Father charged with "headshot" killing of drunk driver that killed his 2 sons

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Rinaun

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DUI is so commonplace now with 0.08 and lower limits it's relatively ignored...those aren't the people hurting anyone and why even the FOUNDER of MADD is against what's become of it all.

Really? Dude do you even fucking think when you talk at times? Almost every job I've been to has done a background check for shit like this. Hell, I've personally witnessed an employee almost get fired over a DUI; the only reason he didn't is because the owner was cheap and needed someone with a forklift license for the company to run.
 

Humpy

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Dude, go outside and get some air. That theorycrafting is so strong. Broken liquor making it smell like alcohol? Then where is the broken glass bottles? Medical Episode? Like being too slurred to respond or responding "I've only had a few drinks"?

LOL, I wasn't crafting any theories or whatever it is you are going on about now. I was just posing some thought exercises (which you failed fucking miserably by the way) by using some hypotheticals.

The core of so many of these arguments is that the idiot father knew for a fact that the victim was drunk so it was OK to kill. The investigator has stated the extent of the victims sobriety couldn't have been known but, of course, ATOT knows better.

I gave a couple scenarios where, in the heat of the moment, it would be possible to wrongly conclude that someone was drunk and asked a question. You come back with "theory crafting"?

Dumbass. :)
 
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MongGrel

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In a thread about two kids getting killed by a drunk driver, this piece of shit has the nerve to say:
And apparently griping about the fact he hasn't gotten enough likes on facebook about the fact he's reproducing.

Anyway.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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LOL Why are you asking me? Ask the county investigator who said that it wasn't known immediately after the crash that the victim was drunk.

So that's a no.

Nothing I could ever state would change the way you think. :)

Quick to judge, sounds familiar.

Again, you may have a canine sense of smell but the investigators seemed to have claimed otherwise.

Doesn't take a canine, just some life experience.

Is that factual or just what you believe?

Oh, this must mean you think the children should of been tested for alcohol?

That's some pretty in-depth analysis. Good job.

No rebuttal? post some sarcastic stuff instead, check.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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I agree that any informed and lucid adult knows when they get behind the wheel drunk they become a deadly weapon and should be charged with murder. The current state of whatever the law is and one's frustration with that is no justification to commit murder though and it's that simple.

Outrage and anger is no excuse to commit homicide. This man is a bad father and reckless human being and should be locked up just like the drunk driver should of been.

Has murder or homicide been proven?

At least one murderer is dead.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
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You're a bad person because you drank an entire fucking 6-pack of beer and decided to drive an automobile.

And to top to all off, you act like a worthless frat fuck and make light of the situation by joking about how much alcohol you can tolerate and saying drunk driving is no big deal. Classic alcoholic.

Apparently the mods don't want to interact and now this is a fuckfest.

You really missed my point. Drinking a 6 pack means nothing. It's time and body weight.

I don't have that bar tab anymore. I really think it was 4. I was drinking in a bar for 8 hours.

I was not intoxicated. I don't rape women or anything else your pea-sized, living at home with your parents/a virgin understands.

I was simply replying that not everyone with a DUI is a killer. There is money behind those arrests and it's not about saving lives.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
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Really? Dude do you even fucking think when you talk at times? Almost every job I've been to has done a background check for shit like this. Hell, I've personally witnessed an employee almost get fired over a DUI; the only reason he didn't is because the owner was cheap and needed someone with a forklift license for the company to run.

Dude, I go through background checks with every job I have had.

Driving a forklift is very different than what I do.

Plus not every DUI is the same.

Mine was a non-event.

Take a chill pill.

Like I have said already, I don't believe in Drinking and Driving. You guys are too focused on insane things.

My arrest was bullshit and sadly not about saving lives.
 

alkemyst

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You never answered the question I asked. Does your country allow a drunk person who murders two others to walk after 10 years? Just name the country and I'll look it up for you if you are too pussy to talk about that.

Do you understand what murder vs manslaughter is?

You seem to have beliefs that don't match the country you live in.
 

MongGrel

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Apparently the mods don't want to interact and now this is a fuckfest.

You really missed my point. Drinking a 6 pack means nothing. It's time and body weight.

I don't have that bar tab anymore. I really think it was 4. I was drinking in a bar for 8 hours.

I was not intoxicated. I don't rape women or anything else your pea-sized, living at home with your parents/a virgin understands.

I was simply replying that not everyone with a DUI is a killer. There is money behind those arrests and it's not about saving lives.

Dude, I go through background checks with every job I have had.

Driving a forklift is very different than what I do.

Plus not every DUI is the same.

Mine was a non-event.

Take a chill pill.

Like I have said already, I don't believe in Drinking and Driving. You guys are too focused on insane things.

My arrest was bullshit and sadly not about saving lives.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
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According to this site. A 200 lb man having 6 beers across 8 hours would have a 0.00% BAC. I am sure you had more than you claim.

