Fast Food walkout - Nationwide

[OverVolt]

Yea anyway there arent enough jobs so its inevitable *someone* will get stuck trying to raise a family at mcdonalds pay. I dont think they should be paid $15 either you guys just assumed I did. I just understand how it is easy to get stuck in a situation like that.

Im not surprised the workers are trying collective bargaining and i would expect more of the same in the near future. They are frustrated. Corporate profits and productivity are at all time highs i feel like younger frontline workers doing the actual work are getting squeezed because of the job market. Doesnt matter if its my salaried friend in finance doing 100hrs a week or a mcdonalds worker holding 2 full time min wage jobs and a part time. All it really is about is 20 somethings brave enough to leave their parents basement into the harsh reality of a bad job market.

I figure good for them. It doesnt matter if you make $20k a year or $100k we are in the grand scheme of things all in the same boat. Wealth inequality at this point is out of control. People are either worked to death or unemployed there should be a happy medium in there somewhere.

 

[werepossum]

That may be, but the people who worked at Mcdonalds and Walmart could afford to raise a family and buy a home
It looks to me that the min wage was established in different countries for different reasons

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_minimum_wage

-Oz

The minimum wage was never intended to be sufficient to support three other people and buy a house. Even in hardcore communist countries that wasn't true. And your link is of one nutter judge who was promptly overturned.

Your type was saying the same shit back in 'the good ol' days'. You don't even realize you're just spouting the same old shit that's been around forever.

"There's not enough jobs! Everything sucks! It'll never get better!"

Hell, wankers just like you were banging on that same bullshit all during the 1980's and 1990's when jobs were practically falling from the sky.

I'd also bet you're the type actively cheerleading your corrupt and out of control government to invite another (by their own estimate) 20-30 million more mostly poor and low-skilled people illegally into the country. Because you know, if there aren't enough jobs for you now, there certainly will be by the time the population of an entire third world country lands here (on top of those already here) and we've set everything up so that ignoring immigration and labor laws are the new 'civil rights' requirements.

It's nothing new that stupid people can't make it in a world that requires people to have some sense, some skill, some self-motivation, some initiate, and some drive. If you ever develop those things, then you will be fine. If you just sit around and demand someone else be made to make your life better for you- then you'll just be another dumbass failure of life. Say whatever you want, but it's all on you, not me or anyone else.

He has a point though. We used to have very good jobs for people without college educations, if they were willing to work hard. We still do, but not nearly as many and the level of hard work has risen strikingly with our flood of Mexican and Central/South Americans who usually work HARD in good-paying jobs. The good-paying jobs mostly require secondary school now, but due to automation and off-shoring there are comparatively fewer good-paying jobs with many more people looking to take them. This also drives down salaries. It's the downside of global arbitrage

 

[Engineer]

It's the downside of global arbitrage

What's the upside? Higher salaries and stock prices for the 'investor class'? :ninja:

 

[werepossum]

What's the upside? Higher salaries and stock prices for the 'investor class'? :ninja:

That and cheap stuff. We can afford a lot more stuff since it's made with much cheaper labor and regulatory burden.

 

[Engineer]

That and cheap stuff. We can afford a lot more stuff since it's made with much cheaper labor and regulatory burden.

As Zebo's sig points out so well....cheap is more expensive. So very true in this case.

 

[JMapleton]

Why don't they protest access to low cost education or something that effect so they can move out of their fast food positions? That would be far more effective.

 

[Zaap]

He has a point though. We used to have very good jobs for people without college educations, if they were willing to work hard. We still do, but not nearly as many and the level of hard work has risen strikingly with our flood of Mexican and Central/South Americans who usually work HARD in good-paying jobs. The good-paying jobs mostly require secondary school now, but due to automation and off-shoring there are comparatively fewer good-paying jobs with many more people looking to take them. This also drives down salaries. It's the downside of global arbitrage

I don't necessarily disagree with most of this- I think where signals get crossed is that I'm responding to the notion that it's impossible for people to rise out of entry level jobs and find something better (no, not working for IBM) but like I said, like waiting tables, working in bars, hotels, etc.

I wasn't talking about recent college grads per se, but the great masses of people were led to believe have been trapped in fast food work forever, in their 'food deserts' that are now supposedly demanding their wages be doubled.

