FBI reopens investigation into Clinton email use

[OutHouse]

The new political realignment is not about rich vs poor, it's about smart vs stupid. Smart sees a future for themselves, stupid doesn't, so all they have left is to throw grenades and hope something changes.

Also remember, if the economy crashes, it's Trump supporters who are going to get laid off first, and get their houses foreclosed, while at the same time, the elites they hate so much will get access to more cheap money from the Fed eager to offset the damage of Trump uncertainty, on top of the tax cuts Trump will give them. So the elites will buy these assets on the cheap, and will rent them back to previous owners dear. If the useful idiots ever manage to save up to buy another house and rebuild their credit, they will have to pay a high price to compete with easily available cheap money, meaning living paycheck to paycheck and barely making it, angry at the "establishment" for their predicament, ready for the next Trump, wash, rinse, and repeat. Like taking candy from a baby, except the baby doesn't do it to itself.

you sure do have some fantastic pie in the sky predictions. drugs?

 

[ivwshane]

If there is a 3rd party candidate whose positions match yours reasonably closely you should vote for them. Even though they won't win, the winning candidate will notice if they gain a significant fraction of the vote and may change their own positions accordingly. That's the primary reason I'm voting Johnson, I'm hoping he gains enough vote share to shame the winner into turning away from the dark side on civil liberties. If Johnson gained say 10% of the vote and got Clinton (presuming she won) to change sides on NSA evesdropping it would be the best success for a 3rd party candidate you could hope for, PLUS your vote wouldn't be demonstrating approval for either Clinton or Trump and validating their other terrible positions and appalling character faults. Would be the same thing if you felt strongly about some position that Jill Stein agreed with. Either Stein or Johnson is a better vote than Trump/Clinton.

Yep! I totally remember how Perot moved various candidates towards his political leanings/policies just as they did when nader ran.

/s

 

[LegendKiller]

Whoops, now nate is starting to wake up to how far out on the limb he is. Starting to walk back the polls now, blaming response bias. Lol. Sure nate.

He now knows his entire job is at risk. He doesn't want to end up like donna.

Ohh, and obama just threw hillary under the bus. Comey not being partisan. Gotta look out for your own shitty "legacy".

 

[ivwshane]

you sure do have some fantastic pie in the sky predictions. drugs?

Its called reality, you should look into it sometime.

Or if that's too much for you, you could also look into history and see what he's talking about did actually happen when the economy tanked.

I can see why you'd be offended though as even you are aware you'd be in camp stupid

 

[fskimospy]

Yep! I totally remember how Perot moved various candidates towards his political leanings/policies just as they did when nader ran.

/s

It's amazing how few people seemed to learn the lesson of 2000. Third party candidates aren't going to sway the major parties, and the idea that both major party candidates are somehow equally bad is comically false. This is probably the only US election in history where one of the candidates is a genuine threat to the stability of our country. The choice has never been easier.

 

[skull]

I don't know how anyone can possibly stomach voting for either of these candidates. I was leaning towards Clinton even though I don't like her one bit, but all this stuff is just too much. No way am I voting for either of these pieces of shit. I'm going to vote for the other positions, but not for either of the presidential candidates.

Amen I'd lean toward trump but I hate him too.

I didn't read the whole thread but I love all these liberals saying non of this matters. What they don't realize is they sound just like trump supporters saying non of his bs matters. It all matters dumbasses, being a party shill is how we end up with two dumbass candidates.

 

[ivwshane]

It's amazing how few people seemed to learn the lesson of 2000. Third party candidates aren't going to sway the major parties, and the idea that both major party candidates are somehow equally bad is comically false. This is probably the only US election in history where one of the candidates is a genuine threat to the stability of our country. The choice has never been easier.

That only applies if you live in reality. Sadly, in a country where people believe the government is running an exercise to implement marital law and take away their guns, or voter fraud is a real danger, or any number of conspiracy theories, there are many who don't live in reality.

 

[ivwshane]

Amen I'd lean toward trump but I hate him too.

I didn't read the whole thread but I love all these liberals saying non of this matters. What they don't realize is they sound just like trump supporters saying non of his bs matters. It all matters dumbasses, being a party shill is how we end up with two dumbass candidates.

No. Lacking critical thinking and refusing to critically think is how we end up with dumb ass candidates. That's why Republicans have trump as their candidate and its why we have people who simply throw up their hands and say both choices suck.

 

[theeedude]

you sure do have some fantastic pie in the sky predictions. drugs?

It's going to trickle down any time now, you just keep waiting.

 

[glenn1]

Yep! I totally remember how Perot moved various candidates towards his political leanings/policies just as they did when nader ran.

/s

Yeah, it took losing the House for Clinton to adopt Perot's 1992 stance on deficit reduction and work to welfare. And it took until the second Obama term to get aboard with his 1992 support for gay rights, and still have been incompetent at implementing Perot's 1992 stance on Medicare for all.

