'Explosive device' found in mail to Clintons' home

[pcgeek11]

Just because they are contrary to the rights alternative facts that doesn't also make them alternative. Typically it just makes them, you know, facts.

At this point in time we ( not involved in the investigation ) don't know anything except what has been published.

All of these ideas of who is doing it and for what end is pure speculation regardless of who is doing the speculating.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Where the fuck do you think we are? Russia? In America companies can be left if they want. They can be right if they want. They can fire you for being a Nazi if they want and your President cannot protect you. Likewise a bunch of trailer park trash could form their own white supremacist company and fire anybody who still has all their teeth.

Of course a company can be left if it wants. That was never the argument, the argument was that the company is leftist. You're highfiving yourself over arguing something that was never a point of contention, good job.

 

[SlowSpyder]

No, pal, people are tired of Trump telling us that the media is lying when they quote him verbatim. They're tired of his supporters insisting that every single media outlet in America must appeal to their bias.

"Lying with truth.. " Wow. How very Goebbelsesque of you.

Ever hear of lying with statistics? You can tell the truth but highlight and put the spin you want on some stories will suppressing others. Saying Trump caused this is like saying Obama caused Scalise to be shot because he put rainbow lights around the Whitehouse when LGBT marriage was legalized. Trump did not say he wants people mail bombed.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Ever hear of lying with statistics? You can tell the truth but highlight and put the spin you want on some stories will suppressing others. Saying Trump caused this is like saying Obama caused Scalise to be shot because he put rainbow lights around the Whitehouse when LGBT marriage was legalized. Trump did not say he wants people mail bombed.

You aren't really good at this analogy game. Protip. Obama didn't call for Scalise to be shot. He didn't spend years painting him as a criminal. He didn't lead mobs of people daily chanting to lock him up. He didn't attack him day in and day out challenging his legitimacy as an American and thus a Senator. He didn't call Scalise the enemy of the people over and over and over. He didn't praise someone for physically attacking Scalise.

Do I need to go on?

 

[fskimospy]

Occam’s Razor would also call into question why none of the bombs actually exploded. That raises a couple of scenarios;

The bomber was incompetent - Trump supporter most probable

The bomber meant this to intimidate - Trump supporter most probably

The bomber wanted to create a crisis without killing any of the intended targets - False flag operation most probable

I would say the simplest reason for that is making bombs that travel through the mail and then detonate only when you want them to isn’t really that easy.

If I wanted to create a crisis intended to help the people I was mailing bad shit to I would just use the go-to white powder and not LIVE BOMBS. Not only would it achieve the same effect (sympathetic news) but if I got caught my sentence would be way lower. If this person was smart enough to engineer a situation where they sent functioning bombs but in a way designed for them not to detonate they should be smart enough to know better ways to achieve the same result.

Best answer remains it’s someone on the right.

 

[fskimospy]

Ever hear of lying with statistics? You can tell the truth but highlight and put the spin you want on some stories will suppressing others. Saying Trump caused this is like saying Obama caused Scalise to be shot because he put rainbow lights around the Whitehouse when LGBT marriage was legalized. Trump did not say he wants people mail bombed.

Yes, clearly putting lights on the White House is the same as calling people criminals to be jailed, the enemy of the people, etc.

Your post is an excellent example of a lie though.

 

[SlowSpyder]

You aren't really good at this analogy game. Protip. Obama didn't call for Scalise to be shot. He didn't spend years painting him as a criminal. He didn't lead mobs of people daily chanting to lock him up. He didn't attack him day in and day out challenging his legitimacy as an American and thus a Senator. He didn't call Scalise the enemy of the people over and over and over. He didn't praise someone for physically attacking Scalise.

Do I need to go on?