No one has off-shored all that sort of work unless we have to go overseas to eat at any restaurant nicer than McDonalds, no one ever goes out to bars and clubs, and we need to drive across an international border to stay in a nice hotel. There are still plenty of better than entry-level service-oriented type jobs that many of the terminally McEmployed could realistically aspire to.

But once again, the dilemma of a college grad coming out of school only able to find a job at McDonalds- that's an entirely separate issue, and wasn't really the type I was talking about.

If anything, that person *should* be the one who has a better chance of doing better than his McCoworkers without college degrees. If that's the person out of everyone that can't figure out that slinging burgers at McDonalds is a much worse gig than waiting tables for tips across the street at Joe's Steakhouse- then quite frankly, their college degree might as well be toilet paper because they didn't learn jack shit.

Also, I'm getting more than just a little sick and tired of the national pity-party were all supposed to believe is never-ending. There does come a time when the newer generation has to step up, stop bitching at the previous gens (no matter what they did) get some fresh ideas, grab the ball and go make shit happen.

Past generations did it; starting computer companies in their garages and such. If people are actually learning something in college of any value, there ought to be at least a few future Jobs and Gates and Fords and Pages and Zuckerbergs, etc etc. etc. out there. A handful of geniuses can change the world and in the process create millions of jobs that previously didn't exist.

The nation needs to stop demonizing those that do this as 'greedy', wake the F up, and encourage the next generation of game-changers to step up.

Personally I just don't understand this bullshit of screaming that everyone is a greedy 1%- but then all you do is sit around and whine for a job from the very people you're constantly demonizing and flying the bird to, but can't understand why they might fly one right back at you.

 

[JMapleton]

He has a point though. We used to have very good jobs for people without college educations, if they were willing to work hard. We still do, but not nearly as many and the level of hard work has risen strikingly with our flood of Mexican and Central/South Americans who usually work HARD in good-paying jobs. The good-paying jobs mostly require secondary school now, but due to automation and off-shoring there are comparatively fewer good-paying jobs with many more people looking to take them. This also drives down salaries. It's the downside of global arbitrage

We still do. I have no college education and I work at a financial company. Although I do not make much at the moment because I just started, my position and other related positions can pay up to $60k a year and more if you make it to a manager position. And I live in a midwestern town where the cost of living is cheap. The same job in NY or Chicago pays $100k+. Again, no college degree, just a few securities licenses required.

 

[monovillage]

In my opinion anyone that thinks fast food workers should be paid more should buy a fast food franchise and pay them whatever they want.

Good luck seeing a bunch of left wing progressive nutjobs actually buying their own business.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Why don't they protest access to low cost education or something that effect so they can move out of their fast food positions? That would be far more effective.

It would have no effect because we already have a large oversupply of college graduates. It would only result in even more underemployed college graduates. To borrow a great quote from Engineer, "If everyone went to college we would have the world's most highly educated Walmart and McDonalds employees."

These articles might be of interest:

http://chronicle.com/blogs/innovations/why-did-17-million-students-go-to-college/27634

http://www.centerforcollegeaffordability.org/uploads/From_Wall_Street_to_Wal-Mart.pdf

http://centerforcollegeaffordability.org/research/studies/underemployment-of-college-graduates

http://www.psmag.com/science/the-real-science-gap-16191/

 

[Acanthus]

That and cheap stuff. We can afford a lot more stuff since it's made with much cheaper labor and regulatory burden.

Yeah, because we all know the CPI has been falling for decades due to outsourcing.

 

[Engineer]

Yeah, because we all know the CPI has been falling for decades due to outsourcing.

and wages have 'still' been rising (after inflation), especially during the last 15 years or so. How could they not with all of the great paying service jobs that have been created.

 

[OverVolt]

I don't necessarily disagree with most of this- I think where signals get crossed is that I'm responding to the notion that it's impossible for people to rise out of entry level jobs and find something better (no, not working for IBM) but like I said, like waiting tables, working in bars, hotels, etc.

I wasn't talking about recent college grads per se, but the great masses of people were led to believe have been trapped in fast food work forever, in their 'food deserts' that are now supposedly demanding their wages be doubled.

