FBI reopens investigation into Clinton email use

[umbrella39]

It's not up to Clintons "lawyers" to decide what e-mails are personal and what are "business" and then to destroy them. We already know that at least some of those "personal" e-mails were State Dept. business and that Hillary lied about it.

Nice to see another pre-election day resurrected ALT account! What are the odds of that happening around here!

 

[realibrad]

Too bad that his political supporters don't recognize that it's high risk.

They'd apparently try to swim to England on a bet if the odds were big enough.

I bet you they know its a risk. The Right is so angry that they are willing to vote Trump just to stick it to the Left. For a long time the Right has been told they are the victim of the Left and their policies. Then Trump comes along and says I will do and say anything to win. That is very appealing to both sides right now. The left did not have a Trump of their own, and the DNC picked Hillary long ago so no Left Trump for them.

 

[emperus]

Or just hand it over like you're supposed to...

I'm glad u realize how easily you were propagandized to. "Oh my god they smashed their hard drives with a hammer, they really really tried to delete it". lol. I'm sure destroying hard drives are best practice for any IT staff.

btw, here is the definition of delete:
verb (used with object), deleted, deleting.
1.
to strike out or remove (something written or printed); cancel; erase;expunge.

Now, why have you made the assumption that she didn't turn over all relevant emails? It was also her attorneys that went through the emails and provided the emails the subpoena required. Do you believe a big law firm will put themselves in legal jeopardy to help Hilary?

Lastly, there was an article today about Trump's business actually deleting emails that were requested by subpoenas to stymie lawsuits. Are you equally outraged by that? Why do you not believe that practice will follow him to the white house?

 

[Zstream]

I bet you they know its a risk. The Right is so angry that they are willing to vote Trump just to stick it to the Left. For a long time the Right has been told they are the victim of the Left and their policies. Then Trump comes along and says I will do and say anything to win. That is very appealing to both sides right now. The left did not have a Trump of their own, and the DNC picked Hillary long ago so no Left Trump for them.

You mean the rich, self righteous white people that exude white guilt? F them!

 

[emperus]

So Comey is getting criticized for doing exactly what Obama expected him to do in appointing him to the FBI directorship.

You seem to not have read the articles. How do you figure he's doing what Obama expected him to do when most people don't believe he did what any FBI director should do?

 

[realibrad]

You mean the rich, self righteous white people that exude white guilt? F them!

Well, in the attempt the Right has made to "F them", we all get "F"ed.

 

[theeedude]

You mean the rich, self righteous white people that exude white guilt? F them!

You may have missed that movie last time it played under Bush, but rich self righteous people aren't going to be the ones F-ed if Trump wins. They may not like the outcome of the election, but they'll get a tax cut and buy up property on the cheap when the people who vote for people like W and Trump get F-ed.

 

[Starbuck1975]

You seem to not have read the articles. How do you figure he's doing what Obama expected him to do when most people don't believe he did what any FBI director should do?

Fair question.

If you read any of the articles from around the time of his nomination, they painted Comey as a professional who, from a position of integrity and moral judgement, is willing to challenge superiors all the way up to the President in doing what is right.

He should not even be in this position. We can thank the Bill Clinton tarmac maneuver for placing the FBI in the political crosshairs.

Comey did not buckle to incredible political pressure and did the right thing in recommending no indictment. He is doing the same thing now.

Some talking heads are saying what he is doing is unprecedented. It is also unprecedented for one presidential noninee to be under federal investigation with the alternative being a raving lunatic, yet here we are. There is no precedent, but glad to see the Clinton media machine almost inmediately turn on Comey.

"has it ever occurred to you, that uh, instead of uh, you know running around, uh uh, blaming me, given the nature of all this new shit, you know it, it it, this could be a uh, a lot more uh, uh, uh, uh, complex, I mean it's not just, it might not be, just such a simple, uh... you know?"

New shit has come to light man

 

[feralkid]

nm



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[Zstream]

nm
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No, I have never used the "n" word. However, I have used the word dumbass, and you're it.

