Fairness Doctrine...........merely Censorship what do you think?

[jonks]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: quest55720
If the democrats get a super majority the fairness doctrine might be the first bill Obama signs into law. This has been the dream of democrats for a long time to shut down talk radio. If they get the chance they will kill talk radio to ensure all media but fox news is liberal. Then I am sure they will find a way to get fox news off the air to kill all voices of opposition.

you're a big rush and hannity fan ain't ya?

you guys are gonna have a long 4 years if this is the sort of thing you are going to spend your time attacking. I think obama and the dems might be a little busier with the economy, the war, healthcare and applying tape to the shredded constitution. not to mention that obama said he was against it, but whatever.

and really, the first bill he signs into law? the first bill the first black president signs into law is going to be on....the fairness doctrine. your powers of prognostication rival pre-war neocons on our reception in iraq.

He also said he was for the DC gun ban, remember? Then he changed his mind. :roll:

Obama has never stood up to Pelosi and company.

Sorry, but your talking point was for the 2008 election. Back to the drawing board.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: Vic
FUD. This issue is basically a bogeyman to get talk radio wingnuts to continue toeing the Republican party line, by convincing them that all the Dems are far left liberals, when in fact the only reason the Democratic party is gaining in power is because it is acquiring moderates and independents who have been disenfranchised by the Republican party's swing to the far right. The idea of coalition parties seems to be lost on too many people. There's a lot of "blue dog" conservative Dems in Congress, talk radio is controlled by some very powerful corporate interests, all who would fight this tooth-and-nail. Fox News is owned by the world's largest media corporation FFS. Clear Channel owns or controls much of the radio stations and their programming in this country, including Rush Limbuagh.
It's not gonna happen. Nor is it a priority. But, there will be some legitimate concern about the slanderous hate speech coming out of talk radio from both sides, and I do believe that will have to be addressed in some way, as much of it is the media equivalent of yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.

Regardless if it passes or not, the very thougth that this is good legislation is nauseating at the least.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: quest55720
If the democrats get a super majority the fairness doctrine might be the first bill Obama signs into law. This has been the dream of democrats for a long time to shut down talk radio. If they get the chance they will kill talk radio to ensure all media but fox news is liberal. Then I am sure they will find a way to get fox news off the air to kill all voices of opposition.

you're a big rush and hannity fan ain't ya?

you guys are gonna have a long 4 years if this is the sort of thing you are going to spend your time attacking. I think obama and the dems might be a little busier with the economy, the war, healthcare and applying tape to the shredded constitution. not to mention that obama said he was against it, but whatever.

and really, the first bill he signs into law? the first bill the first black president signs into law is going to be on....the fairness doctrine. your powers of prognostication rival pre-war neocons on our reception in iraq.

He also said he was for the DC gun ban, remember? Then he changed his mind. :roll:

Obama has never stood up to Pelosi and company.

Sorry, but your talking point was for the 2008 election. Back to the drawing board.

A simple fact is a talking point?

Obama will need to prepare for the 2012 election at some point and the inevitable Hillary Clinton primary challenge. That means toeing the line.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The air waves belong to the people. No corporation should be able to monopolize them. Anybody who wants to jam their broadcasts should be as free to do so and anybody broadcasting on them.

The media should be paid for by the government and the content strictly regulated by independent bodies who should be free to reasonable use. No one crack pot should have a huge voice, but none should be totally shut out either. All information should be presented with multiple input, at least like Handleshimself and Brush, as well as greens libertarians etc. Most people have never heard opinions that differ much from their own and not the least of reasons is that they are deaf to them.

If you don't like what's being said, then change the f'in channel. jeebus. Isn't that the argument you loonies use for TV broadcasts?