 

[nageov3t]

Whoops, now nate is starting to wake up to how far out on the limb he is. Starting to walk back the polls now, blaming response bias. Lol. Sure nate.

how far out on the limb? of all the polling models out there, 538 has been one of the most conservative (compared to, say, the NYTimes model that had Trump's chances of winning at 2%)

 

[Jaskalas]

Of course not, on what basis would you want charges or convictions if he did? Please cite the specific law and how you think it applies.

It's pretty strange that you have such a strong opinion on this considering it seems to have no grounding in the law or in reality. You have almost certainly been in possession of classified information in your life. Should you be jailed?

You've been so busy circling the wagons to stop Trump, you are now ignorant of Hillary Clinton's crimes?

Hillary Clinton Emails Held Info Beyond Top Secret: IG

An intelligence official familiar with the matter told NBC News that the special access program in question was so sensitive that McCullough and some of his aides had to receive clearance to be read in on it before viewing the sworn declaration about the Clinton emails.​

Charles McCulllough, the intelligence community's inspector general
The moment he says this in Congress.

Top Secret SAP Intelligence on Clinton’s Email Server

However, gross negligence is enough to prosecute under the Espionage Act, and Clinton somehow managed to transfer Top Secret information onto an unguarded private server.​

Hillary Clinton exchanged top secret emails on her private server with three aides

The seven email chains, the State Department said, would cause "exceptionally grave damage" to national security if publicly released.
​

Even the OCIG needed special access, and cannot reveal who or what the information is about. Congress has no authority or permission to see it. But you're right. You, me and everyday Americans probably have it sitting on our desks... probably thanks to Huma and Anthony via Hillary Clinton's crimes.

 

[skull]

That only applies if you live in reality. Sadly, in a country where people believe the government is running an exercise to implement marital law and take away their guns, or voter fraud is a real danger, or any number of conspiracy theories, there are many who don't live in reality.

I'm not worried about clinton taking my guns, she can come and try. What I worry about is this nanny state, lose all your freedoms so people won't be offended shit. Plus being taxed to death so the government can waste it all. Didn't we fight the british over bullshit taxes? Lets see federal income tax, state income taxes, city income taxes, property taxes, sales tax, gas tax, alcohol tax and people like clinton want to come in and take more of our money. Thats not even counting social security and medicare when is enough, enough?

 

[ivwshane]

Yeah, it took losing the House for Clinton to adopt Perot's 1992 stance on deficit reduction and work to welfare. And it took until the second Obama term to get aboard with his 1992 support for gay rights, and still have been incompetent at implementing Perot's 1992 stance on Medicare for all.

Lol, yeah, that was all perot! Clinton never had his own policies on any of that!

http://www.4president.org/brochures/billclinton1992brochure.htm

Are you just a liar or will you be claiming ignorance?

 

[theeedude]

It's kind of ironic that the FBI director breaks own department rules and possibly law while investigating Hillary Clinton for doing same.
It's been an interesting election so far.

 

[skull]

No. Lacking critical thinking and refusing to critically think is how we end up with dumb ass candidates. That's why Republicans have trump as their candidate and its why we have people who simply throw up their hands and say both choices suck.

Yeah Yeah don't you realize as an average joe, if you are one. You'd be in jail just for admitting you destroyed evidence. Here in ohio its called obstruction of justice and any normal person would be booked and indicted on it.

 

[fskimospy]

You've been so busy circling the wagons to stop Trump, you are now ignorant of Hillary Clinton's crimes?

Hillary Clinton Emails Held Info Beyond Top Secret: IG

An intelligence official familiar with the matter told NBC News that the special access program in question was so sensitive that McCullough and some of his aides had to receive clearance to be read in on it before viewing the sworn declaration about the Clinton emails.​

Charles McCulllough, the intelligence community's inspector general
The moment he says this in Congress.

Top Secret SAP Intelligence on Clinton’s Email Server

However, gross negligence is enough to prosecute under the Espionage Act, and Clinton somehow managed to transfer Top Secret information onto an unguarded private server.​

Hillary Clinton exchanged top secret emails on her private server with three aides

The seven email chains, the State Department said, would cause "exceptionally grave damage" to national security if publicly released.
​

Even the OCIG needed special access, and cannot reveal who or what the information is about. Congress has no authority or permission to see it. But you're right. You, me and everyday Americans probably have it sitting on our desks... probably thanks to Huma and Anthony via Hillary Clinton's crimes.

Where are the crimes there? I don't believe you have a strong grasp of the law here.

By your logic you should be in prison.

