Falklands War part 2?

[Nebor]

I didn't say that anyone in the UK is calling for military strikes, aside from posters here who are pro-UK and appear to be calling for genocidal actions against the Argentinians.

The peaceful resolution is for the UK to be quiet and leave the Malvinas. So obviously there's a disagreement here that can be resolved through peaceful channels as the Argentinians are attempting. In contrast, the UK is sending warships.

You go with what you know. Should the UK start producing consumer electronics? No, their strength is in genocide.

 

[RabidMongoose]

The UK is sending warships to it's own territory.

To disputed territory. The UK is doing nothing but military intimidation with this move. In contrast, the Argentinians are setting up peaceful talks. There is a significant difference here.

 

[Nebor]

Obviously I and others disagree. That is the core of the issue. I see no legitimate British claims. These issues should be handled in peaceful discussion between the UK and Argentina.

Who are these others? I just see your two usernames in agreement, as usual.

 

[MotF Bane]

Obviously I and others disagree. That is the core of the issue. I see no legitimate British claims. These issues should be handled in peaceful discussion between the UK and Argentina.

Again, you have NOT provided any valid Argentinian claims, and have yet to actually prove anything that invalidates the British claims. No discussion is necessary.

 

[MotF Bane]

Who are these others? I just see your two usernames in agreement, as usual.

Argentinians, and our two resident England-haters.

 

[Veliko]

Obviously I and others disagree. That is the core of the issue. I see no legitimate British claims. These issues should be handled in peaceful discussion between the UK and Argentina.

You are either an idiot or one of those people that thinks creating dull and predictable forum characters is a worthwhile pursuit.

A subtle character with a decent amount of wit and irony is funny. You are just incredibly boring.


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[Nebor]

To disputed territory. The UK is doing nothing but military intimidation with this move. In contrast, the Argentinians are setting up peaceful talks. There is a significant difference here.

When pissant people think they can't win a standup fight, they try to dodge, feign and trick bigger powers to do it for them. That's what the Argentinians are doing, by going begging to the UN.

 

[RabidMongoose]

You are still wrong. The peaceful resolution is for Argentina to stop posturing, stop grandstanding, stop their efforts to economically ruin the Falklands, and let everyone continue to live in peace. However, that isn't what Argentina is doing, and given their recent history of violence, Britain is absolutely correct in sending warships to guard their citizens.

Recent history of violence? From 30 years ago under a military junta? Sorry, but that's not very relevant. Moreover, if we want to go by history, then obviously the UK is going to lose when it comes to who has been more violent.

However, I think that this is all sort of off-topic. The only people who seem to be talking about violence are the pro-UK posters. Violence doesn't seem to be part of this issue.

 

[MotF Bane]

To disputed territory. The UK is doing nothing but military intimidation with this move. In contrast, the Argentinians are setting up peaceful talks. There is a significant difference here.

How do you explain away talks of blockades, and shutting off air traffic, as peaceful actions?

And beyond that, you are again completely wrong. There is nothing about military intimidation in sending military forces to your OWN TERRITORY, which is not disputed by anyone except an aggressive would-be colonialist nation.

 

[Nebor]

Argentinians, and our two resident England-haters.

I went in an Argentinian chat room last night to get their opinion, and as it turns out they don't even speak freakin' English. Yeah, the world is going to turn English speaking land over to non-English speakers.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Who are these others? I just see your two usernames in agreement, as usual.

Argentinians and other South Americans. Moreover, even the US is saying that peaceful bilateral negotiations should take place between Argentina and the UK.

 

[MotF Bane]

Recent history of violence? From 30 years ago under a military junta? Sorry, but that's not very relevant. Moreover, if we want to go by history, then obviously the UK is going to lose when it comes to who has been more violent.

However, I think that this is all sort of off-topic. The only people who seem to be talking about violence are the pro-UK posters. Violence doesn't seem to be part of this issue.

Well, okay, if thirty years is enough to make military history irrelevant, then both nations are really quite peaceful.

This is not off-topic in the slightest, it's just another avenue you are losing on, and would rather close down.

 

[Nebor]

Recent history of violence? From 30 years ago under a military junta? Sorry, but that's not very relevant. Moreover, if we want to go by history, then obviously the UK is going to lose when it comes to who has been more violent.

However, I think that this is all sort of off-topic. The only people who seem to be talking about violence are the pro-UK posters. Violence doesn't seem to be part of this issue.

Violence is always a part of international disputes. It's always on the table. Just think, if someone had visited enough violence on you in your younger years, you might not have turned out to be such an insipid troll.

 

[MotF Bane]

Argentinians and other South Americans. Moreover, even the US is saying that peaceful bilateral negotiations should take place between Argentina and the UK.

Yeah, the rest of South America is such an unbiased group.

