Fareed (CNN): Threat to Democracy from the left

[realibrad]

Heh. The Russians just amplified the Trump/GOP line. Their command of social media was masterful but their message certainly wasn't original.

They did more than that. They got people stirred up on both sides but then focused on Trump when they realized it would work better. Russia was caught having a hand in college issues and promoting actions by groups that you would consider Left. By the end, it was all Trump all the time. There was tons of fake shit spread on places like FB that Trump did not play a part in likely.

They did more than promote Trump though.

 

[SlowSpyder]

I thought I knew whos alts you were because when I pointed out to you while back you disappeared until now, nevertheless I will figure it out, again, we all will.

I don't have an alt account. I only post under this user name and have only ever posted as this user name here.

 

[SlowSpyder]

So you lump large groups of people together, but you don't succumb to group think?
You claim to be for equality and against racism, but align yourself with the political side that is opposed to diversity, calls the KKK and Nazis very fine people, and claims that women can't be believed?
And finally, you want us to believe that the political party with almost no political power are the oppressors..
How very interesting..

Yes, the left can be grouped together because they have been radicalized. They are for racism on the whole. Do you agree with affirmative action? The left's mainstream is shifting radically left, the fringe and the mainstream are becoming one. The left wants free healthcare, free schooling, thinks a secure border is a terrible idea. The left has jumped the shark. I'm a non-religious guy that hated what the christian right tries to do, I sided with the left for a long time, bought into the narrative that the right was the racists and wanted to stop anything different than themselves. How things have changed.

 

[senseamp]

What is it with "centrists"? Sounds to me they're glorified Republicans who are slightly less moronic than their hardline peers. Still, though, they are incredibly stupid as we can see quite clearly from our resident centrist's posts in this thread, Jackass Jaskalas.

You can be centrist on issues where there is a continuum. But some issues are binary choices and then the centrist tendency is to be all over the place with no moral compass. Hence Fareed supporting the Iraq war and then criticizing it when it went sour.

 

[umbrella39]

Sure sounds like conservatives came a lot closer to burning a neighborhood down than liberals did, huh.

Isn't it funny how stupid this poster is? No matter who he is logged in as, he continues to be a posterboy for stupid conservative with no facts and his feelz are hurt. Running interference for OC is a full time job and takes several "Yes Man Thumbs Up Like" accounts...

 

[Jhhnn]

They did more than that. They got people stirred up on both sides but then focused on Trump when they realized it would work better. Russia was caught having a hand in college issues and promoting actions by groups that you would consider Left. By the end, it was all Trump all the time. There was tons of fake shit spread on places like FB that Trump did not play a part in likely.

They did more than promote Trump though.

They promoted divisiveness & discord, the same thing the GOP has done since Gingrich. I wonder how it feels when a person realizes they've been had by the world's greatest con artist & Russian propagandists. Oh, wait- they don't, do they? Surely that never happened. Couldn't be.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Isn't it funny how stupid this poster is? No matter who he is logged in as, he continues to be a posterboy for stupid conservative with no facts and his feelz are hurt. Running interference for OC is a full time job and takes several "Yes Man Thumbs Up Like" accounts...

Again, you are 100% wrong, but that doesn't seem to matter to you one bit.

 

[Vic]

Yes, the left can be grouped together because they have been radicalized. They are for racism on the whole. Do you agree with affirmative action? The left's mainstream is shifting radically left, the fringe and the mainstream are becoming one. The left wants free healthcare, free schooling, thinks a secure border is a terrible idea. The left has jumped the shark. I'm a non-religious guy that hated what the christian right tries to do, I sided with the left for a long time, bought into the narrative that the right was the racists and wanted to stop anything different than themselves. How things have changed.

I guess all of that is believable if everything you know about the left comes from right wing talking heads.

 

[soundforbjt]

Yes, the left can be grouped together because they have been radicalized. They are for racism on the whole. Do you agree with affirmative action? The left's mainstream is shifting radically left, the fringe and the mainstream are becoming one. The left wants free healthcare, free schooling, thinks a secure border is a terrible idea. The left has jumped the shark. I'm a non-religious guy that hated what the christian right tries to do, I sided with the left for a long time, bought into the narrative that the right was the racists and wanted to stop anything different than themselves. How things have changed.

What year were you "woke"?

 

[realibrad]

They promoted divisiveness & discord, the same thing the GOP has done since Gingrich. I wonder how it feels when a person realizes they've been had by the world's greatest con artist & Russian propagandists. Oh, wait- they don't, do they? Surely that never happened. Couldn't be.

First, Trump is not the greatest con artist.

Its true the Right has been doing shit to stir up its base. The Left looked at how well it worked and has started to do the same. I think its hard for you to see from your perspective, but, in a few years I hope all will realize.

To be clear, the Left would have to make up a massive amount of ground to catch the Right. Does not change that the Left is starting to become authoritarian far more than it was before.

 

[SlowSpyder]

What year were you "woke"?

Probably really started opening my eyes to how the left is the real party of oppression and racism in the last year or two.

Many years ago I outright didn't get a job because I was a white male, that's never sat right with me and probably planted a seed.

