'Explosive device' found in mail to Clintons' home

[JSt0rm]

Trump, as their choice for President, is essentially the head of the Republican Party.
Their support for him is ALL he has. They define him. In return, he defines them.

Do not pretend the Republicans can wash their hands of him.

Second, what indication is there that this isn't some whack-a-doodle in a MAGA hat?

ITs the dems in the basement of the pedo pizza parlor.

 

[Greenman]

Trump, as their choice for President, is essentially the head of the Republican Party.
Their support for him is ALL he has. They define him. In return, he defines them.

Do not pretend the Republicans can wash their hands of him.

Second, what indication is there that this isn't some whack-a-doodle in a MAGA hat?

I would argue that if it was someone from the far right the bombs would have worked. Since none of them detonated, and in fact couldn't detonate, it looks more like a stunt for attention, or possibly a prank.

 

[JSt0rm]

I would argue that if it was someone from the far right the bombs would have worked. Since none of them detonated, and in fact couldn't detonate, it looks more like a stunt for attention, or possibly a prank.

for sure dems did it to win the election. and the caravan trump must have the military slaughter on mexican ground.

 

[Jhhnn]

I would argue that if it was someone from the far right the bombs would have worked. Since none of them detonated, and in fact couldn't detonate, it looks more like a stunt for attention, or possibly a prank.

You really can't say for sure at this point that none of them would have detonated. There is speculation to that effect. It's just part of a desperate effort to paint it all as a false flag operation. That seems unlikely.

I mean, really, what are the odds against this just being some poor deranged right wing nutbar inflamed by Trumpian rhetoric & conspiracy theory videos on YouTube?

That shit really rots some people's minds.

 

[Jhhnn]

for sure dems did it to win the election. and the caravan trump must have the military slaughter on mexican ground.

It's a National Emergency! Well, it probably will be for Trump if Dems take Congress. So he'll stoke conservatives' irrational fears as much as he can. It's like the invasion of Poland!

 

[Vic]

He's not wrong. Today the news, whether it be Fox, CNN, NBC, PBS, etc. etc. are little more than mouth pieces for their favored brand of politics. Lying with truth a lot of the time. They know their audiences, they are run like entertainment companies. They highlight certain stories and put spin on so much, and most of them happen to have an anti-Trump / anti-right spin. People ARE tired of it.

No, pal, people are tired of Trump telling us that the media is lying when they quote him verbatim. They're tired of his supporters insisting that every single media outlet in America must appeal to their bias.

"Lying with truth.. " Wow. How very Goebbelsesque of you.

 

[Vic]

And then the media came out and corrected itself. A credible news organization is not one that never gets things wrong, it's one that acknowledges its mistakes and fixes them.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...es-something-fishy-about-that-trump-abe-photo

This is unlike conservative media which generally ignores what it gets wrong or willfully distorts and this is especially unlike Trump, who simply lies when confronted with mistakes or distortions.

This is why the media you deride as 'liberal' is respected around the world and why Trump and conservative media are considered jokes.

All that anyone really needs to know about conservative media can be found in the fact that they never issue corrections or retractions.
No one is never wrong, that is impossible, therefore anyone who makes that claim must be a liar.

 

[Jhhnn]

"Lying with truth.. " Wow. How very Goebbelsesque of you.

That's because the MSM is the enemy of the people if they won't suck up to Trump. You know, like Lyin' Ted.

Meanwhile, Cohen & Manafort are spilling their guts to the Special Counsel. God only knows how many other rats Mueller has in the bag. It'll get dicey for Trump & friends after the election, I figure. Very dicey. I can't wait.

 

[Vic]

That's because the MSM is the enemy of the people if they won't suck up to Trump.

It is very disturbing that Trump and his supporters are hellbent on silencing any speech critical of Trump. It seems like they won't be happy until we have a state-run media.

 

[Zorba]

That's your reply to me being disappointed in the posts I've read here?
Haha... Yeah, as if I painted "the left" with "ending civility". You got anymore bullshit to sell us?

Read your own post that I responded to:

The forum posters here certainly make it sound like the time for civil discourse has passed. To go so far as denouncing the minority leader for not being divisive.

You have anymore straw men you need to tear down? Go ahead, I'll wait until you dial it back down to reality.

As for my comments, Schumer's initial statement was 100% correct. Calling for national unity against violence is the only answer for violence. The other potential action(s) would just be divisive, polarizing, and escalate, potentially leading towards further violence. If you have a specific beef with what Schumer said, then I'd love to hear that explained.

There is nothing wrong in standing by those words.

I don't think there is anything wrong with what he said. But I do think he omitted a call for turning down the "enemy of the people" and "lock her up" rhetoric. My problem is your post that goes along with the extreme right wingers basically blaming democrats or claiming false flag and seeing nothing wrong with the current republican rhetoric. I'll admit I let the idiots work me up, but responded to you since you are capable of intelligent discussion.

I still don't understand why when POTUS is blaming the media for mass bombing attempts, and 25% of the country probably thinks it was justified and/or false flag, why you care that a few people are upset about Schumer's comments?

 

[Greenman]

You really can't say for sure at this point that none of them would have detonated. There is speculation to that effect. It's just part of a desperate effort to paint it all as a false flag operation. That seems unlikely.

I mean, really, what are the odds against this just being some poor deranged right wing nutbar inflamed by Trumpian rhetoric & conspiracy theory videos on YouTube?

That shit really rots some people's minds.

It could be anyone, it's odd that someone went to all that trouble and they're zero for ten. I couldn't be happier with that score, but it's still odd.