 

[fskimospy]

• Illegal handling and distribution of classified material.
• Destruction of evidence.
• Violation of FOIA.
  
• Perjury.
• Conspiracy for these crimes.

The whole "intent" cover does not hold up for anyone else who commits these crimes. Moreover, no one instructs staff to setup and use a private server without the planning and premeditated intent to do so. Intent is inherit in setting up the private server. Conspiracy from having others involved. A slam dunk against anyone but the rich and powerful.

Your understanding of the law seems to be extremely suspect here. What is your determination of a 'slam dunk' based on? My guess is literally nothing.

 

[Jaskalas]

Anthony Weiner having possession of classified material would just be icing on the cake of denial.
If that becomes fact, would opponents finally accept charges and convictions for these crimes?

 

[Pens1566]

Anthony Weiner having possession of classified material would just be icing on the cake of denial.
If that becomes fact, would opponents finally accept charges and convictions for these crimes?

Sure, but the charged individuals will likely not be who you want them to be. At least, based on how the law works.

 

[fskimospy]

Anthony Weiner having possession of classified material would just be icing on the cake of denial.
If that becomes fact, would opponents finally accept charges and convictions for these crimes?

Of course not, on what basis would you want charges or convictions if he did? Please cite the specific law and how you think it applies.

It's pretty strange that you have such a strong opinion on this considering it seems to have no grounding in the law or in reality. You have almost certainly been in possession of classified information in your life. Should you be jailed?

 

[Jhhnn]

I bet you they know its a risk. The Right is so angry that they are willing to vote Trump just to stick it to the Left. For a long time the Right has been told they are the victim of the Left and their policies. Then Trump comes along and says I will do and say anything to win. That is very appealing to both sides right now. The left did not have a Trump of their own, and the DNC picked Hillary long ago so no Left Trump for them.

What you describe is spite, not risk assessment.

"Do anything to win" has been SOP for Repubs for a very long time. Voter suppression is one part of it, as is their gerrymandering in the wake of the census. Gumming up the works to deny Obama any victories is yet another. Denying Merrick Garland fair hearing & a vote is just the latest in a long history of shameless ultra partisan spite.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Sure, but the charged individuals will likely not be who you want them to be. At least, based on how the law works.

In all likelihood this is true. Just another crop of loyal foot soldiers sacrificed at the altar of political ambitions

 

[Pens1566]

In all likelihood this is true. Just another crop of loyal foot soldiers sacrificed at the altar of political ambitions

Well, kinda, maybe? IF, and it's a big if at this point, there is classified info found on Weiner's laptop then it'll likely be whoever removed the info from a secure to a non-secure area. Absent giant TS markings, it's going to be someone that barely anyone knows. Even if it was from the HRC server. It had to get there from some secure environment first, and that's where the charges (if any) will be brought.

 

[Zstream]

Of course not, on what basis would you want charges or convictions if he did? Please cite the specific law and how you think it applies.

It's pretty strange that you have such a strong opinion on this considering it seems to have no grounding in the law or in reality. You have almost certainly been in possession of classified information in your life. Should you be jailed?

Wow, so go give all those "treasonous" bastards like Snowden and every other individual in jail a pardon. This is just epic!

 

[emperus]

Fair question.

If you read any of the articles from around the time of his nomination, they painted Comey as a professional who, from a position of integrity and moral judgement, is willing to challenge superiors all the way up to the President in doing what is right.

He should not even be in this position. We can thank the Bill Clinton tarmac maneuver for placing the FBI in the political crosshairs.

Comey did not buckle to incredible political pressure and did the right thing in recommending no indictment. He is doing the same thing now.

Some talking heads are saying what he is doing is unprecedented. It is also unprecedented for one presidential noninee to be under federal investigation with the alternative being a raving lunatic, yet here we are. There is no precedent, but glad to see the Clinton media machine almost inmediately turn on Comey.

"has it ever occurred to you, that uh, instead of uh, you know running around, uh uh, blaming me, given the nature of all this new shit, you know it, it it, this could be a uh, a lot more uh, uh, uh, uh, complex, I mean it's not just, it might not be, just such a simple, uh... you know?"

New shit has come to light man

Independent or not, there has been years and years of protocol regarding not talking about investigations esp. during the last 60 days of a presidential campaign. We see the reason why. It is unfair to the target as the target can't defend themselves. This is one of those moments that Comey should have realized he is not bigger than the time tested protocol. "The FBI does not comment on ongoing investigations". Nothing that happened before Comey's choice changes the bad decision he made. He can be a decent man who put his own self over established rules and against the advice of his bosses and in turn made a bad decision. That's why we have the system of Justice we have, It should be greater than one man's whim or unilateral decision.

 

[emperus]

Comey is being widely and roundly criticized.

“I really worry that the FBI director has made an error in judgment in terms of releasing a letter that really says nothing,” said Gonzales, who served as attorney general under President George W. Bush.
...
“In my judgment, it’s a very wise policy because at the end of the day, if you delay the announcement, hopefully it’s not going to jeopardize an investigation” or the pursuit of justice, Gonzales said.

“It appears that this was an error…,” he added. “It was a mistake. As a general matter, you would not comment on an investigation.”

 

[fskimospy]

Wow, so go give all those "treasonous" bastards like Snowden and every other individual in jail a pardon. This is just epic!

What the hell does Snowden have to do with this? I've actually worked with classified material and I'm very aware of the regulations surrounding it. Anyone who has would know that the two situations are nothing alike.

Regardless, please say specifically what you think Snowden's actions and the case here have in common. It never ceases to surprise me how many conservatives have become classified information experts as soon as it became politically convenient.

 

[woolfe9998]

Independent or not, there has been years and years of protocol regarding not talking about investigations esp. during the last 60 days of a presidential campaign. We see the reason why. It is unfair to the target as the target can't defend themselves. This is one of those moments that Comey should have realized he is not bigger than the time tested protocol. "The FBI does not comment on ongoing investigations". Nothing that happened before Comey's choice changes the bad decision he made. He can be a decent man who put his own self over established rules and against the advice of his bosses and in turn made a bad decision. That's why we have the system of Justice we have, It should be greater than one man's whim or unilateral decision.

The bolded is the key point in all of this. Assuming Comey did this to cover his own ass rather than to intentionally harm the Clinton campaign, the question is, why is ass covering a legitimate objective? He is a public servant. It's his job to take criticism. And he has an obligation to do his job in such a way as to not meddle in politics. What's he's done is put his own interests ahead of the nation's.

 

[Jhhnn]

Well, kinda, maybe? IF, and it's a big if at this point, there is classified info found on Weiner's laptop then it'll likely be whoever removed the info from a secure to a non-secure area. Absent giant TS markings, it's going to be someone that barely anyone knows. Even if it was from the HRC server. It had to get there from some secure environment first, and that's where the charges (if any) will be brought.

It won't be anybody because the issue isn't classified documents but rather information considered classified by people other than those originally involved in the information exchange.

The great thing about classified stuff is that Repubs get to wave that flag w/o even knowing what the information really is. Anybody who understands security pinheads at all realizes that a lot of it is just secrecy for its own sake. If we had access to it, we'd probably say "That's classified? Why the Hell is that classified? Everybody knows that."

 

[Jhhnn]

New shit has come to light man

Not exactly. New shit has merely been alleged to exist. That may not even be true.

 

[Pens1566]

It won't be anybody because the issue isn't classified documents but rather information considered classified by people other than those originally involved in the information exchange.

The great thing about classified stuff is that Repubs get to wave that flag w/o even knowing what the information really is. Anybody who understands security pinheads at all realizes that a lot of it is just secrecy for its own sake. If we had access to it, we'd probably say "That's classified? Why the Hell is that classified? Everybody knows that."

Oh, I agree. I'm just being generous and entertaining the fantasy, even if it comes true, won't result in what they hope for. "Lock Her Up!"