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Existence of the "historical Jesus" increasingly questioned by scholars

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Texashiker said:
One of the problems facing rural America is not enough people live in the areas, and so few people have insurance, for-profit hospitals can not stay open.

Religious based charity hospitals play an important role in providing care to the under-served.

Go ahead and destroy Christ, convince people he never existed. Who is going to serve those rural poor areas?

Here in Jasper Texas we had two hospitals, one closed and the other is ran by Christus health.

A number of companies looked at buying the closed hospital with plans to reopen it. When the economics of the area was looked at, every potential customer decided not to buy the hospital.

Where are your atheist / non-believing organizations who are chomping at the bit to provide services to poor people? Please tell them rural America needs more hospitals and specialist.

The hatred for Christ has a ripple effect. Those who would destroy Christ will also harm those who receive help in the name of Christ.

What do we have to gain by "proving" Christ never existed? Nothing. We have nothing to gain.

What do we have to lose? We stand to lose a lot. We stand to lose a lot of good works done in his name.
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A whole lot there.

I dont believe that a "Atheist" hospital worked in that area, because its not productive to have 2 hospitals in that area. When people live in rural areas, they are choosing a rural way of life. They are giving up the convenience of a modern hospital. Hospitals are very expensive to run, and the likely truth is that it could not stay open because the people there could not afford it. The only reason the religious one was able to stay open, is because of the huge tax breaks the hospital gets, the churches get, the donations get ect. If you are arguing for socialism where the masses donate to take care of the poor, that is a whole separate discussion, and not really a religious one.

As for changing the minds of those who believe in Christ, there is lots to gain. Medical research is currently held back because of religious dogma. All the money going to religious institutions could also go to other more productive things. There is a lot to gain by losing religion.
 
alkemyst said:
Most Atheist's seem to have a vapid despising of God instead of the non-believing indifference they should have.

They definitely go out of their way on Anandtech to make a point.
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How could one "despise" vapidly or otherwise, something in which one does not have a belief.

AT members regularly despise all kinds of very real things with which they may or may not have experience; I think it's simply anonymous Internet babble, seen everyday on any kind of forum.

One poster despises it simply because another poster loves it.
 
realibrad said:
As for changing the minds of those who believe in Christ, there is lots to gain. Medical research is currently held back because of religious dogma.
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Bull crap.

Some of the greatest advancements in medicine have been made by religious people, especially jews.

Where did our polio vaccine come from? People such as yourself whine and complain about religion when it suits you.
 
SlowSpyder said:
Well, we're not the ones arguing that it'd be ok to murder your own child if an invisible friend told you too. I feel like religion poisons peoples minds in some ways, like in ways where they'd consider it just to sacrifice their child. I feel so strongly about it that sometimes I'll post about it on the internet. Egads.
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Well for the sake of argument it is assumed that invisible friend becomes real and no longer a faith-based being.

However; you aren't interested in anything, but trolling.

It's like the guy that says he can easily beat a top ranked MMA fighter 'because he is so skinny and has a longer reach he can get the jump on him and knock him out'.
 
alzan said:
How could one "despise" vapidly or otherwise, something in which one does not have a belief.

AT members regularly despise all kinds of very real things with which they may or may not have experience; I think it's simply anonymous Internet babble, seen everyday on any kind of forum.

One poster despises it simply because another poster loves it.
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Have you read the Atheist's posts in this thread or are you blind or simply trolling too.

For those that don't care, they land in EVERY religious post.
 
alkemyst said:
Well for the sake of argument it is assumed that invisible friend becomes real and no longer a faith-based being.

However; you aren't interested in anything, but trolling.

It's like the guy that says he can easily beat a top ranked MMA fighter 'because he is so skinny and has a longer reach he can get the jump on him and knock him out'.
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I'm not trolling. Say jesus shows up at my house tonight. He proves to me that he is divine, he brings back my grandfather who has been dead for over 10 years. I'm in awe. He tells me to kill my kid. I still tell him to fuck off.
 
Texashiker said:
Bull crap.

Some of the greatest advancements in medicine have been made by religious people, especially jews.

Where did our polio vaccine come from? People such as yourself whine and complain about religion when it suits you.
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"The first effective polio vaccine was developed in 1952 by Jonas Salk at the University of Pittsburgh"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine#Inactivated_vaccine


Salk doesn't seem to have been particularly religious In fact he appears to have been something of a humanist


"In 1966, Salk described his "ambitious plan for the creation of a kind of Socratic academy where the supposedly alienated two cultures of science and humanism will have a favorable atmosphere for cross-fertilization."[70]

and

"Dr. Salk, a creative man himself, hopes that the institute will do its share in probing the wisdom of nature and thus help enlarge the wisdom of man. For the ultimate purpose of science, humanism and the arts, in his judgment, is the freeing of each individual to cultivate his full creativity, in whichever direction it leads. . . As if to prepare for Socratic encounters such as these, the institute's architect, Louis Kahn, has installed blackboards in place of concrete facings on the walls along the walks."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonas_Salk
 
SlowSpyder said:
I'm not trolling. Say jesus shows up at my house tonight. He proves to me that he is divine, he brings back my grandfather who has been dead for over 10 years. I'm in awe. He tells me to kill my kid. I still tell him to fuck off.
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Then he kills your grandfather again. Then your mother and keeps going.

