Falklands War part 2?

[Remobz]

I'm not avoiding the question. I directly answered it. The problem is that you disagree with my answer. That is fine. Or perhaps you just didn't read the post. I suggest that you re-read it.

I have no clue why people would want to live there or fight over that insignificant piece of land?

 

[MotF Bane]

Argentina will get its ass whipped again.

I can't imagine anyone would doubt that outcome.

 

[RabidMongoose]

I believe the claim is more one of prior settlement and self-determination of the current population.
Your opinion seems to be that geographic proximity and your preference for Argentine colonialism to the British variety justify overruling the desires of the actual residents of the Falklands.

I would be fine with self determination of Argentina has equivalent opportunities with regard to the Malvinas. For example, how about we let Argentina control the Malvinas for 100 years and then take a vote after that time period?

 

[Veliko]

I did answer that particular question. It's just that you and certain pro-UK posters disagree with it. However, I answered the question.

I am against colonialism, but more importantly, I am not in favor of rewarding countries for colonialist behavior. As such, I don't see a legitimate claim for the UK with regard to the Malvinas.

That still isn't an answer.

If you are against colonialism, why do you support the Argentinian claim for the Falklands?

The Argentinian claim is colonialism.

 

[RabidMongoose]

I have no clue why people would want to live there or fight over that insignificant piece of land?

The only people who seem to want to fight and engage in violence for it are the British. The Argentinians make no suggestion of violence. They are seeking peaceful resolution.

 

[Nebor]

I would be fine with self determination of Argentina has equivalent opportunities with regard to the Malvinas. For example, how about we let Argentina control the Malvinas for 100 years and then take a vote after that time period?

How about you stand on your head and see how long you can fly an Argentinean flag out of your ass? You're running in circles at this point.

 

[CallMeJoe]

I would be fine with self determination of Argentina has equivalent opportunities with regard to the Malvinas. For example, how about we let Argentina control the Malvinas for 100 years and then take a vote after that time period?

Argentina should be allowed to colonize the Falklands against the wishes of the residents just because you say so.

Got it.

 

[Veliko]

The only people who seem to want to fight and engage in violence for it are the British. The Argentinians make no suggestion of violence. They are seeking peaceful resolution.

It isn't possible for Britain to engage in violence for the Falklands because they already own it.

The only violence will be of a defensive nature.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Argentina should be allowed to colonize the Falklands against the wishes of the residents just because you say so.

Got it.

The UK should be allowed to retain the Malvinas against all legitimate Argentinian claims just because you say so.

That's the equivalent of what you just said. If you are capable of serious discussion, then please let me know.

 

[MotF Bane]

I would be fine with self determination of Argentina has equivalent opportunities with regard to the Malvinas. For example, how about we let Argentina control the Malvinas for 100 years and then take a vote after that time period?

No. The Falklands are already content as they are, it is only Argentina's imperial ambitions that are dissatisfied.

 

[RabidMongoose]

It isn't possible for Britain to engage in violence for the Falklands because they already own it.

The only violence will be of a defensive nature.

That makes no sense. The UK can definitely engage in violence for the Malvinas and could even make a pre-emptive attack.

Really, Argentina has made no calls for military strikes or violence. Their citizens don't want violence. The only people who are doing anything militarily here are the pro-UK posters here who seem to be calling on the genocide of the Argentinian people.

Again, Argentina is looking for a peaceful resolution.

 

[MotF Bane]

The only people who seem to want to fight and engage in violence for it are the British. The Argentinians make no suggestion of violence. They are seeking peaceful resolution.

REALLY?

They invaded the first time, now they are trying to isolate and strangle the islands, and you think they're being PEACEFUL?

Only in your mind could a nation defending its people and territory somehow be the violent and aggressive nation.

 

[CallMeJoe]

... If you are capable of serious discussion, then please let me know.

We seriously need some sort of <irony> tag on this board.

 

[Nebor]

The UK should be allowed to retain the Malvinas against all legitimate Argentinian claims just because you say so.

That's the equivalent of what you just said. If you are capable of serious discussion, then please let me know.

I've decided that you need an upgrade from finger breaking by Prince Harry while God Save the Queen blasts from a loud speaker to sodomy by the entire Scott's Guard, while Benny Hill music blasts from a loudspeaker.

 

[Veliko]

That makes no sense. The UK can definitely engage in violence for the Malvinas and could even make a pre-emptive attack.

Really, Argentina has made no calls for military strikes or violence. Their citizens don't want violence. The only people who are doing anything militarily here are the pro-UK posters here who seem to be calling on the genocide of the Argentinian people.