Except I had a witness (the guy at the bar) and my tab.

I also had a major mouth injury that morning.

I am just being honest that calling for anyone with a DUI to be put to death is insane.
 

ThinClient

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Apparently the mods don't want to interact and now this is a fuckfest.

You really missed my point. Drinking a 6 pack means nothing. It's time and body weight.

I don't have that bar tab anymore. I really think it was 4. I was drinking in a bar for 8 hours.

I was not intoxicated. I don't rape women or anything else your pea-sized, living at home with your parents/a virgin understands.

I was simply replying that not everyone with a DUI is a killer. There is money behind those arrests and it's not about saving lives.

You blew a 0.175 BAC after drinking in a bar for 8 hours and you claim not to be drunk. I've heard it all!
 

ThinClient

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Except I had a witness (the guy at the bar) and my tab.

Then why didn't you use it in court? Or did you try to use it but the judge threw it out claiming that you could have had something else outside the bar to justify the breathalizer?

I also had a major mouth injury that morning.

What does that have to do with you blowing a ridiculous level of intoxication into a calibrated device? Do you not know how a breathalizer works?

I am just being honest that calling for anyone with a DUI to be put to death is insane.

Nobody but you is making that claim. You're inventing strawman arguments to argue against.
 

Rinaun

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Except I had a witness (the guy at the bar) and my tab.

I also had a major mouth injury that morning.

I am just being honest that calling for anyone with a DUI to be put to death is insane.

Dude you are such a fucking liar. How do you wake up in the morning and deal with yourself?

MY condolences to your children. I thought my father was a piece of shit but at least he wasn't dumb enough to drink and drive, then parade around on an online forum downplaying it.


You blew a 0.175 BAC after drinking in a bar for 8 hours and you claim not to be drunk. I've heard it all!

Check my sig, I wish I had more space for his gems but I don't want a 3-page signature. I liked his one about how all DUIs aren't the same too.
 
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alkemyst

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Stir the pot troll. How about asking me directly what part you don't understand of this event that took place 15 years ago?

I drink a lot, I don't drink and drive.

I am just explaining the laws and why they aren't effective.

We aren't going after the people that stumble around, we are going after those that can pay the fines.

That said, some people should be off the road. You get 3+ DUI's in your life and can't prove you are targeted then you are a problem. (I have known cops to do this to exes by having their buddies arrest them).

I did my field side tests great (and most look drunk even when they are not), I was placed between traffic as well, and many more issues.

Like I have said, I admit in my past I was too drunk to get home, but I was young and I never even damaged any property. My arrest was utter bullshit and over a girl and her cop friend.

I am admitting I drank too much in my past, not saying I never did.

Again there is nothing I gain from proving this wrong or right, it's set in stone.

I feel totally bad for kids dying and anyone else killed by a drunk driver.

I don't think people know that 1.2 MILLION people are arrested and charged with DUI each year and only about 15,000 died and that includes those that killed themselves only.

There are only slightly more murders here. Everyone claims to know someone that died from DUI personally, but no one can really name those that got murdered.

Out of murders, every victim was not the guy behind the gun.

Again, hate the kids died. However; those professing DUI is the anti-christ need to figure it out.

In my DUI class, we had kids (18-21) that blew nothing but were in a car with an open container because they wanted to get a lighter. We had people living in there car and got some booze donated to them that got arrested and their car had no gas in it, it was their house.

Some of this ruined people's lives that would have never hurt anyone.

It's all about the money. Down here it's $5k a pop and the arrests are mostly middle class and above.

Meanwhile, fall down drunk everyday "BOB" is going out and hitting shit everyday until he kills someone.

I am trying to bring AWARENESS not compassion or sympathy to this.

I did my time and paid my fines, in court I never brought my defense up. I wasn't fighting that battle. I pled "Not Guilty" after the judge questioned me after asking to approach her bench at some length because she was suspicious too.

We have mandatory minimums and she was not in agreement with them.

She told me I need to find better women to live with.

I was really upset in that court room. I was literally crying because at the time I thought DUI was the worst thing known to man and I didn't do that in that.

One of my best friends (like at my house everyday) died because the guy he got into a car with leaving a party where we all hung out because the police were chasing everyone with cars ditched his car in a canal and tried to run on foot. The police asked if anyone was in his car and he said "NO". My friend could have been saved. I died trying to remove his seat belt and open his door.

That dude served jail time like he should have. I didn't mention this story in court. I did admit to that judge I have drank too much in the past. She said that past is not this case.

People saying I am not honest are truly idiots.
 

Jaskalas

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This case is fascinating.

He "didn't own a gun" but bullets consistent with the shooting were found at his house. Gun shots heard, a guy has a bullet in his head, but there's no residue to be found.

