Fast Food walkout - Nationwide

[Zaap]

All this crap about there are no better jobs- there are better jobs, people just have to be able to do them. If you were making 100k + a year and lost your job, then the prospects are much harder of finding another 100K+ a year job. But come off it, if you're making minimum wage, it's not that difficult to move up from that starting point.

Even something like waiting tables is infinitely better, pays a lot more (if you can do it well) and doesn't require that much higher a skill set. Certainly just about anyone already with a minimum of 'experience' working in fast food could move up to a position in a more legit restaurant. When I was in school and starting out I found that working in hotel restaurants waiting tables was a gold mine for me. It didn't require any special skills, and I made a decent living until I moved on to better things like most people do. Anyone with half a brain could do likewise. (And no, I don't think anyone has managed to offshore businesses like hotels, bars and good restaurants yet.)

But sitting around waiting for someone to raise your wage for you isn't the best plan.

 

[OverVolt]

Fast food jobs?

No. They were intended to be 'starter jobs', or 2nd jobs for those who needed them. (McDonald's like many other chains, does offer a career path to management etc. Heck if you're good enough they'll help into ownership. But assembling burgers or hovering over a fry basket? No.)

I was around when FF first really got started. It hasn't changed much, if at all, and not much different than, say, busing tables. It's not now, nor has it ever been, a career to buy a house and raise and family with.

Fern

In light of there being no manufacturing what's the average non-college educated portion of the population to do then?

Things are very different now. The boomers are actually out of touch at this point.

 

[OverVolt]

All this crap about there are no better jobs- there are better jobs, people just have to be able to do them. If you were making 100k + a year and lost your job, then the prospects are much harder of finding another 100K+ a year job. But come off it, if you're making minimum wage, it's not that difficult to move up from that starting point.

Even something like waiting tables is infinitely better, pays a lot more (if you can do it well) and doesn't require that much higher a skill set. Certainly just about anyone already with a minimum of 'experience' working in fast food could move up to a position in a more legit restaurant. When I was in school and starting out I found that working in hotel restaurants waiting tables was a gold mine for me. It didn't require any special skills, and I made a decent living until I moved on to better things like most people do. Anyone with half a brain could do likewise. (And no, I don't think anyone has managed to offshore businesses like hotels, bars and good restaurants yet.)

But sitting around waiting for someone to raise your wage for you isn't the best plan.

What worked for you doesn't work for everyone else because its decades old advice thats why. When you've worked in McDonalds in 2013 let me know how you valiantly climbed your way out of that dead end job. When you go to apply as a hotel busboy and it gets 1,000 applications in 24 hours, hah. You just don't know I guess. You haven't actually looked at the situation in a long time. Not that I'm stuck there myself, I just know talented, smart people who work there and its not really their fault they are stuck there.

 

[Zaap]

^ That's only yet another argument for so-called college educations being useless then.

Personally, if the big plan is to come out of college (!!) get a fast food job, then just hope that the wages for that will become decent... who is it that's out of touch again?

That's an absolutely ROTTEN plan. College should have taught people better, and if it didn't- why the hell did you give someone all that money?

 

[Zaap]

What worked for you doesn't work for everyone else because its decades old advice thats why.

Yeah sure. No one eats anything but fast food. No one stays in hotels- in fact they've all been off shored. I have to drive to China to stay somewhere. NO ONE has heard of a bar, let alone work in one.

Seriously, there's a reason you can't find anyone to pay you much- your attitude simply SUCKS. You're just all about helplessness and hopelessness. Nothing much I can say, your sad fate is mostly an inside job.

 

[Retro Rob]

^ That's only yet another argument for so-called college educations being useless then.

Personally, if the big plan is to come out of college (!!) get a fast food job, then just hope that the wages for that will become decent... who is it that's out of touch again?

That's an absolutely ROTTEN plan. College should have taught people better, and if it didn't- why the hell did you give someone all that money?

Agree.

His plan is a "plan" because of the reality is that there is no such thing as graduating and walking into your Dream job -- it's now a myth.

So they need something to pay off debt, and try to parlay that into a hire wage.

 

[OverVolt]

^ That's only yet another argument for so-called college educations being useless then.

Personally, if the big plan is to come out of college (!!) get a fast food job, then just hope that the wages for that will become decent... who is it that's out of touch again?

That's an absolutely ROTTEN plan. College should have taught people better, and if it didn't- why the hell did you give someone all that money?

It was never the plan for them but its what happened anyway. So they banded together, like a union. Frustrated employees band together for bargaining power, wow what a surprise.

 

[Zaap]

When you've worked in McDonalds in 2013 let me know how you valiantly climbed your way out of that dead end job.

Well, he's what you do dummy, pay attention.

When you leave the job one day, you WALK ACROSS THE STREET. Or to where ever you have to. You walk into a better class of restaurant and you say, "Hi, I want to work here." If you're not a complete moron, they actually might hire you. When can you start? Are you missing your old job? How about, right the F away?

You tell McDonalds so long, see you.


I know, I know- the above would require you to actually DO something, and you can't be asked that. After all, it's 2013 not 1966 so that's your out.

 

[OverVolt]

Yeah sure. No one eats anything but fast food. No one stays in hotels- in fact they've all been off shored. I have to drive to China to stay somewhere. NO ONE has heard of a bar, let alone work in one.

Seriously, there's a reason you can't find anyone to pay you much- your attitude simply SUCKS. You're just all about helplessness and hopelessness. Nothing much I can say, your sad fate is mostly an inside job.

I don't really know your age but I keep leaning towards 40-50 I thought originally you were 30-40. There aren't enough jobs to go around for younger people its that simple.

 

[Zaap]

And by the way, before most of the usual dummies even say the predictable, when I drive around I notice that better quality restaurants than fast food have HELP WANTED signs up all the friggen time. So the predictable excuse doesn't fly either.

 

[Zaap]

There aren't enough jobs to go around for stupid lazy people its that simple.

Yup. And I'm hoping you're about 14, maybe 15. If so, you have time to grow out of it.

 

[OverVolt]

Yup. And I'm hoping you're about 14, maybe 15. If so, you have time to grow out of it.

Nope 26, people my age have time on our side in the long run, how about you? I'm telling you, it just doesn't work like that anymore. The younger you are the more fierce the competition. Your head is so far up your ass, not that it wasn't expected. I will be okay, but I have lots of friends younger than me who are entirely shit out of luck. I feel badly for them.

I also got to see how relatively easy it was for my sister, 7 years older. It can basically be summed up as...

-FAFSA comes out in late 1960, meaning colleges and universitys were obviously going to grow for decades to come from all the credit money flowing to them.
-In the 1970's or so it made more sense to get a job out of high-school than go to college
-In the 1980's all of a sudden that reversed and the people who went to college started making big ($$$) making the baby boomers who did not go to college jealous. They also started having millennial and Gen X children in the 80's.
-They all told their kids to go to college. If your parents were college educated its because it worked so well for them, and if you parents were non-college educated it was because it was their biggest regret.
-ALL of the kids born in the 1980's went to college. Two groups. Gen X, late 70's and early 80's children, for whom were early enough that the advice of the baby boomer still worked, and Gen Y, a hypercompetitive clusterfuck of over-educated and underemployed, and heavily indebted younger 20-somethings because way, way too many of us went to college.
-There literally are not enough middle class jobs out there, and the pecking order is largely determined by age. So Like I said I'm 26, I'm in the "barely okay" category but I have friends who are 22, 23, etc. They are SOL. Just the reality. It is just now dawning on the 22-somethings that they might be screwed.

So there you go.

 

[BoberFett]

In light of there being no manufacturing what's the average non-college educated portion of the population to do then?

Things are very different now. The boomers are actually out of touch at this point.

Lack of jobs does not mean that menial tasks now require middle class pay. You're applying the wrong solution to the problem, which generally has a negative effect.

 

[Engineer]

Lack of jobs does not mean that menial tasks now require middle class pay. You're applying the wrong solution to the problem, which generally has a negative effect.

While true, people are people and they are going to want more. If they can't get it through a good paying job, they will push to get higher wages or welfare ore both.....and that's what's happening.

 

[BoberFett]

It was never the plan for them but its what happened anyway. So they banded together, like a union. Frustrated employees band together for bargaining power, wow what a surprise.

That's certainly their right. But they shouldn't be surprised when they're replaced by a machine and their income falls to $0/hr.

 

[Zaap]

Nope 26, people my age have time on our side in the long run, how about you? I'm telling you, it just doesn't work like that anymore. The younger you are the more fierce the competition. Your head is so far up your ass, not that it wasn't expected. I will be okay, but I have lots of friends younger than me who are entirely shit out of luck. I feel badly for them..

Your type was saying the same shit back in 'the good ol' days'. You don't even realize you're just spouting the same old shit that's been around forever.

"There's not enough jobs! Everything sucks! It'll never get better!"

Hell, wankers just like you were banging on that same bullshit all during the 1980's and 1990's when jobs were practically falling from the sky.

I'd also bet you're the type actively cheerleading your corrupt and out of control government to invite another (by their own estimate) 20-30 million more mostly poor and low-skilled people illegally into the country. Because you know, if there aren't enough jobs for you now, there certainly will be by the time the population of an entire third world country lands here (on top of those already here) and we've set everything up so that ignoring immigration and labor laws are the new 'civil rights' requirements.

It's nothing new that stupid people can't make it in a world that requires people to have some sense, some skill, some self-motivation, some initiate, and some drive. If you ever develop those things, then you will be fine. If you just sit around and demand someone else be made to make your life better for you- then you'll just be another dumbass failure of life. Say whatever you want, but it's all on you, not me or anyone else.

 

[OverVolt]

Your type was saying the same shit back in 'the good ol' days'. You don't even realize you're just spouting the same old shit that's been around forever.

"There's not enough jobs! Everything sucks! It'll never get better!"

Hell, wankers just like you were banging on that same bullshit all during the 1980's and 1990's when jobs were practically falling from the sky.

I'd also bet you're the type actively cheerleading your corrupt and out of control government to invite another (by their own estimate) 20-30 million more mostly poor and low-skilled people illegally into the country. Because you know, if there aren't enough jobs for you now, there certainly will be by the time the population of an entire third world country lands here (on top of those already here) and we've set everything up so that ignoring immigration and labor laws are the new 'civil rights' requirements.

It's nothing new that stupid people can't make it in a world that requires people to have some sense, some skill, some self-motivation, some initiate, and some drive. If you ever develop those things, then you will be fine. If you just sit around and demand someone else be made to make your life better for you- then you'll just be another dumbass failure of life. Say whatever you want, but it's all on you, not me or anyone else.

Millennials are smarter, work harder, did less drugs that the boomers, etc. We have time on our side.

 

[Paul98]

Nope 26, people my age have time on our side in the long run, how about you? I'm telling you, it just doesn't work like that anymore. The younger you are the more fierce the competition. Your head is so far up your ass, not that it wasn't expected. I will be okay, but I have lots of friends younger than me who are entirely shit out of luck. I feel badly for them.

I also got to see how relatively easy it was for my sister, 7 years older. It can basically be summed up as...

-FAFSA comes out in late 1960, meaning colleges and universitys were obviously going to grow for decades to come from all the credit money flowing to them.
-In the 1970's or so it made more sense to get a job out of high-school than go to college
-In the 1980's all of a sudden that reversed and the people who went to college started making big ($$$) making the baby boomers who did not go to college jealous. They also started having millennial and Gen X children in the 80's.
-They all told their kids to go to college. If your parents were college educated its because it worked so well for them, and if you parents were non-college educated it was because it was their biggest regret.
-ALL of the kids born in the 1980's went to college. Two groups. Gen X, late 70's and early 80's children, for whom were early enough that the advice of the baby boomer still worked, and Gen Y, a hypercompetitive clusterfuck of over-educated and underemployed, and heavily indebted younger 20-somethings because way, way too many of us went to college.
-There literally are not enough middle class jobs out there, and the pecking order is largely determined by age. So Like I said I'm 26, I'm in the "barely okay" category but I have friends who are 22, 23, etc. They are SOL. Just the reality. It is just now dawning on the 22-somethings that they might be screwed.

So there you go.

You will never change these people's minds, they don't even see a problem they are completely blinded by their ideology. They don't see any problem with 99.9% of people making almost nothing while .1% makes huge sums of money. If that's what happens they will only care if they have no way to make much money and are stuck struggling along.

No point to argue with them, they don't have any clue about reality.

 

[BoberFett]

While true, people are people and they are going to want more. If they can't get it through a good paying job, they will push to get higher wages or welfare ore both.....and that's what's happening.

People can push for that, but the fact is our economy is unsustainable as it stands. Minimum wage changes do nothing to change that.

 

[Engineer]

People can push for that, but the fact is our economy is unsustainable as it stands. Minimum wage changes do nothing to change that.

Again, true but people are people...very short sighted. As long as they can get theirs, they don't give a shit about yours, the country's, the general economy....nor anything other than the near term gains. That goes from the top CEO's to the bottom of the barrel. People want and push to get as much as possible in the short term.....damn the consequences.

 

[Engineer]

Millennials are smarter, work harder, did less drugs that the boomers, etc. We have time on our side.

Yes, and you're going to need it because the boomers promised themselves (pensions, ss, etc.) all of the things for decades and then used their time of running things to ship lots of the good paying jobs out of the country and now that it's time to pay....well, it's up to you...and there are less of you than of them. Good luck son.....you're going to need it.

 

[BoberFett]

Again, true but people are people...very short sighted. As long as they can get theirs, they don't give a shit about yours, the country's, the general economy....nor anything other than the near term gains. That goes from the top CEO's to the bottom of the barrel. People want and push to get as much as possible in the short term.....damn the consequences.

Indeed.

 

[BoberFett]

Yes, and you're going to need it because the boomers promised themselves (pensions, ss, etc.) all of the things for decades and then used their time of running things to ship lots of the good paying jobs out of the country and now that it's time to pay....well, it's up to you...and there are less of you than of them. Good luck son.....you're going to need it.

Yup, the boomers fucked us over.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

In light of there being no manufacturing what's the average non-college educated portion of the population to do then?

Things are very different now. The boomers are actually out of touch at this point.

If you want a good paying job you will need to be ready to sweat, get dirty, and travel from job to job.

 

[Zaap]

Several different subjects got mixed together somehow. Personally (as per the actual subject) I'm talking about people already doing fast food jobs supporting families and such moving up past that level to something that's available and pays better. That's not impossible and in fact its not even all that difficult.

College grads who actually learned something valuable not being able to find high paying jobs in their chosen field (for whatever reasons) is an entirely different matter.