If he did criminal things, it would have been fair to paint him as a criminal, no? Clinton almost assuredly has done criminal things. Don't be upset at those that call out criminal activity, but upset at those that act as criminals. Clinton was ̶e̶x̶t̶r̶e̶m̶e̶l̶y̶ ̶c̶a̶r̶e̶l̶e̶s̶s̶ grossly negligent, remember? The media DOES lie about Trump and attack him. When someone is a criminal or lies, we don't advocate bombing them. Blaming Trump for this is the left doing what the left does best... anything in the world happens, how can we blame Trump?

 

[SlowSpyder]

Yes, clearly putting lights on the White House is the same as calling people criminals to be jailed, the enemy of the people, etc.

Your post is an excellent example of a lie though.

Calling for someone to be jailed is not calling for them to be bombed via mail, is it? Seems to me that would be the exact opposite of looking for vigilante justice.

 

[fskimospy]

Calling for someone to be jailed is not calling for them to be bombed via mail, is it? Seems to me that would be the exact opposite of looking for vigilante justice.

Yes, clearly repeatedly ranting about how someone should be in jail but the justice department won’t do it is totally not inciting violence against them.

Are you fucking kidding me.

 

[fskimospy]

‘X person is a criminal but the law won’t touch them’ is literally the plot to like 100 80’s and 90’s vigilante justice TV shows and movies.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Yes, clearly repeatedly ranting about how someone should be in jail but the justice department won’t do it is totally not inciting violence against them.

Are you fucking kidding me.

Yes, calling for someone to be in jail is not calling for violence against them. Saying the justice system needs to do its job is not calling for mail bombs. This is just like the left, someone does something evil, and you look for an angle to shift away personal responsibility and blame the right.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

If he did criminal things, it would have been fair to paint him as a criminal, no? Clinton almost assuredly has done criminal things. Don't be upset at those that call out criminal activity, but upset at those that act as criminals. Clinton was ̶e̶x̶t̶r̶e̶m̶e̶l̶y̶ ̶c̶a̶r̶e̶l̶e̶s̶s̶ grossly negligent, remember? The media DOES lie about Trump and attack him. When someone is a criminal or lies, we don't advocate bombing them. Blaming Trump for this is the left doing what the left does best... anything in the world happens, how can we blame Trump?

Ahhh back to your feels. Endless investigations found no ground for anything criminal to be brought forth. Nothing. They spent YEARS but alas, Nada. But ShortBusSpyder knows better. He knows she was a criminal. So that makes it OK for Trump to lead angry mobs for years screaming to lock her up. To proclaim her a treasonous criminal. To demand she face justice.

 

[SlowSpyder]

‘X person is a criminal but the law won’t touch them’ is literally the plot to like 100 80’s and 90’s vigilante justice TV shows and movies.

And learning karate by painting fences and waxing cars is also a plot of several karate movies. So what?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Yes, calling for someone to be in jail is not calling for violence against them. Saying the justice system needs to do its job is not calling for mail bombs. This is just like the left, someone does something evil, and you look for an angle to shift away personal responsibility and blame the right.

It can lead to violence when you spend years at the head of screaming mobs of people demanding she face justice only to have nothing happen. You're a fucking idiot if you don't see that.

Well.. you already are but this just reinforces that.

 

[fskimospy]

And learning karate by painting fences and waxing cars is also a plot of several karate movies. So what?

This is just pathetic at this point.

 

[fskimospy]

It can lead to violence when you spend years at the head of screaming mobs of people demanding she face justice only to have nothing happen. You're a fucking idiot if you don't see that.

Well.. you already are but this just reinforces that.

Of course he sees that. He’s doing the thing again where he pretends not to in order to defend Trump because he’s bizarrely emotionally entangled with not admitting otherwise.

 

[allisolm]

And it continues...
pkg to Sen Cory Booker found in FL (Royal Palm Beach) and there's an evacuation of US post office in NYC (52nd St and 8th Ave) because a pkg similar to the others has been found there.

The NYC pkg is apparently addressed to James Clapper at CNN.

