FBI reopens investigation into Clinton email use

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nageov3t

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I don't like Clinton but a Trump presidency is even scarier. Much much scarier. Even worse than Bush 2000-2008. All the nutjobs will rejoice when he's in office.

It will be funny to watch as they all realize that their messiah is unable to make their lives better. OTHO, maybe we need someone like Trump. An outsider who isn't afraid to do what's right for the American public.
it's a shame that Republicans nominated the one candidate where, if it came out that Hillary literally sold nukes to ISIS, I'd still be conflicted about voting for him.

they had 17 choices, but decided to go with the guy who wants to start trade wars and increase nuclear proliferation.
 

skull

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No, we fought the British over a lack of representation in parliament. ('No taxation without representation' ring a bell?)

US taxes as a percentage of GDP are among the lowest in the industrialized world. How do you square that with being 'taxed to death'?

Then why do all these us companies like apple incorporate overseas to avoid taxes? Is that just federal taxes does your uncited fact include all the other things we common folk get nickle and dimed to death on?
 

hal2kilo

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Then why do all these us companies like apple incorporate overseas to avoid taxes? Is that just federal taxes does your uncited fact include all the other things we common folk get nickle and dimed to death on?
Because wealthy corporations write the tax laws for the congressional committees to promote as there own ideas. Got to get all these loopholes buried deeply in the bills.
 

fskimospy

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it's a shame that Republicans nominated the one candidate where, if it came out that Hillary literally sold nukes to ISIS, I'd still be conflicted about voting for him.

they had 17 choices, but decided to go with the guy who wants to start trade wars and increase nuclear proliferation.

While I couldn't see myself supporting any of those 17 clowns Republican primary voters did accomplish the feat of choosing the absolute worst possible person for the presidency. I hope he drags the rest of the GOP down with him not just for policy reasons but also to teach the GOP a lesson.

It's not okay to vote for or support a pathologically dishonest, mentally unstable, racist sex offender for the most powerful position in the world. They should all pay the price.
 

woolfe9998

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LOL it kind of bolsters your point that the first footnote under the table says, "Data based on Heritage Foundation (2015)." I think we can assume that a conservative American think tank isn't going to artificially deflate the total US tax burden relative to other countries.

Another thing to keep in mind is that if you look at countries with significantly lower tax burdens than the US, you see a bunch of places most of us would rather not be. But hey, I guess if a low tax burden is all that matters, conservatives shouldn't mind moving to places like Chad, Burma or Nigeria.

OTOH, your table says that Norway and Denmark have the highest tax burden the world. Yet Norway typically ranks first in the Human Development Index, indicating the highest standard of living in the entire world. IIRC Denmark is also typically in the top 5.
 
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VRAMdemon

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So..This is:

A) A re-opening of previous investigation
B) A new investigation into a new matter, but related to a prior matter
C) Something the FBI is doing which cannot be classified as an investigation, but it's something, so we will call it_____________ .
D) A recreational activity by the FBI and the letter from Comey was like returning a permission slip at school
E) Weiner rigging an erection.


I vote E.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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I already said I hate trump. I think it should be harder to sue people.

Exactly and I sure don't feel represented by the government. Maybe you 2 party lovers do but I feel my opinions don't matter one bit. Here we are stuck between corrupt and corrupt as always. If you like that well I guess good for you but its not good for us.

That's called being lazy. You are what's wrong with our democracy.
 

momeNt

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This is Anthony Weiner burning down the house because he didn't get the Chappaquiddick treatment for his misdeeds. Any reasonable person with a reasonable wife would have definitely destroyed all this sort of evidence, leaving the FBI with less to go on, but he just can't talk a lump for the team. Pretty disgusting of him.
 

sontakke

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It's kind of ironic that the FBI director breaks own department rules and possibly law while investigating Hillary Clinton for doing same.
It's been an interesting election so far.
What you don't understand is that different laws and rules apply to republican vs a democratic person.
 

Paratus

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You've been so busy circling the wagons to stop Trump, you are now ignorant of Hillary Clinton's crimes?

Hillary Clinton Emails Held Info Beyond Top Secret: IG
An intelligence official familiar with the matter told NBC News that the special access program in question was so sensitive that McCullough and some of his aides had to receive clearance to be read in on it before viewing the sworn declaration about the Clinton emails.

Charles McCulllough, the intelligence community's inspector general
The moment he says this in Congress.

Top Secret SAP Intelligence on Clinton’s Email Server
However, gross negligence is enough to prosecute under the Espionage Act, and Clinton somehow managed to transfer Top Secret information onto an unguarded private server.

Hillary Clinton exchanged top secret emails on her private server with three aides
The seven email chains, the State Department said, would cause "exceptionally grave damage" to national security if publicly released.
Even the OCIG needed special access, and cannot reveal who or what the information is about. Congress has no authority or permission to see it. But you're right. You, me and everyday Americans probably have it sitting on our desks... probably thanks to Huma and Anthony via Hillary Clinton's crimes.

Dude you do realize these are from months ago, from before the FBI said there was nothing prosecutable?
:confused:
 

Pens1566

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So, no more claims that the laptop was something that Benson and Stabler discovered on an episode of SVU? That was the prediction du jour yesterday, right?
 

sontakke

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Oops; I was wrong. This guy is just taking a bovine dump on the Clinton even if he included the obligatory sentence to say the letter was unfair to Clinto. His real motive was to have Comey confirm his assertion that Hillary is a coork.

When the powerful republican senator Chuck Grassley, the guy who is refusing to hold the hearing for the Supreme Court justice, tells Comey that what he did was unfrair to Secretary Clinton, you know that FBI head has jumped the shark. Read the letter https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2016-10-31 CEG to FBI (Clinton Investigation Update).pdf
 
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theeedude

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It seems to me that Comey's big flaw is vanity. He cares most not about whether he is doing the right thing, or doing his job, but whether people see him personally as independent.
So he is OK abusing his official power to single out and trash Hillary, even though he himself doesn't think she committed a crime, just to show that he is independent of the administration that employs him. Or ignoring his own department rules and interfering with an election, to show that he is independent of long established precedents for FBI or DOJ to stay out of politics close to the election.
 

Jhhnn

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Dude you do realize these are from months ago, from before the FBI said there was nothing prosecutable?
:confused:

Given the extremely small amount of honest information about what's happening now they gotta drag out the old stuff to have something to gnaw on.

Reminds me of the dog in the beggin' strips commercial- "It's Bacon! Bacon! Bacon! Bacon!" They might be easier to fool than the dog.
 

Jaskalas

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Dude you do realize these are from months ago, from before the FBI said there was nothing prosecutable?

Choosing to protect the rich and powerful behind the BS of "intent" does not change the need to prosecute.
Intent is inherit in setting up the private server. No one instructs staff to setup and use a private server without the planning and premeditated intent to do so.

Her crimes do not become "old" just because you want them swept under a rug.
 

Paratus

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Choosing to protect the rich and powerful behind the BS of "intent" does not change the need to prosecute.
Intent is inherit in setting up the private server. No one instructs staff to setup and use a private server without the planning and premeditated intent to do so.

Her crimes do not become "old" just because you want them swept under a rug.

Nor does it become a crime because you wish it did.
 
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Jhhnn

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Not does it become a crime because you wish it did.

In the mindless realm of the rightwing o' sphere, they've never been mistaken about anything, because they already believe to the contrary and nothing can change their minds. They think they know more about it than the professionals who actually examined the evidence, even though they've never seen any of it themselves. They're sure she should have been locked up long ago, like when she killed poor Vince Foster. Truthiness rules their minds.