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: quest55720
If the democrats get a super majority the fairness doctrine might be the first bill Obama signs into law. This has been the dream of democrats for a long time to shut down talk radio. If they get the chance they will kill talk radio to ensure all media but fox news is liberal. Then I am sure they will find a way to get fox news off the air to kill all voices of opposition.

you're a big rush and hannity fan ain't ya?

you guys are gonna have a long 4 years if this is the sort of thing you are going to spend your time attacking. I think obama and the dems might be a little busier with the economy, the war, healthcare and applying tape to the shredded constitution. not to mention that obama said he was against it, but whatever.

and really, the first bill he signs into law? the first bill the first black president signs into law is going to be on....the fairness doctrine. your powers of prognostication rival pre-war neocons on our reception in iraq.

He also said he was for the DC gun ban, remember? Then he changed his mind. :roll:

Obama has never stood up to Pelosi and company.

Sorry, but your talking point was for the 2008 election. Back to the drawing board.

A simple fact is a talking point?

Obama will need to prepare for the 2012 election at some point and the inevitable Hillary Clinton primary challenge. That means toeing the line.

who says there's no funny conservatives?

 

[mxyzptlk]

Originally posted by: jonks

Inherent in the freedom of speech is the freedom NOT to speak. The gov't shouldn't be mandating how we argue.

I guess that sounds reasonable. I could sort of agree in that I don't wish to see government interference in what opinions are allowed to be expressed over the air. However, I would like to see counterarguments to.. well, pretty much everything. No one should have a monopoly of opinion on the public airwaves. Make room for everyone, I say.

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
The argument goes that the stations carrying the right wing shows have to have opposing viewpoint shows which are unprofitable and end up losing the station money, so they have to change formats or shut down.

this is why I'm disgusted with partisan politics. Telling both sides of the story is unprofitable? Fuck everybody involved with that, from listeners/viewers who can't see past their own colon to try and understand a different viewpoint than their own, to the owners who get rich on feeding the first group the bullshit that they want to hear. Everything about that is fucked.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: quest55720
If the democrats get a super majority the fairness doctrine might be the first bill Obama signs into law. This has been the dream of democrats for a long time to shut down talk radio. If they get the chance they will kill talk radio to ensure all media but fox news is liberal. Then I am sure they will find a way to get fox news off the air to kill all voices of opposition.

you're a big rush and hannity fan ain't ya?

you guys are gonna have a long 4 years if this is the sort of thing you are going to spend your time attacking. I think obama and the dems might be a little busier with the economy, the war, healthcare and applying tape to the shredded constitution. not to mention that obama said he was against it, but whatever.

and really, the first bill he signs into law? the first bill the first black president signs into law is going to be on....the fairness doctrine. your powers of prognostication rival pre-war neocons on our reception in iraq.

He also said he was for the DC gun ban, remember? Then he changed his mind. :roll:

Obama has never stood up to Pelosi and company.

Sorry, but your talking point was for the 2008 election. Back to the drawing board.

A simple fact is a talking point?

Obama will need to prepare for the 2012 election at some point and the inevitable Hillary Clinton primary challenge. That means toeing the line.

who says there's no funny conservatives?

Guess you've forgotten Ted Kennedy's primary challenge to Carter's failed presidency?

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Elias824
the fairness doctrine is insane, though its not really censorship. There has to be equal time given to all side of the argument, although you could still argue about whatever you want. Really its all just a ploy to silence the predominantly controlled conservative talk radio

Yep. Keith Olbermann will continue to spew his bullshit.

The idea is to silence anything that resembles conservative material while letting the rest of the liberal media fly under the radar.

Your tin foil hat is crooked

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: brandonbull

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The air waves belong to the people. No corporation should be able to monopolize them. Anybody who wants to jam their broadcasts should be as free to do so and anybody broadcasting on them.

The media should be paid for by the government and the content strictly regulated by independent bodies who should be free to reasonable use. No one crack pot should have a huge voice, but none should be totally shut out either. All information should be presented with multiple input, at least like Handleshimself and Brush, as well as greens libertarians etc. Most people have never heard opinions that differ much from their own and not the least of reasons is that they are deaf to them.

Sarcasm meter is about to explode

I don't know why. It was typical Moonbeam 200 year in the future brilliance, filled with deep understanding and insight. And besides that it makes perfect sense. I am aware, however, that it contradicts the programming given the robot sheep who have been bought and paid for by corporate brainwashing.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The air waves belong to the people. No corporation should be able to monopolize them. Anybody who wants to jam their broadcasts should be as free to do so and anybody broadcasting on them.

