Father of three gunned down for $17 in Oakland

[nobodyknows]

Ugh. Why can't we just ban guns? Then there would be no gun violence like this.

Heck, why not just ban murder?

 

[Zebo]

Heck, why not just ban murder?

LOL two people are a little slow on the uptake in this tread so far.. Sarcasm.. Guns are banned in Oakland I'm pretty sure.

 

[classy]

Why would they not release a description of the suspects?

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

the black on yellow crime is outta control out there ain't it?

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Why would they not release a description of the suspects?

isn't it obvious?

 

[Craig234]

This is why we need a REAL death penalty. Automatic death sentence for anyone convicted of murder, first-degree attempted murder or anyone who has three or more violent felony convictions. Give them one appeal and then kill them. Sometimes the answers really are that simple.

Of course they are, for the ignorant. You would kill more people faster - guilty and innocent. You would increase coverups among the authorities not wanting that publicized.

Remember the guy on 60 Minutes who spent 14 years in prison for a rape he didn't commit? Maybe you would have executed him for that. You don't seem to value life much.

You sound like you would fit in well in the Taliban who promise 'swift justice'.

Of course you would not do much to reduce crime, and possibly increase it.

There's another law here than yours - unintended consequences. How much more ruthless would all these criminals become who now face execution if caught not to leave a witness?

 

[xj0hnx]

A black population the product of a century of racism as their families were kept down and segregated, faces the asian population who frequently run small stores - with perceived gouging and the rage of the poor blacks directed at the nearest targets of the Asians who they perceive gouge them, with the Asian owners having all the people skills with the blacks of a different culture and disgust with the blacks - a formula for great neighborhood relations.



But the liberals are the ones who can do more to improve this, while the right merely institutes the problems - and calls the violent enforcement of that a solution.

The left will create a lot more opportunity, education, productivity, while protecting freedoms - even while not having a magic bullet by any means. No one does.

But the left has a better approach that leads to the socialization, and reductions to crime and poverty. The right washes their hands, 'let them eat cake'.

You fucking idiot, the left has been in control of that liberal shithole for decades. The Bay Area is one of the perfect examples of the fail liberal social experiment.

Craig The Left has "run", if you want to call it that, that town for 50 years and it's a total shithole.

South America? No try San Francisco. what worked in 1906 will work just as well now.

Hurry up and buy! LOL HAHAHAHA.

Your looney left has run Oakland and San Francisco for the past half century and it's still a shithole. Try again.

Yes, they have.

 

[ichy]

You sound like you would fit in well in the Taliban who promise 'swift justice'.

Of course you would not do much to reduce crime, and possibly increase it.

There's another law here than yours - unintended consequences. How much more ruthless would all these criminals become who now face execution if caught not to leave a witness?

Actually I'd fit in well in Singapore. They have a very harsh legal system, but due process and the rule of law is still respected there. They also have one of the lowest crime rates in the world. I wonder why. Your claim that punishing criminals more harshly will result in more crime is beyond laughable.

 

[xj0hnx]

Actually I'd fit in well in Singapore. They have a very harsh legal system, but due process and the rule of law is still respected there. They also have one of the lowest crime rates in the world. I wonder why. Your claim that punishing criminals more harshly will result in more crime is beyond laughable.

It's in line with the lefts thinking that free bennies are going to motivate people to work.

 

[ichy]

Ha!

The sad fact is that essentially every lefty feel-good solution to crime has been a failure. Rehabilitation rather than punishment may sound good, but criminals just roll their eyes and laugh at that sort of thing in real life. At the end of the day the only thing that works is punishment, and discouraging bad mothers whose kids are likely to turn into hoodlums from getting pregnant in the first place. The futility of the War on Drugs is certainly something we should be looking at, but at this point we have an inner-city culture that scorns education and hard work and considers "snitching" to be worse than criminality. The only way to get people like that to behave is to pound it into their heads that bad behavior will result in very bad consequences.