Perhaps he begins forcing the worst pain imaginable on you as well.

However; you being the juggernaut you are just LOL and say "Bro, that all you got?"
 
alzan said:
How could one "despise" vapidly or otherwise, something in which one does not have a belief.

AT members regularly despise all kinds of very real things with which they may or may not have experience; I think it's simply anonymous Internet babble, seen everyday on any kind of forum.

One poster despises it simply because another poster loves it.
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That's the ticket right there. After people are done arguing about G-d on AT, they go home, exercise, shower, eat dinner, boff the SO, play BF4, go to sleep and repeat. Well, at least that's what I do. Silly bithes.
 
Victorian Gray said:
Salk doesn't seem to have been particularly religious In fact he appears to have been something of a humanist
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He was Jewish. Whether he was a practicing jew or not, I do not know.

My statement still stands, religious people, christians, jews, muslims, and many more contribute a lot to society.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_thinkers_in_science

Who is filling a lot of our engineering roles? Indians. What are Indians? Most are Hindu.

Surely you do not mind buying gasoline - even though you do not own a car - from a refinery that was in part designed by a hindu?
 
Texashiker said:
He was Jewish. Whether he was a practicing jew or not, I do not know.
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I'm going to explain this again and hopefully this time you will understand: being Jewish is an ethnic trait, subscribing to the faith that is Judaism is a different things. You can't use someone being Jewish as an indicator of what they believe. 32% of Jewish people in America claim no religious beliefs: http://www.pewforum.org/2013/10/01/jewish-american-beliefs-attitudes-culture-survey/
 
alkemyst said:
Then he kills your grandfather again. Then your mother and keeps going.

Perhaps he begins forcing the worst pain imaginable on you as well.

However; you being the juggernaut you are just LOL and say "Bro, that all you got?"
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Channeling your inner 5 your old for this post or something?
 
alkemyst said:
Then he kills your grandfather again. Then your mother and keeps going.

Perhaps he begins forcing the worst pain imaginable on you as well.

However; you being the juggernaut you are just LOL and say "Bro, that all you got?"
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Sounds like god is rebecoming a monster, like in the old testament. Does he do all of that to show the love and compassion christians like to talk about?
 
Texashiker said:
He was Jewish. Whether he was a practicing jew or not, I do not know.

My statement still stands, religious people, christians, jews, muslims, and many more contribute a lot to society.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_thinkers_in_science

Who is filling a lot of our engineering roles? Indians. What are Indians? Most are Hindu.

Surely you do not mind buying gasoline - even though you do not own a car - from a refinery that was in part designed by a hindu?
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And Galileo Galilei was christian. I don't think anyone is saying or trying to insinuate that people of faith can't or don't contribute to society and to science. In fact, I'm sure many contributions were made by people of different faiths. But if you are arguing that science wasn't held back to some degree by religion, I think you have to be ignorant to facts or really trying to only see what you want to see. We even see it today in things like stem cell research and creationism being taught over evidence-based science.
 
Texashiker said:
Who is filling a lot of our engineering roles? Indians. What are Indians? Most are Hindu.

Surely you do not mind buying gasoline - even though you do not own a car - from a refinery that was in part designed by a hindu?
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What I'm getting from your posts is that you basically think any religious belief is fundamentally good and all kind of ties into the same thing, while atheism is fundamentally wrong and harmful. So I guess if I proclaim myself Pastafarian and emphatically state that my God is a Spaghetti Monster of love and peace (regardless of how consistent his actual doctrines are with that) we're cool, right?

I don't understand this feeling of commonality. Two religions can be as far apart from each other as either are to having no religion at all.
 
alkemyst said:
Have you read the Atheist's posts in this thread or are you blind or simply trolling too.

For those that don't care, they land in EVERY religious post.
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Yes, no and no

They land in every x thread.

moonbogg said:
That's the ticket right there. After people are done arguing about G-d on AT, they go home, exercise, shower, eat dinner, boff the SO, play BF4, go to sleep and repeat. Well, at least that's what I do. Silly bithes.
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Almost; I'm more of a Dragon Age or Dungeon Siege guy myself.
 
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realibrad said:
dont believe that a "Atheist" hospital worked in that area, because its not productive to have 2 hospitals in that area. When people live in rural areas, they are choosing a rural way of life. They are giving up the convenience of a modern hospital. Hospitals are very expensive to run, and the likely truth is that it could not stay open because the people there could not afford it. The only reason the religious one was able to stay open, is because of the huge tax breaks the hospital gets, the churches get, the donations get ect. If you are arguing for socialism where the masses donate to take care of the poor, that is a whole separate discussion, and not really a religious one.
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you do not know what you are talking about!! It is that plain and simple!
Hospitals are not labeled for tax purposes the same a churches.....

Hospitals are labeled as not for profit......with no designation due to it being Dominican Hospital...etc....

Hospitals, among the largest landowners in many communities, are often designated as nonprofits, allowing them to benefit from state and federal tax breaks for providing “charity care and community benefit.” The exemptions collectively amount to more than $12 billion annually, health economists say.
 
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