 

[Jhhnn]

It could be anyone, it's odd that someone went to all that trouble and they're zero for ten. I couldn't be happier with that score, but it's still odd.

I'll grant that it may have been a really nasty prank. OTOH, it's hard to see it as a false flag operation, an accusation that's become quite fashionable in far right circles.

 

[compuwiz1]

I'll grant that it may have been a really nasty prank. OTOH, it's hard to see it as a false flag operation, an accusation that's become quite fashionable in far right circles.

None of know what it is, so nobody should be assuming anything, at this point. When and if they ever catch the perp, we will know more, but for now all opinions on the matter are purely speculation, including all the typical conspiracy theories. The only thing I do know is that somebody isn't right in the head, whoever that is.

 

[zerocool84]

None of know what it is, so nobody should be assuming anything, at this point. When and if they ever catch the perp, we will know more, but for now all opinions on the matter are purely speculation, including all the typical conspiracy theories. The only thing I do know is that somebody isn't right in the head, whoever that is.

Nobody assume anything? That hasn't stopped Republicans from forming their own "alternative facts".

 

[shortylickens]

The Fat Orange Whore runs his mouth again:


https://variety.com/2018/politics/news/trump-cnn-1202993956/

 

[Jhhnn]

The Fat Orange Whore runs his mouth again:


https://variety.com/2018/politics/news/trump-cnn-1202993956/

Trump purposely inflames passions across the political spectrum, blames the Media.

 

[sportage]

I kinda think the liberal media is expecting the bombs to be from some pro-republican operative or pro-republican secret underground organization.
Like in the end we can say SEE, IT WAS A PAST TRUMP ASSOCIATE DOING THIS.
Or
SEE, IT WAS THE TRUMP PEOPLE THAT RAN HIS CAMPAIGN.
I think the media really expects this to be very organized AND involving very talented people or persons that have or had direct contact with Donald Trump.

Like with Rachel Maddow, reminding people how not only were high profile people targeted, but also the people that handle the mail and work in the post offices and etc etc i.e. the little people were also possible victims.

What if this turns out to be some 14 year old loser kid living in mommies basement, with no real political affiliation at all other than wanting to create havoc and fear.
Some nutcase not particularly fond or Trump or Hillary.
Some nutcase that only did this because.... it sounded fun to him.

I doubt this was China or Russia or ISIS.
And I doubt this was an anti-liberal organization of sorts.
It may simply be some lowlife, jobless, friendless, loner kid or adult that was looking to make trouble.
We don't know, YET....
But still, assuming this was some very organized anti-liberal anti-democrats secret society conspiracy is doubtful.
I think in the end it will be some loner loser isolated bearded non political creep that had nothing else better to do with his time.

 

[cytg111]

I would argue that if it was someone from the far right the bombs would have worked. Since none of them detonated, and in fact couldn't detonate, it looks more like a stunt for attention, or possibly a prank.

Thats a weird argument IMO. If you are going to speculate that this is anything but a real op the only logic conclusion must be the worlds biggest dog whistle. That fake isis flag, it fits some of alt right pepe meme culture perfectly.

 

[HomerJS]

Apt description of this countries current state of affairs...

If the soul is left in darkness sins will be committed. The guilty one is not he who commits the sin, but he who causes the darkness.”
― Victor Hugo, Les Misérables

https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/3208463

 

[cytg111]

Apt description of this countries current state of affairs...

And this?
https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...ing-mistakes-typical-empire/story?id=58611354

"Russian President Vladimir Putin says US dominance is ending after mistakes 'typical of an empire'"
- Did you guys see the ass whooping he gave Bolton? And how he smugly asserted that Trump is his dog?

 

[fskimospy]

None of know what it is, so nobody should be assuming anything, at this point. When and if they ever catch the perp, we will know more, but for now all opinions on the matter are purely speculation, including all the typical conspiracy theories. The only thing I do know is that somebody isn't right in the head, whoever that is.

While I agree that no one should be saying they know the perpetrator conclusively we can always apply Occam’s Razor to this. Someone sending people bombs because he doesn’t like them is the simplest explanation and therefore the most likely one. Until evidence to the contrary arises I think it is most reasonable to operate on this assumption.

It’s frankly bizarre that conservative media is letting loose this blizzard of conspiracy theories. Infowars seems to be taking over the normal conservative propaganda outlets.

 

[pcgeek11]

I mean, really, what are the odds against this just being some poor deranged right wing nutbar inflamed by Trumpian rhetoric & conspiracy theory videos on YouTube?

That shit really rots some people's minds.

What are the odds against this being some poor deranged left wing nutbar.

 

[pcgeek11]

Nobody assume anything? That hasn't stopped Republicans from forming their own "alternative facts".

It hasn't seemed to slow down the democrats either.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

It hasn't seemed to slow down the democrats either.

Just because they are contrary to the rights alternative facts that doesn't also make them alternative. Typically it just makes them, you know, facts.

 

[Starbuck1975]

While I agree that no one should be saying they know the perpetrator conclusively we can always apply Occam’s Razor to this. Someone sending people bombs because he doesn’t like them is the simplest explanation and therefore the most likely one. Until evidence to the contrary arises I think it is most reasonable to operate on this assumption.

Occam’s Razor would also call into question why none of the bombs actually exploded. That raises a couple of scenarios;

The bomber was incompetent - Trump supporter most probable

The bomber meant this to intimidate - Trump supporter most probably

The bomber wanted to create a crisis without killing any of the intended targets - False flag operation most probable