Again, Argentina is looking for a peaceful resolution.

Who in Britain has called for military strikes or violence over the Falklands?

The peaceful resolution is for the Argentinians to be quiet and stop causing trouble.

 

[RabidMongoose]

REALLY?

They invaded the first time, now they are trying to isolate and strangle the islands, and you think they're being PEACEFUL?

Only in your mind could a nation defending its people and territory somehow be the violent and aggressive nation.

They invaded 30 years ago under a military junta. That is pretty different than what they are now.

And, yes, Argentina is being peaceful. They are seeking peaceful resolution. That is pretty obvious. Do you think that Argentina is likely to attempt to take the Malvinas by violence?

 

[Nebor]

That makes no sense. The UK can definitely engage in violence for the Malvinas and could even make a pre-emptive attack.

Really, Argentina has made no calls for military strikes or violence. Their citizens don't want violence. The only people who are doing anything militarily here are the pro-UK posters here who seem to be calling on the genocide of the Argentinian people.

Again, Argentina is looking for a peaceful resolution.

So is the US militarizing the Pacific by keeping a fleet at Hawaii? It's a vulnerable, far flung colony. What about Guam?

 

[MotF Bane]

The UK should be allowed to retain the Malvinas against all legitimate Argentinian claims just because you say so.

That's the equivalent of what you just said. If you are capable of serious discussion, then please let me know.

No.

There are NO legitimate Argentinian claims. You have dithered, danced, dodged, and diverted for pages upon pages, and have yet to produce a single solid claim. And yes, the British shall retain the Falklands, as is the wish of the people living on the island, against baseless claims, more accurately known as Argentina's colonialist ambitions.

So, when you want a serious discussion, come back with legitimate, viable reasons for why Argentina should have control over the Falklands.

 

[CallMeJoe]

I've decided that you need an upgrade from finger breaking by Prince Harry while God Save the Queen blasts from a loud speaker to sodomy by the entire Scott's Guard, while Benny Hill music blasts from a loudspeaker.

Please, no. Spare the poor Scots this humiliating task.

 

[KMFJD]

Wow, I had no idea that cell phones per capita meant that a country is a failure.

But, you know, I'd say that their economic growth at nearly 10% last year is a pretty good sign of them not being a failure.

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20120202-719983.html
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20120130-716862.html

Inflation that most economists say is firmly entrenched above 20% is also slowly eroding the competitiveness of exporters.

 

[Nebor]

They invaded 30 years ago under a military junta. That is pretty different than what they are now.

And, yes, Argentina is being peaceful. They are seeking peaceful resolution. That is pretty obvious. Do you think that Argentina is likely to attempt to take the Malvinas by violence?

I'm pretty sure that the British will launch a preemptive chemical attack first. They're not going to be caught off guard by Argentina a second time.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Who in Britain has called for military strikes or violence over the Falklands?

The peaceful resolution is for the Argentinians to be quiet and stop causing trouble.

I didn't say that anyone in the UK is calling for military strikes, aside from posters here who are pro-UK and appear to be calling for genocidal actions against the Argentinians.

The peaceful resolution is for the UK to be quiet and leave the Malvinas. So obviously there's a disagreement here that can be resolved through peaceful channels as the Argentinians are attempting. In contrast, the UK is sending warships.

 

[Veliko]

I didn't say that anyone in the UK is calling for military strikes, aside from posters here who are pro-UK and appear to be calling for genocidal actions against the Argentinians.

The peaceful resolution is for the UK to be quiet and leave the Malvinas. So obviously there's a disagreement here that can be resolved through peaceful channels as the Argentinians are attempting. In contrast, the UK is sending warships.

The UK is sending warships to it's own territory.

 

[RabidMongoose]

No.

There are NO legitimate Argentinian claims.

Obviously I and others disagree. That is the core of the issue. I see no legitimate British claims. These issues should be handled in peaceful discussion between the UK and Argentina.

 

[MotF Bane]

The peaceful resolution is for the UK to be quiet and leave the Malvinas. So obviously there's a disagreement here that can be resolved through peaceful channels as the Argentinians are attempting. In contrast, the UK is sending warships.

You are still wrong. The peaceful resolution is for Argentina to stop posturing, stop grandstanding, stop their efforts to economically ruin the Falklands, and let everyone continue to live in peace. However, that isn't what Argentina is doing, and given their recent history of violence, Britain is absolutely correct in sending warships to guard their citizens.