 

[Thump553]

I strongly suspect the reaction of Trump and his apologists would be 180 degrees different if the targets of these bombs were GOP politicians & Faux News. We'd have a national emergency, possibly martial law and an attempted cancellation/postponement of the upcoming elections.

The only thing that would be the same is that it would be the Democrats/leftists/other demons de jure's fault. The Donald would remain an unapologetic victim either way.

 

[Thump553]

And it continues...
pkg to Sen Cory Booker found in FL (Miami, I think) and there's an evacuation of US post office in NYC (52nd St and 8th Ave) because a pkg similar to the others has been found there.

I was wondering why Booker was left out.

OTOH if the target is to be everyone is the USA that has be critical of His Donaldship (which seems to be why DeNiro was included) then there are tens of millions of those bombs out there.

 

[SMOGZINN]

It could be anyone, it's odd that someone went to all that trouble and they're zero for ten. I couldn't be happier with that score, but it's still odd.

Occam’s Razor would also call into question why none of the bombs actually exploded. That raises a couple of scenarios;

Actually I don't think it is weird at all that none of these exploded. I work for a federal agency and for one week a month I have to process incoming mail for my office (we take turns). I know all the procedures that a package goes through before it gets in the hands of even one of our employees. Packages are x-rayed, put through a bomb detector, and then opened in a reinforced sealed room by someone wearing gloves, a nobby suit, and respirator (me) before they ever enter the main building. We treat every package like it might explode even after they have been though the x-ray and explosives detector. All this is for a relatively minor office in an agency, and no one of national importance works in my building. I imagine that the mail for people like the Clintons go through even more scrutiny.

 

[fskimospy]

I strongly suspect the reaction of Trump and his apologists would be 180 degrees different if the targets of these bombs were GOP politicians & Faux News. We'd have a national emergency, possibly martial law and an attempted cancellation/postponement of the upcoming elections.

The only thing that would be the same is that it would be the Democrats/leftists/other demons de jure's fault. The Donald would remain an unapologetic victim either way.

And by ‘strongly suspect’ you mean ‘am absolutely certain’, right?

I personally doubt any propositions of martial law or whatever but they would absolutely be apoplectic about the national bombing emergency. Yes though, in that case it would not be a ‘false flag’ operation, even when based on identical evidence.

It’s been clear they put tribe before country for quite a long time now.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

And it continues...
pkg to Sen Cory Booker found in FL (Miami area) and there's an evacuation of US post office in NYC (52nd St and 8th Ave) because a pkg similar to the others has been found there.

The NYC pkg is apparently addressed to James Clapper at CNN.

Also read this morning they believe it's someone residing in the 23rd district in Florida which is DWS district. They have to be narrowing in now.

 

[HomerJS]

Occam’s Razor would also call into question why none of the bombs actually exploded. That raises a couple of scenarios;

The bomber was incompetent - Trump supporter most probable

The bomber meant this to intimidate - Trump supporter most probably

The bomber wanted to create a crisis without killing any of the intended targets - False flag operation most probable

Tailgating off this

Over the top ISIS flag - This has the smell of someone not totally familiar with a demographics way of speaking. That "get 'er done" is a little too over the top stereotypical, something an ESL person would use because they went online or a media outlet looking to mimic a Trump supporter. I have experience with a foreign born person concocting a lie trying to blame it on a "typical white person".

Bomber didn't mean to kill but intimidate

I'm going with a foreign actor, likely Russia. What better way to send a message to Trump. "Listen fuckface better make more headway with our agenda or we can turn on you, effecting the election against you". Until that Magnitsky Act and all sanctions are removed Putin will keep up pressure on Trump.

Russia wouldn't dare kill a high profile person like an ex-President because if it pointed back to them it would be all out war and they don't want that.

 

[HomerJS]

Add Corey Booker to the list.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Add Corey Booker to the list.

He prefers to be called Spartacus.