The media should be paid for by the government and the content strictly regulated by independent bodies who should be free to reasonable use. No one crack pot should have a huge voice, but none should be totally shut out either. All information should be presented with multiple input, at least like Handleshimself and Brush, as well as greens libertarians etc. Most people have never heard opinions that differ much from their own and not the least of reasons is that they are deaf to them.

Culture, of which the media is a part of, belongs to the people. What you propose is a Canadian or European-style stagnation of culture with very little cultural output and lack of evolution.

I have no idea what you are babbling about. I know nothing about Canada or Europe, the opinion being expressed being totally my own. But I find nothing odd in your feeling your culture is somehow advanced. All the cultured people I know say the only sign of it around here is in San Francisco. But perhaps your thinking of our advanced science of evolution, sense you mentioned that word, in the form of Intelligent Design. And you need only go to a Republican convention to know you're in one of the most backward cultures on earth. Ask Gandhi.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The air waves belong to the people. No corporation should be able to monopolize them. Anybody who wants to jam their broadcasts should be as free to do so and anybody broadcasting on them.

The media should be paid for by the government and the content strictly regulated by independent bodies who should be free to reasonable use. No one crack pot should have a huge voice, but none should be totally shut out either. All information should be presented with multiple input, at least like Handleshimself and Brush, as well as greens libertarians etc. Most people have never heard opinions that differ much from their own and not the least of reasons is that they are deaf to them.

If you don't like what's being said, then change the f'in channel. jeebus. Isn't that the argument you loonies use for TV broadcasts?

I am not a loonie. The reason you have all that shit on the air is because shit sells. Year by year the already enormously degraded consciousness of people is degraded further and further in the effort to attract salacious eyes to baser and baser garbage. This is again the fault of filthy corporations who parasitize you with poison to keep you glued to your set so they can manipulate and shape your mind to insure that forever and ever you will compete with the Jones to own a better toy. All self worth, the inherent right of any normally formed and matured person is snuffed out in childhood by the monstrous inculcation of feelings of worthlessness and forever thereafter your wasted lives are a basket case of need and repair, of endless searching and longing for some source of relief in the arms of some babe on TV.

And all this is done for money and greed and the total indifference to the effects having your brain soaked in shit for a lifetime has.

You live in a world of vacuum cleaners sucking other vacuum cleaners, an endless parade of emptiness trying to be filled.

Change the channel, you dim wit, yes change it from shit to shit. You want free choice but you don't understand that the wish of the mentally ill, that's you, is to jump off a bridge.

When I'm dictator the culturally elite will decide what's on TV and it will all be of the government's tab. It will all be history, science, culture, art, politics and anything else that raises the consciousness of man. And there will be plenty of open mikes for people off the street to express their opinion, whole shows where Joe the Plumber and bamacre can complain about how unfairly they are treated. I'll even create mental hospitals for those who want to watch reruns form the present dark ages.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: winnar111

A simple fact is a talking point?

Obama will need to prepare for the 2012 election at some point and the inevitable Hillary Clinton primary challenge. That means toeing the line.

who says there's no funny conservatives?

Guess you've forgotten Ted Kennedy's primary challenge to Carter's failed presidency?

Hey guys, a Democrat challenged another Democrat once. That means a challenge by Hillary in 2012 is inevitable.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: loki8481
I think the fairness doctrine and card checking could be two important issues to see if Obama is going to stand up to the house/senate dems or not.

I guess we'll see if Pelosi tries to push them through.

My sentiments exactly. Obama said he was against it, and we'll certainly find out during his first term when it lands on his desk.

 

[QuantumPion]

You have the right to free speech. You don't have the right to be heard.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: loki8481
I think the fairness doctrine and card checking could be two important issues to see if Obama is going to stand up to the house/senate dems or not.

I guess we'll see if Pelosi tries to push them through.

My sentiments exactly. Obama said he was against it, and we'll certainly find out during his first term when it lands on his desk.

