Falklands War part 2?

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Craig234

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Doppel said:
Wow this thread is going fast. I can't catch up.

I have seen no numbers, but evidently the 3000 or so residents are in huge majority interested in staying under Britain's sovereignty, not Argentina's. So whether Argentina had a rightful claim back in the 19th century or not, at this point

a) The islanders want to remain part of Britain and
b)

England already offered some decades ago to resolve this in court. Argentina said no. Instead Argentina tries to take the islands by force from people who do not want to be part of it. And they got smacked down for the effort.

Also Argentina does nothing to engender itself to the islanders, limiting their use of airfields and what not.
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So when 'ancient history' in on Argentina's side, ignore it, and when it's on England's side, that settles the matter now?

I'm not taking a position since I don't have the information, nor am I discussing the issue of the residents' preference, just the inconsistent arguments.

Just because one side declined the process in 1947 doesn't mean it's not the best option today. Sure beats people being killed.
 
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Craig234

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Abwx said:
Falklands , or rather Las Malvinas , is legitim argentinian territory...

The brits did take these islands by force from Argentina..

What is funny is that the UK did brought colonizers there
and currently say that only if theses invaders choose to be Argentinians
citizens the UK would give the islands back to their legitimate owner.....
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Problematic, isn't it?

Yet the US took half of Mexico by force unjustly, and isn't planning to give it back.
 
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BladeVenom

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I don't get why the Argentinians are such douchebags? Why don't they have any regard for what the people who actually live on the island want.
 
Fern

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Craig234 said:
So when 'ancient history' in on Argentina's side,
-snip-
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There is no "ancient history" on Argentina's side.

The people of present day Argentina are largely just descendants of Spanish Colonists who have since declared independence.

Other than some geographical proximity, those 'colonists' have no claim to the land inhabited by the other colonists (Falklanders). (Looks to me like the whole geographical proximity thing is of question since Chile appears to be closer to the Falklands than Argentina.)

Fern
 
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Fern

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BladeVenom said:
I don't get why the Argentinians are such douchebags? Why don't they have any regard for what the people who actually live on the island want.
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Good question.

I see little actual value in the Falklands. And Argentina has no shortage of land itself.

Fern
 
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Abwx

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Craig234 said:
Problematic, isn't it?

Yet the US took half of Mexico by force unjustly, and isn't planning to give it back.
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That s right , yet the US and Mexico did sign a peace treaty
and an agreement that did "legitimate" the grab by the US IIRC ,
while Argentina didnt sign anything....
 
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Infohawk

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Abwx said:
That wasnt the point....
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It undermines your point. You said the British people on the Falklands were colonizers and you suggested another group of people have more of a right to that land. Why did you bring up the fact that they were colonists if you didn't think it was relevant?
 
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Abwx

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Fern said:
There is no "ancient history" on Argentina's side.

The people of present day Argentina are largely just descendants of Spanish Colonists who have since declared independence.

Other than some geographical proximity, those 'colonists' have no claim to the land inhabited by the other colonists (Falklanders). (Looks to me like the whole geographical proximity thing is of question since Chile appears to be closer to the Falklands than Argentina.)

Fern
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The islands were property of Argentina.
The current colonist were brought after the island were seized
by the UK and arentinian people were expelled, so your reasoning is just non sense.
 
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Abwx

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Infohawk said:
It undermines your point. You said the British people on the Falklands were colonizers and you suggested another group of people have more of a right to that land. Why did you bring up the fact that they were colonists if you didn't think it was relevant?
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Read above.....
 
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RabidMongoose

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Fern said:
(Looks to me like the whole geographical proximity thing is of question since Chile appears to be closer to the Falklands than Argentina.)

Fern
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How is Chile closer?

Does Chile make any claims on the Malvinas anyways? Chile actually supports the Argentinians here.
 
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Abwx

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CallMeJoe said:
Are you referring to the British reclamation of the islands in 1833?
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Yes.
Theses islands were disputed , that is a fact , but one thing is to consider :
by wich right the UK , wich is in Europe , goes through the world
seizing remote lands that are thousands miles from Albion ?...

The UK has a long history of predation of other s land ressources ,
so i have no sympathy for a nation that was and is still living
by health transfers.
 
KMFJD

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Fern said:
There is no "ancient history" on Argentina's side.

The people of present day Argentina are largely just descendants of Spanish Colonists who have since declared independence.

Other than some geographical proximity, those 'colonists' have no claim to the land inhabited by the other colonists (Falklanders). (Looks to me like the whole geographical proximity thing is of question since Chile appears to be closer to the Falklands than Argentina.)

Fern
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Argentina invaded the Falkland Islands some time in the 1830's and were kicked out by the UK shortly after, the same thing happened in 1982 but the UK response was a bit quicker this time.

/Large Oil reserves have been discovered, UK had offered Argentina a substantial portion of these reserves (around half) but they withdrew from negotiations, just like they withdrew from negotiation when the United Kingdom offered to take the dispute over the Falkland Island Dependencies to mediation at the International Court of Justice in The Hague (1947,1948 and 1955) on each occasion Argentina declined.


//see the similarity with CoM and Argentina?
///all three are trolls
 
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Abwx said:
Yes.
Theses islands were disputed , that is a fact , but one thing is to consider :
by wich right the UK , wich is in Europe , goes through the world
seizing remote lands that are thousands miles from Albion ?...

The UK has a long history of predation of other s land ressources ,
so i have no sympathy for a nation that was and is still living
by health transfers.
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not sure if serious...unless you are native american you are so full of shit you must be chocking on it
 
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RabidMongoose

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Abwx said:
Yes.
Theses islands were disputed , that is a fact , but one thing is to consider :
by wich right the UK , wich is in Europe , goes through the world
seizing remote lands that are thousands miles from Albion ?...

The UK has a long history of predation of other s land ressources ,
so i have no sympathy for a nation that was and is still living
by health transfers.
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Excellent post.
 
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Abwx

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KMFJD said:
not sure if serious...unless you are native american you are so full of shit you must be chocking on it
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Serious only for those who have some knowledge of history,
the others , like you , will call this shit the same way the nazis
called Picasso s art shit.....
 
CallMeJoe

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Abwx said:
Yes.
Theses islands were disputed , that is a fact , but one thing is to consider :
by wich right the UK , wich is in Europe , goes through the world
seizing remote lands that are thousands miles from Albion ?...

The UK has a long history of predation of other s land ressources ,
so i have no sympathy for a nation that was and is still living
by health transfers.
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Why did Spain, through the Viceroyalty of the Rio de la Plate, have a better claim to the islands than did the British? Both were European colonial powers.
 
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Infohawk

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Abwx said:
Dont come to the erroneous conclusion that i would support
any colonial power...
Condemning Britain is not supporting Spain , isnt it ?..
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Argentina's claim comes from Spain's claim. Why do you think Spain's claim was more legitimate than the UK's? Because it came first? There's no point overanalyzing these historical colonial claims.

The only thing that really relevant today is that the UK's been in possession for over a hundred years and more importantly that the people there want to be British.
 
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Abwx

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CallMeJoe said:
Why did Spain, through the Viceroyalty of the Rio de la Plate, have a better claim to the islands than did the British? Both were European colonial powers.
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Ultimately , a new nation did inherit them , rendering the two
former colonial power illegitimate.

It s just funny to see how die hard extremist the UK is when
claiming a land that has nothing to do with the UK.

I guess that if any nation on earth was so extremist in regard
of the past history the UK would be condemned to pay ad vitam
eternam for all the destructions and evil she commited through
her bloody colonial history....
 
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