Hah, of course I assumed. It's not like the posts of trolls are labeled 🙂Originally posted by: alkemyst
Never did I say if he was talking about 45lb plates did that mean he was a pussy....this was an assumption thinking I was just trolling.
Look, you need to understand the fact that the way you responded, especially in TallBill's thread, sounded like you were trolling. Perhaps you had the best intentions, but if the text you wrote is interpreted as trolling by the majority of people, then it means that either (a) you are trolling or (b) you inadvertently replied in a way that made it seem like you were trolling. And it was the majority of people who saw it this way, as conorvansmack, SC, Deeko, TallBill, and crt1530 all read your post as trolling.
You're right, neither of us really know how TallBill injured his hip. But you're missing the point: you jumped to the conclusion, with no evidence, that he injured himself because he must have no idea how to properly train. This underlying assumption - which implies that TallBill is ignorant of how to exercise properly and you are a fountain of knowledge - is what made you sound like a troll. Even if it wasn't your intention, that is how it came off, as you can see by the angry replies that came after it.Originally posted by: alkemyst
That was my advice/comment. You have no evidence his hip flexors weren't due to what he was giving us as information. Assuming he isn't just starting his lifting program, he shouldn't be in constant pain if he is doing things right and didn't injure himself.
Originally posted by: alkemyst
No I did not say "must" be an indicator of poor form. I said if you hands are 'torn up' it's hard to lift properly. Being callused to me is not torn up...while lifting without gloves and straps is a decent goal (I try to do as much lifting without gloves as possible...20 years later and even taking long term breaks my hands never become uncallused. I will say though 9 times out of 10 if you don't have a good grip, you are going to have bad form.
The quote in question was "If your hands are being torn apart chances are your form is suffering too."
Looking back at it now, I see that it could be interpreted in two ways. It seems like you had meant that having torn up hands may lead to difficulty maintaining proper form. The way that I - and probably others - read it is that torn up hands must be an indicator that his form is wrong. This second interpretation, without any evidence to back it up, is again based on the idea that TallBill doesn't know what he's doing and you do (again, a troll-like post). It seems like you didn't mean it, but since the sentence is ambiguous, I think you can see how it could have been interpreted that way.
Let's take a few examples comparing your post to SC's first post.Originally posted by: alkemyst
I never saw anyone else in this thread qualify or explain or justify their advice, however in my OP I did qualify what I said.
* You talk about getting enough calories "to feed your lean muscle mass" but don't explain what lean muscle mass is or how to calculate calories for it. SC, however, talks about BMR, recommends sites like fitday.com that calculate this automatically, provides a link that discusses lean body mass and how to calculate it.
* You mentioned filling in your diet with "quality carbs", but you did not explain what quality carbs are or why you'd want them. On the other hand, SC also recommends quality carbs, but actually defines what this is by discussing Glycemic Index and including a link to a GI chart. He also explains why you should stay away from high GI carbs by discussing insulin.
* You talk about lifting hard and running hard, but don't explain what role their play or what kind of exercise to actually do. SC devotes nearly 5 paragraphs to discussing this.
Do you see what I mean by qualifying or justifying your advice? It is not the same as just listing a bunch of recommendations.
TallBill talks about his 500lb deadlift in his own thread dedicated to the quest. You come into a thread that contains general diet advice for everyone and for no particular reason talk about some obscene amount of weight loss that you supposedly did. Not only is this kind of weight loss going to be unhealthy for most people, it has no real place in a thread like this and DOES come off showy.Originally posted by: alkemyst
It's you and others taking what I have said and saying it's SHOWY...if that's showy why the fuck isn't someone talking about 500lb deadlifts...or are you saying TallBill's lifts are something everyone here should be able to do?
Not only was your post not that different, since much of it echoes what SC was saying (except in less detail), and it certainly was no less complicated.Originally posted by: alkemyst
My post was very different in that it wasn't so overly complicated.
As I already said, I'm not the only one who interpreted your posts in the way that I did. As you can see by the replies in TallBill's thread, everyone saw that post as trolling. Now, perhaps you're right, we all assumed wrong, but the only thing that led to that assumption was what you wrote and how you wrote it. If you see that we're all interpreting your replies as trolling, then it's your responsibility to figure out why and correct it.Originally posted by: alkemyst
No your defensiveness and assumptions were all wrong. You guys are playing the part that you must be the only diehards here or knowledgeable sources. When someone else comes in you have proven how you react.