The whole thing just feels like the local cops took a look at things (or knew the guy) and assessed the situation. Then went back to the shooter and said "Yeah, we're going to do some labs for paperworks sake, but your hands look kind of dirty. Would you want to wash them first?" And then they had the courtesy to tell him "Oh by the way, if you may happen to own a fire arm that could possibly match those bullets...lose it somewhere very very far away and hard to ever trace. Yeah that would be great".

The whole thing just feels baked to me and it's got the power of public perception that makes most ignore it.

That's the only thing that makes sense here. Officers had to assist him. I can't believe he did it all himself in the heat of the moment.

Problem is even if I believe it, certainly cannot be used in a court. The system is beaten here.
 

ThinClient

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I'm a huge liar who lies so much and to everyone, including myself, that even I am beginning to believe my own bullshit. Too bad that I'm the only one.

There there, buddy, it'll be all right, just let it out... let it all out...
 

MongGrel

Lifer
Dec 3, 2013
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Stir the pot troll. How about asking me directly what part you don't understand of this event that took place 15 years ago?

I drink a lot, I don't drink and drive.

I am just explaining the laws and why they aren't effective.

We aren't going after the people that stumble around, we are going after those that can pay the fines.

That said, some people should be off the road. You get 3+ DUI's in your life and can't prove you are targeted then you are a problem. (I have known cops to do this to exes by having their buddies arrest them).

I did my field side tests great (and most look drunk even when they are not), I was placed between traffic as well, and many more issues.

Like I have said, I admit in my past I was too drunk to get home, but I was young and I never even damaged any property. My arrest was utter bullshit and over a girl and her cop friend.

I am admitting I drank too much in my past, not saying I never did.

Again there is nothing I gain from proving this wrong or right, it's set in stone.

I feel totally bad for kids dying and anyone else killed by a drunk driver.

I don't think people know that 1.2 MILLION people are arrested and charged with DUI each year and only about 15,000 died and that includes those that killed themselves only.

There are only slightly more murders here. Everyone claims to know someone that died from DUI personally, but no one can really name those that got murdered.

Out of murders, every victim was not the guy behind the gun.

Again, hate the kids died. However; those professing DUI is the anti-christ need to figure it out.

In my DUI class, we had kids (18-21) that blew nothing but were in a car with an open container because they wanted to get a lighter. We had people living in there car and got some booze donated to them that got arrested and their car had no gas in it, it was their house.

Some of this ruined people's lives that would have never hurt anyone.

It's all about the money. Down here it's $5k a pop and the arrests are mostly middle class and above.

Meanwhile, fall down drunk everyday "BOB" is going out and hitting shit everyday until he kills someone.

I am trying to bring AWARENESS not compassion or sympathy to this.

I did my time and paid my fines, in court I never brought my defense up. I wasn't fighting that battle. I pled "Not Guilty" after the judge questioned me after asking to approach her bench at some length because she was suspicious too.

We have mandatory minimums and she was not in agreement with them.

She told me I need to find better women to live with.

I was really upset in that court room. I was literally crying because at the time I thought DUI was the worst thing known to man and I didn't do that in that.

One of my best friends (like at my house everyday) died because the guy he got into a car with leaving a party where we all hung out because the police were chasing everyone with cars ditched his car in a canal and tried to run on foot. The police asked if anyone was in his car and he said "NO". My friend could have been saved. I died trying to remove his seat belt and open his door.

That dude served jail time like he should have. I didn't mention this story in court. I did admit to that judge I have drank too much in the past. She said that past is not this case.

People saying I am not honest are truly idiots.
:hmm:

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Nope, sorry.
 

Rinaun

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Stir the pot troll. How about asking me directly what part you don't understand of this event that took place 15 years ago?

I drink a lot, I don't drink and drive.

But you have a DUI. Dude can you start a post without lying? Can mods just remove this liar or is straight lying allowed here?
 

ThinClient

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But you have a DUI. Dude can you start a post without lying? Can mods just remove this liar or is straight lying allowed here?

They won't. He can. But that's okay because nobody really has a problem spotting his lies and calling him on his usual bullshit.
 

alkemyst

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Dude you are such a fucking liar. How do you wake up in the morning and deal with yourself?

MY condolences to your children. I thought my father was a piece of shit but at least he wasn't dumb enough to drink and drive, then parade around on an online forum downplaying it.

I am not down playing anything.

Sorry you have issues, personally I'd cut your father out of your life and move on instead of making him part of everything you deal with.

I am paying for a fucking iPhone every month for a friend of one my those kids that has a mother that now has brain cancer. We also gave them $100 tonight, because they got thrown out of their rental today instead of Saturday. They can drive to their new home tonight with that $100. The guy that married his mother is out of the country until Saturday and has no phone access and they don't have internet at the house.

This ordeal he is going through was 7GB of data on my plan so far this month. I had to call him two days ago to ask what was up and he kept saying he was sorry. I finally confronted him to tell me what is going on.

I am not a bad person.