 

[Vic]

BTW, isn't it interesting how "the right" tends to avoid using the terms conservative and liberal since Trump got elected?

 

[SlowSpyder]

BTW, isn't it interesting how "the right" tends to avoid using the terms conservative and liberal since Trump got elected?

I use "libs" all the time, but not to say nice things.

 

[Commodus]

No, I argue for freedoms and liberties, to not have to succumb to group think, for equality and against racism. These are all traits the left is opposite of today. Like I said, my values haven't changed from when I felt I was a lot more Dem than Repub, but the party that represents them have. Today the Dems are the oppressors.

You're lying.

You literally treat everything Trump says as gospel; you chant his slogans, and treat any and all criticism of him as if it were an attack on you. You worship someone who says you can't trust anyone other than him, and tells you not to believe what you're seeing. You're the definition of group think.

 

[Vic]

Probably really started opening my eyes to how the left is the real party of oppression and racism in the last year or two.

Many years ago I outright didn't get a job because I was a white male, that's never sat right with me and probably planted a seed.

I'm a white male, and I've never not gotten a job because I was a white male.
You need to just suck it up and admit it to yourself that it's possible that a non-white person or a woman might be better and more qualified at something than you are. That's not racism. Your attitude that such a thing isn't possible is what's racism.

 

[Vic]

I use "libs" all the time, but not to say nice things.

You do realize that liberalism is best defined by the 2nd paragraph of the Declaration of Independence, right?
Speaking of, have you looked into Thomas Jefferson's views on public education? You should, because it aptly explains why the right are opposed to it.

 

[SlowSpyder]

You're lying.

You literally treat everything Trump says as gospel; you chant his slogans, and treat any and all criticism of him as if it were an attack on you. You worship someone who says you can't trust anyone other than him, and tells you not to believe what you're seeing. You're the definition of group think.

No, I see Trump and the antidote to the radical (mainstream?) left of today. He's not perfect, but I'm very happy to see someone in office with backbone that is honestly trying to help America.

 

[SlowSpyder]

I'm a white male, and I've never not gotten a job because I was a white male.
You need to just suck it up and admit it to yourself that it's possible that a non-white person or a woman might be better and more qualified at something than you are. That's not racism. Your attitude that such a thing isn't possible is what's racism.

You don't know the situation. Just say for arguments sake that I 100% didn't get the job because I am a white male and they wanted two women in for the optics. I moved on and have a successful career, life goes on. But to me it is kind of ironic that I'm the victim of racism / sexism due to policies championed by the left, the side that likes to pretend they champion equality. My eyes are opened.

 

[Commodus]

No, I see Trump and the antidote to the radical (mainstream?) left of today. He's not perfect, but I'm very happy to see someone in office with backbone that is honestly trying to help America.

Does backbone mean making largely ineffective deals, throwing Twitter temper tantrums whenever someone criticizes him, and planning policies so terrible that his staff remove documents from his desk to prevent disaster? Sounds more like someone who talks a big game but has nothing to back it up other than yelling louder.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Does backbone mean making largely ineffective deals, throwing Twitter temper tantrums whenever someone criticizes him, and planning policies so terrible that his staff remove documents from his desk to prevent disaster? Sounds more like someone who talks a big game but has nothing to back it up other than yelling louder.

No, backbone means standing up for America and putting in deals that help us. The things you brought up are leftist rah-rah talking points of zero substance.

 

[Jhhnn]

I guess all of that is believable if everything you know about the left comes from right wing talking heads.

He's hitting all the right wing erroneous zones, for sure.

 

[soundforbjt]

No, backbone means standing up for America and putting in deals that help us. The things you brought up are leftist rah-rah talking points of zero substance.

Like he has wrt Russia? Like making sure there's no interference from them in the upcoming election?

 

[ecogen]

No, I see Trump and the antidote to the radical (mainstream?) left of today. He's not perfect, but I'm very happy to see someone in office with backbone that is honestly trying to help America.

He says unironically in a country that has no actual left wing party. Comedy gold.

 

[Vic]

You don't know the situation. Just say for arguments sake that I 100% didn't get the job because I am a white male and they wanted two women in for the optics. I moved on and have a successful career, life goes on. But to me it is kind of ironic that I'm the victim of racism / sexism due to policies championed by the left, the side that likes to pretend they champion equality. My eyes are opened.

In for what optics? Why are you assuming affirmative action? If an employer should be able to hire anyone they want to, then why should they have to hire you?
It seems like you're a victim for the optics, as you say.

 

[Commodus]

No, backbone means standing up for America and putting in deals that help us. The things you brought up are leftist rah-rah talking points of zero substance.

The North Korean deal accomplished nothing. The trade deals with Canada and Mexico are slight spins on NAFTA. The trade war with China is so bad that Trump is subsidizing farmers to pay for the cost increases; China certainly isn't backing down. The border wall probably won't be built, and Mexico will never pay for it. Those aren't "leftist rah-rah talking points;" those are observable facts.

Also, can you tell me what Trump's Twitter hissy fits accomplish, or why you think news outlets with long histories of thorough, accurate uses of inside sources suddenly aren't trustworthy?