 

[Nebor]

Argentinians and other South Americans. Moreover, even the US is saying that peaceful bilateral negotiations should take place between Argentina and the UK.

The US is saying no such thing. I'll believe it when I see it come out of the statue of liberty's mouth.

 

[MotF Bane]

I'm done with this thread until such time as Rabid can produce even a single solid viable claim that Argentina has over the Falklands.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Well, okay, if thirty years is enough to make military history irrelevant, then both nations are really quite peaceful.

This is not off-topic in the slightest, it's just another avenue you are losing on, and would rather close down.

To be honest, obviously even recent history shows the UK as being more violent than Argentina. What wars has Argentina been involved in recently? The UK has been involved in the whole Iraq mess from the beginning. Argentina wasn't even part of that.

I think that Argentina has shown itself to be quite a peaceful nation. Moreover, Argentina is NOT seeking violence with regards to the Malvinas. They are seeking peaceful resolution so this talk off violence makes no sense.

 

[Nebor]

I'm done with this thread until such time as Rabid can produce even a single solid viable claim that Argentina has over the Falklands.

Don't give up now, if we can get him to troll out to 30 pages he'll get a week long vacation on both of his accounts!

 

[RabidMongoose]

I'm done with this thread until such time as Rabid can produce even a single solid viable claim that Argentina has over the Falklands.

I have linked to the Argentinian claims, which I agree with. You are welcome to disagree with their claims, but I personally find them to be legitimate.

If you would like to discuss the Argentinian claims, then feel free to do so, but I think that saying that I haven't put up a 'single solid viable claim' is disingenuous, it would be akin to me saying that nobody has put up a single solid viable British claim just because I disagree with the UK claims.

I personally don't think that the British claims are legitimate, but that doesn't mean that nobody has put up British claims.

If you would like to discuss these claims without going off-topic and throwing personal insults at me just because I disagree with your opinion, then I welcome your input. Thanks.

 

[Nebor]

I have linked to the Argentinian claims, which I agree with. You are welcome to disagree with their claims, but I personally find them to be legitimate.

If you would like to discuss the Argentinian claims, then feel free to do so, but I think that saying that I haven't put up a 'single solid viable claim' is disingenuous, it would be akin to me saying that nobody has put up a single solid viable British claim just because I disagree with the UK claims.

I personally don't think that the British claims are legitimate, but that doesn't mean that nobody has put up British claims.

If you would like to discuss these claims without going off-topic and throwing personal insults at me just because I disagree with your opinion, then I welcome your input. Thanks.

No one is going to do that, because reasonable people see things the way the British do: There's nothing to discuss.

 

[Infohawk]

Don't give up now, if we can get him to troll out to 30 pages he'll get a week long vacation on both of his accounts!

Someone else will pick up the slack. The problem with these guys is they don't really have a discussion, they just repeat their positions over and over. After a while, there's no point to it and the forum is worse off.

 

[Abwx]

Falklands , or rather Las Malvinas , is legitim argentinian territory...

The brits did take these islands by force from Argentina..

What is funny is that the UK did brought colonizers there
and currently say that only if theses invaders choose to be Argentinians
citizens the UK would give the islands back to their legitimate owner.....

 

[Doppel]

Wow this thread is going fast. I can't catch up.

I have seen no numbers, but evidently the 3000 or so residents are in huge majority interested in staying under Britain's sovereignty, not Argentina's. So whether Argentina had a rightful claim back in the 19th century or not, at this point

a) The islanders want to remain part of Britain and
b)

In 1947, the United Kingdom offered to submit the case to the International Court of Justice at The Hague, but Argentina refused the offer. A unilateral application by the United Kingdom in 1955 to the Court in respect of Argentine encroachment ended in deadlock when Argentina announced that it would not respect the decision of the court.[wiki]

England already offered some decades ago to resolve this in court. Argentina said no. Instead Argentina tries to take the islands by force from people who do not want to be part of it. And they got smacked down for the effort.

Also Argentina does nothing to engender itself to the islanders, limiting their use of airfields and what not.

 

[Infohawk]

Falklands , or rather Las Malvinas , is legitim argentinian territory...

The brits did take these islands by force from Argentina..

What is funny is that the UK did brought colonizers there
and currently say that only if theses invaders choose to be Argentinians
citizens the UK would give the islands back to their legitimate owner.....

Do you know where 90% of Argentinians are originally from? Europe. They are all colonists too.

 

[MotF Bane]

Falklands , or rather Las Malvinas , is legitim argentinian territory...

The brits did take these islands by force from Argentina..

What is funny is that the UK did brought colonizers there
and currently say that only if theses invaders choose to be Argentinians
citizens the UK would give the islands back to their legitimate owner.....

Under what cause are they are a legitimate Argentinian territory?