Extending drug testing to all students, Yea or Nay?

[tweakmm]

Everybody who voted 'yes' needs to download
ben harper - burn one down

 

[Mikelh]

<< Drug testing is just another sector of society where the government doesn't belong. Unless a student is causing obvious harm to himself or others it is just not necessary >>



Disrupting class and wreckless living is harmful to others.



<< And besides that, WTH do some people want the USA to be? Communist Russia? Do you want the government to tuck you in to bed every night? :disgust: >>



Pretentious fear. That won't happen. It's just your way of drifting from the subject of discussion.



<< AND mandatory drug testing violates the 4th Amendment. >>



It does?

Mandatory drug testing exists in most responsible workplaces.

Home Depot even warns, "if you do drugs, don't apply here". They test. Makes sense to me! I haven't seen them prosecuted for violating any Amendments! Have you?

Michael

 

[toant103]

yah, cause i'm not a drug user

 

[PistachioByAzul]

It's the guilty who want a lack of enforcement, not the law abiding citizens.

Kind of reminds me of the attitude during the Salem witch trials (as represented by the movies and books) of, if you're not a witch you have nothing to fear. The problem (among others) with that was that there was nothing to be guilty of to begin with, it was only imagined. I think the same applies to "drugs".

 

[bonk102]

i think if it's a public school, they have every right to drug test their students, if it's a private school, that's a diff. matter because you are paying to go there and you may not want your privacy invaded, esp if it is a private college

 

[kami]

I say go ahead and do it, but I really don't care much either way.

 

[Mikelh]

<< It's the guilty who want a lack of enforcement, not the law abiding citizens.

Kind of reminds me of the attitude during the Salem witch trials (as represented by the movies and books) of, if you're not a witch you have nothing to fear. The problem (among others) with that was that there was nothing to be guilty of to begin with, it was only imagined. I think the same applies to "drugs". >>



Are you saying there is no drug problem in America? It's all our imagination?

 

[tweakmm]

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<< Drug testing is just another sector of society where the government doesn't belong. Unless a student is causing obvious harm to himself or others it is just not necessary >>



Disrupting class and wreckless living is harmful to others.
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How? I fail to see how a kid who smokes a couple joints on the weekend(hell, durring the week) and is a good student is harmful to others.... and in regards to disrupting class, I've never seen someone spark up durring class, unless you are trying to say that people who smoke pot are automaticly trouble makers

 

[lllJRlll]

<< Hell yes! We can finally get the stoners out of school. This way they cant bother the people who actually want to learn. >>



When have you ever had a stoner ever bother you from learning?

 

[tweakmm]

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<< It's the guilty who want a lack of enforcement, not the law abiding citizens.

Kind of reminds me of the attitude during the Salem witch trials (as represented by the movies and books) of, if you're not a witch you have nothing to fear. The problem (among others) with that was that there was nothing to be guilty of to begin with, it was only imagined. I think the same applies to "drugs". >>



Are you saying there is no drug problem in America? It's all our imagination? >>


I don't think that it is a problem. I think our drug laws are very archiac and the only reason why weed isn't legal is a bunch of money is poured into our government to keep it illegal.

 

[mithrandir2001]

<< Home Depot even warns, "if you do drugs, don't apply here". They test. Makes sense to me! I haven't seen them prosecuted for violating any Amendments! Have you? >>


Employment is optional, education is mandatory. There is a difference.

Public high schools have gone to sh!t these last ten years since I've been there. Metal detectors, mandatory ID badges, zero tolerance policies, now mandatory drug testing. I wouldn't want to send my child to such a paranoid institution. Kids need less condescending environments than that.

 

[Shaftatplanetquake]

<< i think if it's a public school, they have every right to drug test their students, if it's a private school, that's a diff. matter because you are paying to go there and you may not want your privacy invaded, esp if it is a private college >>



Do you think that people who are attending public schools are always happy about where they are? Do you think they chose to attend the school they attend? Do you think that a kid's privacy should cost money? And certainly a kid won't be able to pay his own way into a private school, seeing as how in this country we have things known as child labor laws. You talk as if an individual minor is the same entity as his parents.

 

[SpongeBob]

Schools should only be allowed to test people who are repeatedly causing trouble.

For some kid that wants to join the band to have to take a drug test is just ridiculous. Spend the taxpayers money on something that will really help the kids.

 

[Mikelh]

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<< It's the guilty who want a lack of enforcement, not the law abiding citizens.

Kind of reminds me of the attitude during the Salem witch trials (as represented by the movies and books) of, if you're not a witch you have nothing to fear. The problem (among others) with that was that there was nothing to be guilty of to begin with, it was only imagined. I think the same applies to "drugs". >>



Are you saying there is no drug problem in America? It's all our imagination? >>


I don't think that it is a problem. I think our drug laws are very archiac and the only reason why weed isn't legal is a bunch of money is poured into our government to keep it illegal. >>



Do you believe that weed is the only thing being sold on the streets?

 

[tweakmm]

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<< It's the guilty who want a lack of enforcement, not the law abiding citizens.