No one has off-shored all that sort of work unless we have to go overseas to eat at any restaurant nicer than McDonalds, no one ever goes out to bars and clubs, and we need to drive across an international border to stay in a nice hotel. There are still plenty of better than entry-level service-oriented type jobs that many of the terminally McEmployed could realistically aspire to.

But once again, the dilemma of a college grad coming out of school only able to find a job at McDonalds- that's an entirely separate issue, and wasn't really the type I was talking about.

If anything, that person *should* be the one who has a better chance of doing better than his McCoworkers without college degrees. If that's the person out of everyone that can't figure out that slinging burgers at McDonalds is a much worse gig than waiting tables for tips across the street at Joe's Steakhouse- then quite frankly, their college degree might as well be toilet paper because they didn't learn jack shit.

Also, I'm getting more than just a little sick and tired of the national pity-party were all supposed to believe is never-ending. There does come a time when the newer generation has to step up, stop bitching at the previous gens (no matter what they did) get some fresh ideas, grab the ball and go make shit happen.

Past generations did it; starting computer companies in their garages and such. If people are actually learning something in college of any value, there ought to be at least a few future Jobs and Gates and Fords and Pages and Zuckerbergs, etc etc. etc. out there. A handful of geniuses can change the world and in the process create millions of jobs that previously didn't exist.

The nation needs to stop demonizing those that do this as 'greedy', wake the F up, and encourage the next generation of game-changers to step up.

Personally I just don't understand this bullshit of screaming that everyone is a greedy 1%- but then all you do is sit around and whine for a job from the very people you're constantly demonizing and flying the bird to, but can't understand why they might fly one right back at you.

IIRC correctly the boomers had the phrase "never trust anyone over 30" I think the millennials are just naive and actually trust the boomers too much as part of the problem.

Past generations did it; starting computer companies in their garages and such.

Yea if your garage is at Harvard.

I think the millennials complain too much too. They do nothing about their situation. Hence why with this little wage battle, even if it is a huge failure is at least an attempt. Millenials actually have zero political power when in reality at this point they are almost the largest voter base. Take a look at how old the politicians are getting, management of companies, hell even movie actors and newscasters are getting hilariously old. Bruce Willis is still doing action movies and he is 58. He should be starring in movies like 9 more years till retirement. :awe:

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Yea anyway there arent enough jobs so its inevitable *someone* will get stuck trying to raise a family at mcdonalds pay. I dont think they should be paid $15 either you guys just assumed I did. I just understand how it is easy to get stuck in a situation like that.

Im not surprised the workers are trying collective bargaining and i would expect more of the same in the near future. They are frustrated. Corporate profits and productivity are at all time highs i feel like younger frontline workers doing the actual work are getting squeezed because of the job market. Doesnt matter if its my salaried friend in finance doing 100hrs a week or a mcdonalds worker holding 2 full time min wage jobs and a part time. All it really is about is 20 somethings brave enough to leave their parents basement into the harsh reality of a bad job market.

I figure good for them. It doesnt matter if you make $20k a year or $100k we are in the grand scheme of things all in the same boat. Wealth inequality at this point is out of control. People are either worked to death or unemployed there should be a happy medium in there somewhere.

You do make a very valid point when you relate it back to well-paying jobs as well. It's part of a new bubble we are in where the supply/demand is always going to stay with the corporations when they can manipulate workers and twist every ounce of blood out of workers.

There are certain things that I can actually approve of the government intervening... and salary pay where they expect you to work 100 hours really does need to have a step-in.

This is why the population for caucasians decreased last year. This is why the poor have the time to reproduce and populate. This is why people that DO make money have lost desire to have children. I don't find people that don't want kids to be "selfish" like a bunch of other idiots, but I do blame society for putting that desire into them. With no time left for family, the only time they have they want to put towards the only fun they can have.

To each their own, however I stand by as one of the few that wants to make a decent living - and hopefully have plenty of children as well. Growing up I had a family, then as my grandparents started passing away, and other family dispersed, I feel as though I don't have any family left. It's rather depressing when I think about it.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

It would have no effect because we already have a large oversupply of college graduates. It would only result in even more underemployed college graduates. To borrow a great quote from Engineer, "If everyone went to college we would have the world's most highly educated Walmart and McDonalds employees."