You fools will rue the day the Democrats control the media and your messages from the right are snuffed out before they see the light of day. You're riding high now but just wait.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: loki8481
I think the fairness doctrine and card checking could be two important issues to see if Obama is going to stand up to the house/senate dems or not.

I guess we'll see if Pelosi tries to push them through.

My sentiments exactly. Obama said he was against it, and we'll certainly find out during his first term when it lands on his desk.

You fools will rue the day the Democrats control the media and your messages from the right are snuffed out before they see the light of day. You're riding high now but just wait.

Yawn

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The air waves belong to the people. No corporation should be able to monopolize them. Anybody who wants to jam their broadcasts should be as free to do so and anybody broadcasting on them.

The media should be paid for by the government and the content strictly regulated by independent bodies who should be free to reasonable use. No one crack pot should have a huge voice, but none should be totally shut out either. All information should be presented with multiple input, at least like Handleshimself and Brush, as well as greens libertarians etc. Most people have never heard opinions that differ much from their own and not the least of reasons is that they are deaf to them.

Culture, of which the media is a part of, belongs to the people. What you propose is a Canadian or European-style stagnation of culture with very little cultural output and lack of evolution.

I have no idea what you are babbling about. I know nothing about Canada or Europe, the opinion being expressed being totally my own.

Ah, I see. You are an isolated monoculturalist. Culture in Canada and most of Europe is not owned by the people. Culture is owned by the government in those countries. Thus, the cultures there have stagnated and cultural output is extremely low.

But I find nothing odd in your feeling your culture is somehow advanced. All the cultured people I know say the only sign of it around here is in San Francisco. But perhaps your thinking of our advanced science of evolution, sense you mentioned that word, in the form of Intelligent Design. And you need only go to a Republican convention to know you're in one of the most backward cultures on earth. Ask Gandhi.

The cultural genocide you advocate is not an ideology popular in the SF Bay Area.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The air waves belong to the people. No corporation should be able to monopolize them. Anybody who wants to jam their broadcasts should be as free to do so and anybody broadcasting on them.

The media should be paid for by the government and the content strictly regulated by independent bodies who should be free to reasonable use. No one crack pot should have a huge voice, but none should be totally shut out either. All information should be presented with multiple input, at least like Handleshimself and Brush, as well as greens libertarians etc. Most people have never heard opinions that differ much from their own and not the least of reasons is that they are deaf to them.

Culture, of which the media is a part of, belongs to the people. What you propose is a Canadian or European-style stagnation of culture with very little cultural output and lack of evolution.

I have no idea what you are babbling about. I know nothing about Canada or Europe, the opinion being expressed being totally my own.

Ah, I see. You are an isolated monoculturalist. Culture in Canada and most of Europe is not owned by the people. Culture is owned by the government in those countries. Thus, the cultures there have stagnated and cultural output is extremely low.

But I find nothing odd in your feeling your culture is somehow advanced. All the cultured people I know say the only sign of it around here is in San Francisco. But perhaps your thinking of our advanced science of evolution, sense you mentioned that word, in the form of Intelligent Design. And you need only go to a Republican convention to know you're in one of the most backward cultures on earth. Ask Gandhi.

The cultural genocide you advocate is not an ideology popular in the SF Bay Area.

Sorry, Pal, I don't know what you're talking about. Try plain English.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The air waves belong to the people. No corporation should be able to monopolize them. Anybody who wants to jam their broadcasts should be as free to do so and anybody broadcasting on them.

The media should be paid for by the government and the content strictly regulated by independent bodies who should be free to reasonable use. No one crack pot should have a huge voice, but none should be totally shut out either. All information should be presented with multiple input, at least like Handleshimself and Brush, as well as greens libertarians etc. Most people have never heard opinions that differ much from their own and not the least of reasons is that they are deaf to them.

Culture, of which the media is a part of, belongs to the people. What you propose is a Canadian or European-style stagnation of culture with very little cultural output and lack of evolution.

I have no idea what you are babbling about. I know nothing about Canada or Europe, the opinion being expressed being totally my own.