Kind of reminds me of the attitude during the Salem witch trials (as represented by the movies and books) of, if you're not a witch you have nothing to fear. The problem (among others) with that was that there was nothing to be guilty of to begin with, it was only imagined. I think the same applies to "drugs". >>



Are you saying there is no drug problem in America? It's all our imagination? >>


I don't think that it is a problem. I think our drug laws are very archiac and the only reason why weed isn't legal is a bunch of money is poured into our government to keep it illegal. >>



Do you believe that weed is the only thing being sold on the streets? >>


do you believe that these drug tests are for catching any other drug users? How many people do you know who snort coke and go to public high school? How about shoot heroin? Crack? How about smoke pot... yeah... that's what I thought

 

[SpongeBob]

Making sure the kids aren't doing drugs is a parents job, not the schools. If the parents aren't doing their job, how can you punish the kid for that?

 

[Mikelh]

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<< Home Depot even warns, "if you do drugs, don't apply here". They test. Makes sense to me! I haven't seen them prosecuted for violating any Amendments! Have you? >>


Employment is optional, education is mandatory. There is a difference.

Public high schools have gone to sh!t these last ten years since I've been there. Metal detectors, mandatory ID badges, zero tolerance policies, now mandatory drug testing. I wouldn't want to send my child to such a paranoid institution. Kids need less condescending environments than that. >>



You totally missed the point!

My point was: Mandatory drug testing is not violating the 4th Amendment.

Go back and read it in its context.

 

[Mikelh]

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<< Dang right they should be drug tested..and check their parents too. If they choose to send their kids to a tax payer supported institution
they and the kids should be druggy free. >>

Again, would you be saying that if the test expanded to test for alcohol and tobacco? >>



Absolutely!

Smokers stink, and drunks are sickening.

 

[Mikelh]

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<< It's the guilty who want a lack of enforcement, not the law abiding citizens.

Kind of reminds me of the attitude during the Salem witch trials (as represented by the movies and books) of, if you're not a witch you have nothing to fear. The problem (among others) with that was that there was nothing to be guilty of to begin with, it was only imagined. I think the same applies to "drugs". >>



Are you saying there is no drug problem in America? It's all our imagination? >>


I don't think that it is a problem. I think our drug laws are very archiac and the only reason why weed isn't legal is a bunch of money is poured into our government to keep it illegal. >>



Do you believe that weed is the only thing being sold on the streets? >>


do you believe that these drug tests are for catching any other drug users? How many people do you know who snort coke and go to public high school? How about shoot heroin? Crack? How about smoke pot... yeah... that's what I thought >>



Have you ever been to Cleveland, Ohio? yeah, that's what I thought.

 

[tweakmm]

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<< It's the guilty who want a lack of enforcement, not the law abiding citizens.

Kind of reminds me of the attitude during the Salem witch trials (as represented by the movies and books) of, if you're not a witch you have nothing to fear. The problem (among others) with that was that there was nothing to be guilty of to begin with, it was only imagined. I think the same applies to "drugs". >>



Are you saying there is no drug problem in America? It's all our imagination? >>


I don't think that it is a problem. I think our drug laws are very archiac and the only reason why weed isn't legal is a bunch of money is poured into our government to keep it illegal. >>



Do you believe that weed is the only thing being sold on the streets? >>


do you believe that these drug tests are for catching any other drug users? How many people do you know who snort coke and go to public high school? How about shoot heroin? Crack? How about smoke pot... yeah... that's what I thought >>



Have you ever been to Cleveland, Ohio? yeah, that's what I thought. >>


No, I haven't. Care to fill me in on what kind of drugs are being used?

 

[mithrandir2001]

<< You totally missed the point!

My point was: Mandatory drug testing is not violating the 4th Amendment.

Go back and read it in its context. >>


I did read it in its context. Home Depot isn't slapped with 4th Amendment suits because you can DECIDE whether you want to apply for a job (thereby taking the test) or not. High school attendance is mandatory for minors so they cannot decide whether they can be subjected to the test or not. By making it mandatory and subsequently scooping everybody up into the test, you are making unreasonable searches. You also have to prove why a kid who tests positive on such a test should somehow be penalized by being denied an education. To Home Depot, it's just a (flawed) corporate decision. But a public school system is not in the business of checking the chemical compositions of students who otherwise display no disciplinary problems.

 

[Ultima]

In high-school? Only to students with low grades. Leave the ones with high grades alone, who cares if they do drugs or not.
In college? How about no, period?

 

[IGBT]

Another aspect missed in this discussion is that drug testing is one of the largest GROWTH INDUSTRIES driven by serious investors and a slew of lobbiests, and highly encouraged by insurance companies. Public acceptance is strong and growing. So more then likely there's a drug test out there waiting for ya. In the form of pre-employment/random. And the insurance companies are offering discounts and financial incentives to make it happen.

 

<< Hell yes! We can finally get the stoners out of school. This way they cant bother the people who actually want to learn. >>


Funny, but you have A LOT to learn kiddo.



<< Absolutely!

Smokers stink, and drunks are sickening. >>


Let me guess. You never smoked, drank or touched any substance in your life. You have straight A's and a full ride to a university. Must be a great life being a tool.

 

[Shaftatplanetquake]

<< << Absolutely!

Smokers stink, and drunks are sickening. >>


Let me guess. You never smoked, drank or touched any substance in your life. You have straight A's and a full ride to a university. Must be a great life being a tool. >>



Amen. Lots of the people in this thread are speaking from their turned up noses and voicing their poorly thought out opinions.