These articles might be of interest:

http://chronicle.com/blogs/innovations/why-did-17-million-students-go-to-college/27634

http://www.centerforcollegeaffordability.org/uploads/From_Wall_Street_to_Wal-Mart.pdf

http://centerforcollegeaffordability.org/research/studies/underemployment-of-college-graduates

http://www.psmag.com/science/the-real-science-gap-16191/

College was ruined by the notion that if you go to it and pay for it - instantly money blooms out of your pants like jizz.... and people bought it.

Then they go to DeVry University and can't get a job. Gee I wonder why?
Then they go to Phoenix University and can't get a job. Gee I wonder why?
Then they go to a decent school - but major in <Insert Psychology, History, English, Liberal Arts, and plenty plenty plenty more that are damn near useless as a bachelors> and expect to get a well-paid job. I'm sorry but you're an idiot. You didn't look at the job market. You just went into your favorite subject and expected that magically demand was created to pay you a fat salary for something that has no money to invest.

Essentially - what you are trying to do is say that the market is oversatturated with college majors - and that they are all qualified. In reality, it is the equivalency to a bunch of idiots showed up to a Pyramid Scheme seminar, and they all ate it up like fat kids on cake. Now they are realizing their stupidity, but they expect others to take the fall for their idiocy. Now THAT is idiocy.

 

[Lyfer]

College was ruined by the notion that if you go to it and pay for it - instantly money blooms out of your pants like jizz.... and people bought it.

Then they go to DeVry University and can't get a job. Gee I wonder why?
Then they go to Phoenix University and can't get a job. Gee I wonder why?
Then they go to a decent school - but major in <Insert Psychology, History, English, Liberal Arts, and plenty plenty plenty more that are damn near useless as a bachelors> and expect to get a well-paid job. I'm sorry but you're an idiot. You didn't look at the job market. You just went into your favorite subject and expected that magically demand was created to pay you a fat salary for something that has no money to invest.

Essentially - what you are trying to do is say that the market is oversatturated with college majors - and that they are all qualified. In reality, it is the equivalency to a bunch of idiots showed up to a Pyramid Scheme seminar, and they all ate it up like fat kids on cake. Now they are realizing their stupidity, but they expect others to take the fall for their idiocy. Now THAT is idiocy.

This guy needs to run for President.

 

[waggy]

College was ruined by the notion that if you go to it and pay for it - instantly money blooms out of your pants like jizz.... and people bought it.

Then they go to DeVry University and can't get a job. Gee I wonder why?
Then they go to Phoenix University and can't get a job. Gee I wonder why?
Then they go to a decent school - but major in <Insert Psychology, History, English, Liberal Arts, and plenty plenty plenty more that are damn near useless as a bachelors> and expect to get a well-paid job. I'm sorry but you're an idiot. You didn't look at the job market. You just went into your favorite subject and expected that magically demand was created to pay you a fat salary for something that has no money to invest.

Essentially - what you are trying to do is say that the market is oversatturated with college majors - and that they are all qualified. In reality, it is the equivalency to a bunch of idiots showed up to a Pyramid Scheme seminar, and they all ate it up like fat kids on cake. Now they are realizing their stupidity, but they expect others to take the fall for their idiocy. Now THAT is idiocy.

/this

 

[Zaap]

Yea if your garage is at Harvard.

Bill Gates dropped out of Harvard and moved to a New Mexico backwater to get that gazillion-dollar ball rolling. He could have gone to school anywhere, it didn't mean jack.

Jobs and Woz started Apple out of a garage in a normal neighborhood.

The real difference between their generation and this current one? (Whiners or whatever they're called)- they knew how to DO SHIT, even before they ever hit a college campus. This current generation doesn't.

They were people that taught themselves how to program and even build computers before there even WERE computers that most people could get their hands on. Meanwhile the "Whiners" have 1,000,000x the computing power in their pockets and can't do jack shit with it but click links on Facebook and whine on internet forums about how terrible everything is.

It's difficult to have sympathy when you see people just wasting great potential whining at "Da Man" which is really what all the stupid labels boil down to.

 

[nextJin]

Millennials are smarter, work harder, did less drugs that the boomers, etc.

Bullshit on almost all counts. Millennials are the stupidest American generation so far and "work harder" is laughable.

 

[disappoint]

If they want to make so much money for nothing why don't they all walk off the job flipping burgers and become hedge fund managers?