 

[nobodyknows]

LOL two people are a little slow on the uptake in this tread so far.. Sarcasm.. Guns are banned in Oakland I'm pretty sure.

LOL, I was pretty sure JS80 was being sarcastic, but I had to post my comment anyway. It was too good to pass up.


I thought CA had a law that prohibited municipalities from banning guns?

http://mayrantandrave.com/2010/07/1...d-ca-you-might-want-to-consider-buying-a-gun/

Oakland laid off 10% of it's police force. Duhhh.

Oakland‘s police chief is making some dire claims about what his force will and will not respond to if layoffs go as planned.

Chief Anthony Batts listed exactly 44 situations that his officers will no longer respond to and they include grand theft, burglary, car wrecks, identity theft and vandalism. He says if you live and Oakland and one of the above happens to you, you need to let police know on-line.

Some 80 officers were to be let go at midnight last night if a last-minute deal was not reached. That’s about ten percent of the work force.

 

[classy]

the black on yellow crime is outta control out there ain't it?

Oh boy 🙄

Why don't you move out there? I will even pay for a first class ticket for any transportation 🙂. Just give me a holler when you arrive, I'll get some friends of mine to come by and give you lift to your final destination, err I mean place where you will be staying 😉.

 

[Nebor]

How did you bring a loaded weapon into Europe?

I didn't. I got it about an hour after debarking at Heathrowe, then it was ground\water based mass transit for the rest of the vacation. Dropped it back off in London at the end of the trip. A Sig 228 with one magazine of some kind of hollow-point ammunition and a nice molded leather IWB holster.

 

[alphatarget1]

Another voice of ignorance speaks out. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt you didn't mean Hiroshima.

The Japanese deserved that nuke.

 

[MotF Bane]

Another voice of ignorance speaks out. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt you didn't mean Hiroshima.

Tokyo != Hiroshima. LOL.

 

[alphatarget1]

Yes, they have.

My parents live in the Bay and they are Asian. I'm seriously considering getting them a weapon for self defense. Granted they live in the suburbs where some common sense still prevails in the city government.

The thing about large American cities is... There just aren't an equivalent of the same ghettos in other developed countries. I spoke to a friend from Canada and he said there are no equivalent to South Central LA in Canada. When I lived in Germany I would not fear getting mugged even though I walk in bad neighborhoods.

I believe the society has a duty to protect people and give a helping hand to the ones that can't take care of themselves. With that said, places like Oakland, (some parts of) SF, *insert liberal controlled shithole cities here*, etc suffers from failed social policies from liberals (idiots like Craig) between the 50s-70s. Now we have a generation or two of people who are completely dependent on the government.

 

[MotF Bane]

If the right DOES somehow get power, their 'solutions' are not atypical of the Latin American way of dealing with dirty peasants who resent the elite rich - use violence to oppose any power or organization for the poor and keep them 'under control'. Now, the blacks in Oakland who are bad behaving are not some noble class of people who are doing no wrong - there are all kinds of people who are not 'socialized' and have a highly criminal culture without respect for others, valuing of property and life, and so on.

But the liberals are the ones who can do more to improve this, while the right merely institutes the problems - and calls the violent enforcement of that a solution.

The left will create a lot more opportunity, education, productivity, while protecting freedoms - even while not having a magic bullet by any means. No one does.

But the left has a better approach that leads to the socialization, and reductions to crime and poverty. The right washes their hands, 'let them eat cake'.

The left has run that city, and largely the state, and they have FAILED, you pathetic ideologue.

 

[alphatarget1]

I didn't. I got it about an hour after debarking at Heathrowe, then it was ground\water based mass transit for the rest of the vacation. Dropped it back off in London at the end of the trip. A Sig 228 with one magazine of some kind of hollow-point ammunition and a nice molded leather IWB holster.

I'm surprised you got one at all...

 

[alphatarget1]

http://cbs5.com/local/fatal.shooting.oakland.2.1812237.html

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/07/19/BAJJ1EGJ04.DTL&tsp=1

First a Chinese man gets punched in the head and dies, and now another Asian, a father of three is shot to death over $17.

I feel angry and helpless. I honestly do not feel safe when I walk around town. Not sure what I can do, but for sure I will not be protesting and I will not be looting Foot Locker.

Get a 9mm pistol and concealed handgun permit... They might be hard to get in CA though.

 

[MotF Bane]

Another voice of ignorance speaks out. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt you didn't mean Hiroshima.

Oh, and so what if he did mean Hiroshima? We know you want to nuke Texas.

 

[shira]

The people of Oakland only have themselves to blame. Instead of hiring police the city government would rather blow it on social programs.

Right. There would be so many police on duty that every pedestrian would receive a police escort, thus preventing all homicides.

Damn those social programs for putting us all at risk.

 

[ichy]

Another voice of ignorance speaks out. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt you didn't mean Hiroshima.

The firebombing of Tokyoin February of 1945 killed more people than either of the atomic bombings. It was a very impressive demonstration of what our military might could accomplish by that point.

 

[Craig234]

Ha!

The sad fact is that essentially every lefty feel-good solution to crime has been a failure.

The sad fact is that essentially every righty feel-good statement is a lie.

For example, remember the Great Society that caused poverty to get worse, not better? Oh ya, I looked at the numbers and the long-term poverty rate is down a third from it.

Rehabilitation rather than punishment may sound good, but criminals just roll their eyes and laugh at that sort of thing in real life.

So, you're an expert on the criminal justice system. No, you are making it up.

What does our *current* system have that abandoned almost any rehabilitation? A sky high recidivism rate that's the result of the no-rehabilitation you advocate.

We have never had a real rehabilitation program I'm aware of.

At the end of the day the only thing that works is punishment

Yes, that works so well as we have had all kinds of sentence increases, and crime in the US is among the highest in the world, as well as our rate of incarcerating our citizens.

There actually is some benefit to long prison sentences for 'career criminals' and some crime rates have decreased as we'd done that, but it's only one part of the puzzle.

, and discouraging bad mothers whose kids are likely to turn into hoodlums from getting pregnant in the first place.

There's a nugget of truth in that and the usual right-wing false myths as well. It pays *no* attention to any of the many issues involved, like the high-crime areas created in a century of racist segregation and poverty, the lack of opportunity and the cultural problems these things have bred, not just the simplistic attack on 'bad mothers'.

The right just loves to ignore any inconvenient facts, and especially ones that migth require it to admit some wrong or make an effort, and blame the victims instead.

The futility of the War on Drugs is certainly something we should be looking at, but at this point we have an inner-city culture that scorns education and hard work and considers "snitching" to be worse than criminality. The only way to get people like that to behave is to pound it into their heads that bad behavior will result in very bad consequences.

Yes, that's been done for decades and is working real well for you. There's more to the story, but too much bother for you. The mindless 'longer sentences' is all you need.

 

[Craig234]

The firebombing of Tokyoin February of 1945 killed more people than either of the atomic bombings. It was a very impressive demonstration of what our military might could accomplish by that point.

How about the very impressive demonstration of the Nazi genocide, showing how efficient they were, with tools like IBM technology, to kill several million people?

You're their moral equivalent, so why not be consistent with your compliments of what's impressive while you call for the mass killing of people in Oakland, CA, you nut?

 

[xj0hnx]

The thing about American city is... There just aren't an equivalent of the same ghettos in other developed countries. I spoke to a friend from Canada and he said there are no equivalent to South Central LA in Canada. When I lived in Germany I would not fear getting mugged even though I walk in bad neighborhoods.

Yip. Even the worst neighborhoods in Germany were only about as bad as a lower middle class American suburbs.