians in 2010. Since the vote was unanimous, it appears Holder knowingly and deliberately countenanced a deal that was based on illegal activities and which gave Moscow control of more than 20 percent of America’s uranium assets.

It gets worse. Robert Mueller was the FBI Director during the time of the Russian uranium probe, and so was his successor James Comey who took over in 2013 as the FBI was still developing the case. Rod Rosenstein, then-U.S. Attorney, was supervising the case. There is no indication that any of these men ever told Congress of all the incriminating evidence they had discovered and the connection to Clinton. The entire matter was kept secret from the American public.

It may be no coincidence that Mueller (now special counsel) and Rosenstein (now Deputy Attorney General) are the two top people currently investigating whether the Trump campaign conspired with the Russians to influence the 2016 presidential election. Mueller reports to Rosenstein, while Comey is a key witness in the case.

It is not unreasonable to conclude that Mueller, Rosenstein and Comey may have covered up potential crimes involving Clinton and Russia, but are now determined to find some evidence that Trump “colluded” with Russia.

If none of this bothers the people claiming that this isn't a big deal, then you do not have any ground to stand on anything Trump/Russia related. It at least warrants looking into, dismissing it as it is nothing short of bias and shortsighted.

 

[OutHouse]

If you can believe that Bill Clinton is a proven rapist simply because he rode on a plane

who said i believed that? stop with the projection bullshit.

 

[fskimospy]

People still trying to popular vote excuse I see. If that is what mattered, they both would have ran differently. They both knew the rules, that is what they went by. It is a little funny that Hillary is all about how you must take the election results, now doesn't want to. The left trying to take out the electoral process.

Can you provide a single example of Clinton refusing to accept the election results?

As for 'they would have ran differently' there's little evidence that campaigns would make up that much of a difference. If anything switching to a popular vote would probably help Democrats as they have a lot more room to run up the score in some populous blue states so her victory would have been even larger.

If none of this bothers the people claiming that this isn't a big deal, then you do not have any ground to stand on anything Trump/Russia related. It at least warrants looking into, dismissing it as it is nothing short of bias and shortsighted.

Oh give me a break. What people in this thread are saying is that conservatives have jumped to ridiculous conclusions about wrongdoing based on no evidence. I find it amusing that conservatives dismiss large amounts of evidence of wrongdoing on the part of Trump's associates as a witch hunt and then spin no evidence of Clinton wrongdoing into some sort of criminal enterprise on her part.

I guess it just speaks to how irrational people get when their political sports affiliation takes their thinking over.

 

[brandonbull]

If you can believe that Bill Clinton is a proven rapist simply because he rode on a plane that some other dude often uses at other times to shuffle people off to rape island, yet deny any evidence of Trump collusion when we have documented, admitted, meetings between Trump Jr and Russian liaisons within Trump tower, a few floors from where Trump himself was supposedly sitting, then I wonder why you continue to think anyone takes you seriously?

Do you realize that your head is completely full of shit?

What about Billy C and the Arkansas state police?