Everyone in the world should be a hedge fund manager. No doctors, no lawyers, no engineers or any other profession of any kind.

The bad news is if you need open heart surgery you'll have to do it yourself.

The good news is you can do it on your own yacht.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Yea anyway there arent enough jobs so its inevitable *someone* will get stuck trying to raise a family at mcdonalds pay. I dont think they should be paid $15 either you guys just assumed I did. I just understand how it is easy to get stuck in a situation like that.

Im not surprised the workers are trying collective bargaining and i would expect more of the same in the near future. They are frustrated. Corporate profits and productivity are at all time highs i feel like younger frontline workers doing the actual work are getting squeezed because of the job market. Doesnt matter if its my salaried friend in finance doing 100hrs a week or a mcdonalds worker holding 2 full time min wage jobs and a part time. All it really is about is 20 somethings brave enough to leave their parents basement into the harsh reality of a bad job market.

I figure good for them. It doesnt matter if you make $20k a year or $100k we are in the grand scheme of things all in the same boat. Wealth inequality at this point is out of control. People are either worked to death or unemployed there should be a happy medium in there somewhere.

Have you even bothered to ask yourself why productivity and profits are at an "all time high"?

Hint: It isn't because they are spending frivolously or allowing everyone to slack off. It has to do with the very real cost cutting measures businesses have taken (which includes freezing of permanent new hire positions, lowering or holding wages and benefits in check, automation and utilizing more and more technology, etc) in the wake of a very stagnant economy where businesses have to attempt to squeeze more from this lackluster economy.

Businesses in the end must make a profit by any means they can and are able to do so because if they don't they go out of business, leadership gets the axe by the board of the directors, etc. It isn't a matter of assuming that they are being "GREEDY" but a issue of these businesses finding ways to stay afloat and still turn a respective profit in crappy economy with hostile competitors all around them waiting for a slip up in order to run them out of business and take their market share. Nevermind the fact that the fast food industry for the most part is a franchise business with many small time owners running these volume based businesses who are also facing these same pressures.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

College was ruined by the notion that if you go to it and pay for it - instantly money blooms out of your pants like jizz.... and people bought it.

Then they go to DeVry University and can't get a job. Gee I wonder why?
Then they go to Phoenix University and can't get a job. Gee I wonder why?
Then they go to a decent school - but major in <Insert Psychology, History, English, Liberal Arts, and plenty plenty plenty more that are damn near useless as a bachelors> and expect to get a well-paid job. I'm sorry but you're an idiot. You didn't look at the job market. You just went into your favorite subject and expected that magically demand was created to pay you a fat salary for something that has no money to invest.

Essentially - what you are trying to do is say that the market is oversatturated with college majors - and that they are all qualified. In reality, it is the equivalency to a bunch of idiots showed up to a Pyramid Scheme seminar, and they all ate it up like fat kids on cake. Now they are realizing their stupidity, but they expect others to take the fall for their idiocy. Now THAT is idiocy.

Idiocy that was guided by the hand of the public indoctrination, I mean educational system. I don't blame the kids as much as I blame the politicians, bureaucrats, and their supporters who created this false notion without understanding the very real trade offs (especially on the economic side) that are made with such policies that direct masses of kids into colleges for better or worse.

 

[werepossum]

I don't necessarily disagree with most of this- I think where signals get crossed is that I'm responding to the notion that it's impossible for people to rise out of entry level jobs and find something better (no, not working for IBM) but like I said, like waiting tables, working in bars, hotels, etc.

I wasn't talking about recent college grads per se, but the great masses of people were led to believe have been trapped in fast food work forever, in their 'food deserts' that are now supposedly demanding their wages be doubled.

No one has off-shored all that sort of work unless we have to go overseas to eat at any restaurant nicer than McDonalds, no one ever goes out to bars and clubs, and we need to drive across an international border to stay in a nice hotel. There are still plenty of better than entry-level service-oriented type jobs that many of the terminally McEmployed could realistically aspire to.

But once again, the dilemma of a college grad coming out of school only able to find a job at McDonalds- that's an entirely separate issue, and wasn't really the type I was talking about.