Ah, I see. You are an isolated monoculturalist. Culture in Canada and most of Europe is not owned by the people. Culture is owned by the government in those countries. Thus, the cultures there have stagnated and cultural output is extremely low.

But I find nothing odd in your feeling your culture is somehow advanced. All the cultured people I know say the only sign of it around here is in San Francisco. But perhaps your thinking of our advanced science of evolution, sense you mentioned that word, in the form of Intelligent Design. And you need only go to a Republican convention to know you're in one of the most backward cultures on earth. Ask Gandhi.

The cultural genocide you advocate is not an ideology popular in the SF Bay Area.

Sorry, Pal, I don't know what you're talking about. Try plain English.

I've had many bigots assume that I do not speak English because of my ethnicity. Rhetoric like that does not phase me.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms


I've had many bigots assume that I do not speak English because of my ethnicity. Rhetoric like that does not phase me.

Dear Sir, There is nothing wrong with your English or grammar that I detected or was referring to, nor did I have any idea who you are or where you are from. I try never to make fun of people of people who speak more languages than I:

Ah, I see. You are an isolated monoculturalist.

M: I don't know what an isolated monoculturalist is or what you want to imply by that.

Culture in Canada and most of Europe is not owned by the people.

M: I have no idea what that means. Canadian Culture belongs to Canadians, in my opinion. This is probably some kind of code for you that it isn't for me.

Culture is owned by the government in those countries.

M: I just have no idea how a government can own a culture.

Thus, the cultures there have stagnated and cultural output is extremely low.

M: There is no thus for me.

 

[Toasthead]

Originally posted by: bamacre
If it is a creation of government, then it is safe to assume the fairness doctrine is unfair.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Rustler
http://thehill.com/leading-the...lanced-2008-11-04.html

Here comes the fairness doctrine if the Dems win super majorities in the house and senate they will want to control all aspects of the media which is predominately liberal........................

YOU WILL DO AS YOU ARE TOLD UNTIL THE RIGHTS TO YOU ARE SOLD..........THATS RIGHT FOLKS DON'T TOUCH THAT DIAL..........................

Topic Title: Fairness Doctrine...........merely Censorship what do you think?

You honestly believe that allowing corporations owned by Republicans putting only Republicans on the peoples airwaves has been fair?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Rustler
http://thehill.com/leading-the...lanced-2008-11-04.html

Here comes the fairness doctrine if the Dems win super majorities in the house and senate they will want to control all aspects of the media which is predominately liberal........................

YOU WILL DO AS YOU ARE TOLD UNTIL THE RIGHTS TO YOU ARE SOLD..........THATS RIGHT FOLKS DON'T TOUCH THAT DIAL..........................

Topic Title: Fairness Doctrine...........merely Censorship what do you think?

You honestly believe that allowing corporations owned by Republicans putting only Republicans on the peoples airwaves has been fair?

Dave, just gotta poke my head in and say that Obama looks like he's doing just fine with or without North Carolina.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Rustler
http://thehill.com/leading-the...lanced-2008-11-04.html

Here comes the fairness doctrine if the Dems win super majorities in the house and senate they will want to control all aspects of the media which is predominately liberal........................

YOU WILL DO AS YOU ARE TOLD UNTIL THE RIGHTS TO YOU ARE SOLD..........THATS RIGHT FOLKS DON'T TOUCH THAT DIAL..........................

Topic Title: Fairness Doctrine...........merely Censorship what do you think?

You honestly believe that allowing corporations owned by Republicans putting only Republicans on the peoples airwaves has been fair?

Dave, just gotta poke my head in and say that Obama looks like he's doing just fine with or without North Carolina.

Yes, thank god

It is so refreshing to see not so many Red states.

Looking at the Map you can see the old white and religious bigots clearly squeezed.

That was the huge accomplishment. People that believe in America got out the vote.

 

[SparkyJJO]

That "fairness doctrine" is totally against free speech. If one radio station wants right-wing talk, so be it. If another wants left-wing talk, so be it. This is yet just another attempt at censorship :thumbsdown: