Fareed (CNN): Threat to Democracy from the left

[Vic]

He's hitting all the right wing erroneous zones, for sure.

Spidey007 is just a liar like he's always been. Watch how his stories change as the thread progresses. And funny, those changes always benefit his hopelessly one-sided narrative.

 

[SlowSpyder]

In for what optics? Why are you assuming affirmative action? If an employer should be able to hire anyone they want to, then why should they have to hire you?
It seems like you're a victim for the optics, as you say.

You're talking about and pretending to know something about a situation that you had nothing to do with and with people you never talked to. I worked as a contractor somewhere, someone asked our CIO at the company why there no women working as technicians. I found this out later. Job postings were put up, and two women were hired. Towards the end of my contract the manager and I were pretty close and he told me about it, by then I had heard the rumors. I wasn't hired for the fact that I am a white male, nothing more or less than that.

 

[SlowSpyder]

He says unironically in a country that has no actual left wing party. Comedy gold.

It is all relative. In America the Dems fall on that side of the spectrum.

 

[SlowSpyder]

The North Korean deal accomplished nothing. The trade deals with Canada and Mexico are slight spins on NAFTA. The trade war with China is so bad that Trump is subsidizing farmers to pay for the cost increases; China certainly isn't backing down. The border wall probably won't be built, and Mexico will never pay for it. Those aren't "leftist rah-rah talking points;" those are observable facts.

Also, can you tell me what Trump's Twitter hissy fits accomplish, or why you think news outlets with long histories of thorough, accurate uses of inside sources suddenly aren't trustworthy?

You need to get information from more sources than just The Young Turks... Trump is crushing it lately, you can try and belittle the accomplishments all you want, but it is nothing more than the whining gasps of someone that is on the wrong side of history.

 

[fskimospy]

Does backbone mean making largely ineffective deals, throwing Twitter temper tantrums whenever someone criticizes him, and planning policies so terrible that his staff remove documents from his desk to prevent disaster? Sounds more like someone who talks a big game but has nothing to back it up other than yelling louder.

It's kind of amazing how totally ineffective Trump has been considering Republicans have unified control of government. Contrast it to Obama's first two years - Obama put through a huge stimulus bill, reorganized the entire US health care system, enacted the most sweeping financial regulations in generations, etc. Trump has... passed a poorly thought out tax cut.

Just compare the 111th to the 115th. The 115th is pathetic:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/111th_United_States_Congress#Major_legislation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/115th_United_States_Congress#Major_legislation

 

[ecogen]

It is all relative. In America the Dems fall on that side of the spectrum.

No shit. There's a reason that basically every first world nation is to the left of the US, and there's a reason most of them are doing much better than the US in most metrics that matter to the average citizen. I'll let you figure out the rest.

 

[mect]

You're talking about and pretending to know something about a situation that you had nothing to do with and with people you never talked to. I worked as a contractor somewhere, someone asked our CIO at the company why there no women working as technicians. I found this out later. Job postings were put up, and two women were hired. Towards the end of my contract the manager and I were pretty close and he told me about it, by then I had heard the rumors. I wasn't hired for the fact that I am a white male, nothing more or less than that.

Of course it would be impossible for a woman to just be more qualified for a technician position. Everyone knows a woman can't do that kind of work. White males, still the most persecuted demographic in American society. But we're so much better than every other race and gender, we still dominate.

 

[SlowSpyder]

No shit. There's a reason that basically every first world nation is to the left of the US, and there's a reason most of them are doing much better than the US in most metrics that matter to the average citizen. I'll let you figure out the rest.

Which countries are doing better in your mind? Also, do these countries have the same issues facing them that we do, at the scales we deal with?

 

[Jhhnn]

It is all relative. In America the Dems fall on that side of the spectrum.

It's easy for the right wing to claim everybody else is leftist, isn't it?

If Dems have moved left, then the GOP has moved much further to the right over the last 30 years.

 

[ecogen]

Which countries are doing better in your mind? Also, do these countries have the same issues facing them that we do, at the scales we deal with?

Most of the EU, Canada, Australia, NZ etc. They have better primary education,healthcare less crime and higher social and economic mobility.

What issues is the US facing that are so unique?

 

[SlowSpyder]

Of course it would be impossible for a woman to just be more qualified for a technician position. Everyone knows a woman can't do that kind of work. White males, still the most persecuted demographic in American society. But we're so much better than every other race and gender, we still dominate.

I never said or implied any of that. I've worked with very talented and driven women in my career. That wasn't the case here, the manager and I were close towards the end of my career, he told me what others had already told me. It wasn't a secret really. In my case, I was indeed discriminated against due to being a white male. You can pretend like left-championed affirmative action isn't just simple racism and sexism, but that's exactly what it is. The Dems are the racists today.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Most of the EU, Canada, Australia, NZ etc. They have better primary education,healthcare less crime and more social and economic mobility.

What issues is the US facing that are so unique?

Do they fund 75% of NATO? How much aid do they give to the rest of the world? How much illegal immigration do they deal with compared to us? What is the make up of the populations of those countries that are doing better? How many places around the world are their military's presence in mass? How big is their national debts? Why as our education system becomes more and more liberal do we get worse while others do better?

 

[umbrella39]

What year were you "woke"?

Just like the GeoSurface account... Was a hardcore liberal in his first couple of posts who:

...voted for Gore, Kerry, Obama. I'll be voting Obama again this November. The only reservation I had with any of them was they weren't NEARLY liberal enough.

Just yet another iteration of the Strawman sockpuppet persona... Will tuck tail and run away again shortly and put sock into hibernate mode...

 

[SlowSpyder]

Just like the GeoSurface account... Was a hardcore liberal in his first couple of posts who:

...voted for Gore, Kerry, Obama. I'll be voting Obama again this November. The only reservation I had with any of them was they weren't NEARLY liberal enough.

Just yet another iteration of the Strawman sockpuppet persona... Will tuck tail and run away again shortly and put sock into hibernate mode...

Like I said, you never tired of being wrong. The admins can look at my IP history, my email, been the same since 2005 here. I've worked in the same place since 2006 (I post from work at times) and had the same provider the last six plus. My name is Steve, I have posted here off and on for over a decade. Sorry it is so alien to you that this many people support Trump and reject your left of common sense ideals. Seems like you have a hard time reconciling reality with your bubble.

 

[ecogen]

Do they fund 75% of NATO?

NATO funding is basically a percentage of GDP spent on military. No one is forcing you to pay 4%, feel free to stop

How much aid do they give to the rest of the world?

Again as percentage of GDP it should be quite comparable.

How much illegal immigration do they deal with compared to us?

Is this a fucking joke? Apparently you missed the fucking refugee crisis that was also partly (mostly) caused by the US fucking around in the middle east, thanks by the way.

What is the make up of the populations of those countries that are doing better?

What are you trying to say here buddy? Don't mince words.

How many places around the world are their military's presence in mass?

Again, no one forcing you to play world police. You do it because it benefits you.

How big is their national debts?

The only countries in the EU with a problematic debt to gdp ratio are Greece and Italy, the rest are fine.

Why as our education system becomes more and more liberal do we get worse while others do better?

Fuck if I know what this means.

 

[SlowSpyder]

NATO funding is basically a percentage of GDP spent on military. No one is forcing you to pay 4%, feel free to stop



Again as percentage of GDP it should be quite comparable.


Is this a fucking joke? Apparently you missed the fucking refugee crisis that was also partly (mostly) caused by the US fucking around in the middle east, thanks by the way.



What are you trying to say here buddy? Don't mince words.



Again, no one forcing you to play world police. You do it because it benefits you.



The only countries in the EU with a problematic debt to gdp ratio are Greece and Italy, the rest are fine.



Fuck if I know what this means.

You answered next to nothing. But you can't. America is unique in the problems we face, the top of the mountain is different than the next rung down.

 

[Commodus]

You need to get information from more sources than just The Young Turks... Trump is crushing it lately, you can try and belittle the accomplishments all you want, but it is nothing more than the whining gasps of someone that is on the wrong side of history.

I never even look at Young Turks. I look at sites and video sources with a reputation for accuracy, and even then question things if there isn't reasonable evidence. You, however... it's safe to say you don't really think at all about your news sources.

I have to laugh at the "wrong side of history" part. You think Trump represents the long-term future? Are you really hoping for permanent one-party Republican rule, especially given demographic changes that increasingly go against the party? That's downright comic, not to mention full of hubris. When Democrats regain power, they'll erase virtually everything Trump did; he's not ushering in a new era, he's a temporary blip.

 

[ecogen]

You answered next to nothing. But you can't. America is unique in the problems we face, the top of the mountain is different than the next rung down.

Lmao, a country with a 3rd world homicide rate, no universal healthcare, trash primary education, and low economic mobility (American dream lol) is the top of the mountain? I almost fell off my chair, thanks for the laughs.

 

[Vic]

I never said or implied any of that. I've worked with very talented and driven women in my career. That wasn't the case here, the manager and I were close towards the end of my career, he told me what others had already told me. It wasn't a secret really. In my case, I was indeed discriminated against due to being a white male. You can pretend like left-championed affirmative action isn't just simple racism and sexism, but that's exactly what it is. The Dems are the racists today.

Who are they being racist against, specifically?

 

[SlowSpyder]

Who are they being racist against, specifically?

I'm a white male. This stopped me from getting the job, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Vic]

I'm a white male. This stopped me from getting the job, nothing more, nothing less.

You mean that anecdote of yours, which you only found out about after the fact and through office rumor? This is your proof?

 

[SlowSpyder]

Lmao, a country with a 3rd world homicide rate, no universal healthcare, trash primary education, and low economic mobility (American dream lol) is the top of the mountain? I almost fell off my chair, thanks for the laughs.

We only have that homicide rate due to the murder rate in Democrat stronghold cities... Baltimore, St. Louis, Detroit, Chicago, LA, New York, etc.

We don't need or want universal healthcare, our system is what has spurred advances. If you've used your universal healthcare system, you've probably used American products and advancements.

Our primary education needs improvement, as we've used more and more new-wave ideas and gotten away from holding kids to being responsible and worrying about their feelings over results things have gotten worse. Leftist ideas.

Yea, top of the mountain. Hard to argue any single country has more influence in the world. Get back in your chair, don't want you to get hurt and cost your tax payers for treatment.

 

[Vic]

We only have that homicide rate due to the murder rate in Democrat stronghold cities... Baltimore, St. Louis, Detroit, Chicago, LA, New York, etc.

We don't need or want universal healthcare, our system is what has spurred advances. If you've used your universal healthcare system, you've probably used American products and advancements.

Our primary education needs improvement, as we've used more and more new-wave ideas and gotten away from holding kids to being responsible and worrying about their feelings over results things have gotten worse. Leftist ideas.

Yea, top of the mountain. Hard to argue any single country has more influence in the world. Get back in your chair, don't want you to get hurt and cost your tax payers for treatment.

For someone so opposed to groupthink, as you claim, you sure are amazingly incapable of any semblance of independent thought.
There's not one talking point here that isn't repeated ad nasuem on right wing media.

 

[realibrad]

Lmao, a country with a 3rd world homicide rate, no universal healthcare, trash primary education, and low economic mobility (American dream lol) is the top of the mountain? I almost fell off my chair, thanks for the laughs.

Why focus on homicide rate and not assault?

 

[fskimospy]

Why focus on homicide rate and not assault?

Because different countries define crimes differently and comparisons can be extremely difficult and/or misleading. Homicide suffers from this less than most other crimes so it's frequently used as a proxy for violent crime.