If anything, that person *should* be the one who has a better chance of doing better than his McCoworkers without college degrees. If that's the person out of everyone that can't figure out that slinging burgers at McDonalds is a much worse gig than waiting tables for tips across the street at Joe's Steakhouse- then quite frankly, their college degree might as well be toilet paper because they didn't learn jack shit.

Also, I'm getting more than just a little sick and tired of the national pity-party were all supposed to believe is never-ending. There does come a time when the newer generation has to step up, stop bitching at the previous gens (no matter what they did) get some fresh ideas, grab the ball and go make shit happen.

Past generations did it; starting computer companies in their garages and such. If people are actually learning something in college of any value, there ought to be at least a few future Jobs and Gates and Fords and Pages and Zuckerbergs, etc etc. etc. out there. A handful of geniuses can change the world and in the process create millions of jobs that previously didn't exist.

The nation needs to stop demonizing those that do this as 'greedy', wake the F up, and encourage the next generation of game-changers to step up.

Personally I just don't understand this bullshit of screaming that everyone is a greedy 1%- but then all you do is sit around and whine for a job from the very people you're constantly demonizing and flying the bird to, but can't understand why they might fly one right back at you.

I agree completely, I'm just saying there aren't as many good-paying jobs. Simple supply and demand - if we reduce the demand for employees through out-sourcing and automation, and we increase the supply of employees through natural population increase coupled with increased legal and illegal immigration, then salaries have to go down. The only caveat would highly skilled jobs and jobs which directly affect the 1%ers' comfort and/or net worth - those tend to go up.

We still do. I have no college education and I work at a financial company. Although I do not make much at the moment because I just started, my position and other related positions can pay up to $60k a year and more if you make it to a manager position. And I live in a midwestern town where the cost of living is cheap. The same job in NY or Chicago pays $100k+. Again, no college degree, just a few securities licenses required.

I think it's safe to say that we still have a lot of these jobs, just not as many proportionately as we used to have. Unfortunately we have a LOT of people who are just unsuited to move up, whether due to deficiencies in education, skills, or just basic social skills. If one is a surly burger flipper unable to make change or speak understandable standard English, one is probably not going to move up into management or even more highly paid non-management positions.

Yeah, because we all know the CPI has been falling for decades due to outsourcing.

That's the (well, another) downside of off-shoring. One's toys, electronics and clothing will be cheaper, but one's rent will continue to increase as population and construction and maintenance costs increase, one's utilities will continue to increase, one's cost of government will continue to increase, etc. So while some parts of one's expenses decrease as fast as market forces will allow to the new cost floor, other parts of one's expenses continue to increase. We think we've come up with a way to raise our standard of living, but in reality we're like the farmer who discovers that selling off a few acres pays better with less effort than farming. He lives high on the hog until he runs out of land, then he finds that he cannot return to farming. Our resource owners are still living high on the hog, but for an increasing fraction of the population those cheap consumer goods don't make up for the cost of a society that consumes more than it makes.

Our resource owners' time is coming though. Once an American company starts off-shoring the manufacturing it rapidly loses the ability to design properly, so that the design engineering must also be outsourced. Soon the American company has become bloated on high profits whereas the foreign sweat shop becomes a competitor who is not only cheaper, but better.

 

[Zaap]

I agree completely, I'm just saying there aren't as many good-paying jobs. Simple supply and demand - if we reduce the demand for employees through out-sourcing and automation, and we increase the supply of employees through natural population increase coupled with increased legal and illegal immigration, then salaries have to go down. The only caveat would highly skilled jobs and jobs which directly affect the 1%ers' comfort and/or net worth - those tend to go up.

True, true.

That's why I wish we as Americans would come to a national understanding of two things:

#1. This current push to throw the borders wide open and encourage an influx of low skilled labor to flood into the country is a complete farce, and will end up absolutely destroying even what's left of the lower class, and a good chunk of the middle class. It's a hideous gameplan that Democrat leaders see as a win because the poorer and more desperate people are, the more they will vote to empower Dems. Republicans see it as a victory for big business that wants lower wages and an endless supply of cheap labor that will crowd out citizen labor and destroy any pretense of observing actual labor laws.

Together, both parties are playing the populace like complete and utter idiots- and sadly, far too many are proving they're right.

#2. Outsourcing is NOT a one-way street. I wish to anything more people would get out of the national pity-party mentality and realize this.