 

[ivwshane]

I'm not worried about clinton taking my guns, she can come and try. What I worry about is this nanny state, lose all your freedoms so people won't be offended shit. Plus being taxed to death so the government can waste it all. Didn't we fight the british over bullshit taxes? Lets see federal income tax, state income taxes, city income taxes, property taxes, sales tax, gas tax, alcohol tax and people like clinton want to come in and take more of our money. Thats not even counting social security and medicare when is enough, enough?

That's fucking hilarious! Does that mean you still support the guy who has said he wants to strengthen libel laws to make it easier to sue people? Does that mean you still support the guy whose tax plan will actually raise taxes on the poorest and keep most people taxes the same while the people at the top get tax breaks? Does that mean you still support the guy whose tax plan will add trillions to the debt?

And NO we didn't fight the British over taxes! We fought them because we weren't being represented despite paying taxes. Perhaps you've heard of the phrase "taxation without representation".


This poster exhibits the exact problem that our democracy faces, folks! An uneducated electorate. The level of stupidity a growing number of voters are exhibiting will not bode well for our future.

 

[Pens1566]

Whoops, now nate is starting to wake up to how far out on the limb he is. Starting to walk back the polls now, blaming response bias. Lol. Sure nate.

He now knows his entire job is at risk. He doesn't want to end up like donna.

Ohh, and obama just threw hillary under the bus. Comey not being partisan. Gotta look out for your own shitty "legacy".

What in the blue hell are you babbling about here?

 

[fskimospy]

I'm not worried about clinton taking my guns, she can come and try. What I worry about is this nanny state, lose all your freedoms so people won't be offended shit. Plus being taxed to death so the government can waste it all. Didn't we fight the british over bullshit taxes? Lets see federal income tax, state income taxes, city income taxes, property taxes, sales tax, gas tax, alcohol tax and people like clinton want to come in and take more of our money. Thats not even counting social security and medicare when is enough, enough?

No, we fought the British over a lack of representation in parliament. ('No taxation without representation' ring a bell?)

US taxes as a percentage of GDP are among the lowest in the industrialized world. How do you square that with being 'taxed to death'?

 

[zinfamous]

Whoops, now nate is starting to wake up to how far out on the limb he is. Starting to walk back the polls now, blaming response bias. Lol. Sure nate.

He now knows his entire job is at risk. He doesn't want to end up like donna.

Ohh, and obama just threw hillary under the bus. Comey not being partisan. Gotta look out for your own shitty "legacy".

Actually, Silver's poll averaging has shown a slightly stronger Trump bias compared to other polls, but then you'd have to be paying attention to know that.

 

[ivwshane]

Yeah Yeah don't you realize as an average joe, if you are one. You'd be in jail just for admitting you destroyed evidence. Here in ohio its called obstruction of justice and any normal person would be booked and indicted on it.

What evidence did Clinton destroy? Emails? She handed her emails over to a third party and told them to go through them and determine what was personal and what isn't and to turn over those work related emails and delete the personal ones. She did this before any request was made for her emails. The fact that the third party didn't delete the emails until after she was subpoenaed doesn't make her guilty of anything.

Your ignorance and wishful thinking don't mean shit.

 

[IGBT]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...undation-coercing-saudi-billionaire-millions-

Hacked Podesta Email Reveals Clinton Foundation "Coercing" Saudi Billionaire For Millions Of Dollars

Just call it the Sheik shake down...

* * *

In one of the more prominent early Podesta email revelations, we learned that Sheik Mohammed Hussein Ali Al-'Amoudi, a Saudi Arabian and Ethiopian billionaire businessman, whose net worth was estimated by Forbes at $8.3 billion as of 2016, was one of the very generous donors to the Clinton Foundation... up to a point.

 

[Mai72]

I don't like Clinton but a Trump presidency is even scarier. Much much scarier. Even worse than Bush 2000-2008. All the nutjobs will rejoice when he's in office.

It will be funny to watch as they all realize that their messiah is unable to make their lives better. OTHO, maybe we need someone like Trump. An outsider who isn't afraid to do what's right for the American public.

 

[skull]

That's fucking hilarious! Does that mean you still support the guy who has said he wants to strengthen libel laws to make it easier to sue people? Does that mean you still support the guy whose tax plan will actually raise taxes on the poorest and keep most people taxes the same while the people at the top get tax breaks? Does that mean you still support the guy whose tax plan will add trillions to the debt?

And NO we didn't fight the British over taxes! We fought them because we weren't being represented despite paying taxes. Perhaps you've heard of the phrase "taxation without representation".


This poster exhibits the exact problem that our democracy faces, folks! An uneducated electorate. The level of stupidity a growing number of voters are exhibiting will not bode well for our future.

I already said I hate trump. I think it should be harder to sue people.

Exactly and I sure don't feel represented by the government. Maybe you 2 party lovers do but I feel my opinions don't matter one bit. Here we are stuck between corrupt and corrupt as always. If you like that well I guess good for you but its not good for us.