So let's assume the premise here is that decent, middle-class jobs that college grads would want are being outsourced because somewhere in the world, someone else is savvy enough to create a more favorable business climate for them. Can't have it both ways; we have to be talking high quality jobs that require a college education, not outsourcing things like call center jobs and sweatshop work that college grads wouldn't flock to anyway.

So if the playing field is more favorable somewhere else for these decent jobs:
Stop electing MORONS who have made the business climate here SUCK to the point that businesses profit by leaving it!

It's that simple.

Everyone needs to drop the pity-party bullshit, and get on that same page. If other nations can make US businesses pick up and leave in order to use their college-educated workforces- then we can do the same. We can attract businesses in Europe, Asia and anywhere else to come here and hire our workers.

We're the largest freakin' economy in the world, WE hold the most cards, WE have most of the advantages, we should OWN the freaking game, and yet too many people sit around with their thumb parked up their rears whining like we're the world's benchwarmer.

Bottom line is: IF we Americans want decent jobs here, then we need BUSINESS here. We need to play the game like the first-rate power we are- not like a loser whining how everyone else has an unending advantage over us.

People need to wake up and realize that electing idiots that are clueless and hostile toward business is a position 100% at odds with expecting a plentiful supply of decent jobs!

If we want decent jobs- then we need leadership that's committed to making this country the best business climate in the world.

OR- we can all sit around and keep the pity party going, whining about outsourcing, acting like it's as natural as the sun coming up that the largest economy on earth should expect never to be able to turn that around to IN-sourcing, as well as keeping our own home-grown businesses right here.

It won't be by electing another bunch of "You didn't build that" marxist morons, that's for sure.

 

[Zorkorist]

True, true.

That's why I wish we as Americans would come to a national understanding of two things:

#1. This current push to throw the borders wide open and encourage an influx of low skilled labor to flood into the country is a complete farce, and will end up absolutely destroying even what's left of the lower class, and a good chunk of the middle class. It's a hideous gameplan that Democrat leaders see as a win because the poorer and more desperate people are, the more they will vote to empower Dems. Republicans see it as a victory for big business that wants lower wages and an endless supply of cheap labor that will crowd out citizen labor and destroy any pretense of observing actual labor laws.

Together, both parties are playing the populace like complete and utter idiots- and sadly, far too many are proving they're right.

#2. Outsourcing is NOT a one-way street. I wish to anything more people would get out of the national pity-party mentality and realize this.

So let's assume the premise here is that decent, middle-class jobs that college grads would want are being outsourced because somewhere in the world, someone else is savvy enough to create a more favorable business climate for them. Can't have it both ways; we have to be talking high quality jobs that require a college education, not outsourcing things like call center jobs and sweatshop work that college grads wouldn't flock to anyway.

So if the playing field is more favorable somewhere else for these decent jobs:
Stop electing MORONS who have made the business climate here SUCK to the point that businesses profit by leaving it!

It's that simple.

Everyone needs to drop the pity-party bullshit, and get on that same page. If other nations can make US businesses pick up and leave in order to use their college-educated workforces- then we can do the same. We can attract businesses in Europe, Asia and anywhere else to come here and hire our workers.

We're the largest freakin' economy in the world, WE hold the most cards, WE have most of the advantages, we should OWN the freaking game, and yet too many people sit around with their thumb parked up their rears whining like we're the world's benchwarmer.

Bottom line is: IF we Americans want decent jobs here, then we need BUSINESS here. We need to play the game like the first-rate power we are- not like a loser whining how everyone else has an unending advantage over us.

People need to wake up and realize that electing idiots that are clueless and hostile toward business is a position 100% at odds with expecting a plentiful supply of decent jobs!

If we want decent jobs- then we need leadership that's committed to making this country the best business climate in the world.

OR- we can all sit around and keep the pity party going, whining about outsourcing, acting like it's as natural as the sun coming up that the largest economy on earth should expect never to be able to turn that around to IN-sourcing, as well as keeping our own home-grown businesses right here.

It won't be by electing another bunch of "You didn't build that" marxist morons, that's for sure.

Protectionism is not the answer. Neither is an increase in minimum wages.

What is an answer is recognizing how bloated Government is.

How they over-spend. How they put us into debt.

There is nothing good today's Government is doing.

-John