Ex Dolphins Cheerleader Faced Discrimination For Being Christian

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zinfamous

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Fine, the simple truth is by hating on christianity you'll be more likely to be hating on WOMEN than men. Men cause more discrimination, yet the aspersions you cast are directed mostly at women. Women are not geared towards the sciences so they do fall for stupid shit like fairy tales and invisible men in the sky.

wtf? I've been surrounded by women while working in "the sciences" for the last ~15 years.
 

zinfamous

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Veiled, and failed, google engineer memo reference.

Is it? That guy is a proven idiot that used junk arguments couched in articles that in no way supported his thesis. He was roundly and properly excoriated for his nonsense memo. Why refer to that moron?


...Or were you being sarcastic?
 

momeNt

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Is it? That guy is a proven idiot that used junk arguments couched in articles that in no way supported his thesis. He was roundly and properly excoriated for his nonsense memo. Why refer to that moron?


...Or were you being sarcastic?

veiled, failed, and sarcastic google engineer memo reference. basically being quick to judge christians when you don't actually know who you are mostly targeting (women in general, and by percentages for more likely to be minorities) you come to irrational conclusions and look like an idiot.
 

Stokely

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Color me skeptical that someone is going to get a hard time in this country for being Christian if they were keeping it to themselves. I grew up in an Evangelical household, and you are *supposed* to spread the Word to non-Christians...and I suspect that's what she was doing. You start pestering other people with your personal beliefs, don't be surprised when they get upset.
 

zinfamous

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veiled, failed, and sarcastic google engineer memo reference. basically being quick to judge christians when you don't actually know who you are mostly targeting (women in general, and by percentages for more likely to be minorities) you come to irrational conclusions and look like an idiot.

It sounds like you're confusing "most minorities are Christians" and "most Christians are minorities" as equal statements, and reaching an improper conclusion couched in some failure to understand simple statistics. Also consider that males and females exist in roughly equal percentages in the general population, so it's a weird claim to make.

Now as for the realities of women in science, there is a very real issue at the top, a lot of it having to do with grad students and post docs, at that age, generally going into motherhood and a good number of them not continuing on. It just happens. There is also a very real problem within academic departments and corporate offices that highly competent women still receive short shrift during faculty recruitment, and when on faculty, generally do not receive the same deference when it comes to department decisions. I've seen it over and over again.

BUT, the fact is that the sciences, in general, are highly populated by women who I find to be at least, if often not more capable than males, at comparative stages in their careers (I've found that female undergrads make for better lab members than most males, in general, but that isn't to dismiss some brilliant males as well.).

Anyway, the point is that women are all over science, but concentrated in the "real work" sectors: graduate and post-doctoral work. This means that claiming that you don't see them as PIs as frequently, on Faculty or in corporate boards means that they aren't generally in science, is flat out wrong. Further, female scientists don't suddenly stop being "smart" and suddenly believing in "fairy tales" at a higher rate if they leave the field to pursue other interests.

...Actually I think this is sorta what you were pointing out, no?
 

momeNt

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It sounds like you're confusing "most minorities are Christians" and "most Christians are minorities" as equal statements, and reaching an improper conclusion couched in some failure to understand simple statistics. Also consider that males and females exist in roughly equal percentages in the general population, so it's a weird claim to make.

Now as for the realities of women in science, there is a very real issue at the top, a lot of it having to do with grad students and post docs, at that age, generally going into motherhood and a good number of them not continuing on. It just happens. There is also a very real problem within academic departments and corporate offices that highly competent women still receive short shrift during faculty recruitment, and when on faculty, generally do not receive the same deference when it comes to department decisions. I've seen it over and over again.

BUT, the fact is that the sciences, in general, are highly populated by women who I find to be at least, if often not more capable than males, at comparative stages in their careers (I've found that female undergrads make for better lab members than most males, in general, but that isn't to dismiss some brilliant males as well.).

Anyway, the point is that women are all over science, but concentrated in the "real work" sectors: graduate and post-doctoral work. This means that claiming that you don't see them as PIs as frequently, on Faculty or in corporate boards means that they aren't generally in science, is flat out wrong. Further, female scientists don't suddenly stop being "smart" and suddenly believing in "fairy tales" at a higher rate if they leave the field to pursue other interests.

...Actually I think this is sorta what you were pointing out, no?

When I say targeting christians, I am speaking to the demographics of specifically christians, not America as a whole. For example, if you disparage christians in general, you are more than likely offending a women, and by percentages, a minority is more likely to be offended than a white person. Assuming disparaging christianity actually offends anybody of course.


As for all that women in science stuff, I did not mean anything like that by it. It was pretending to agree with him sarcastically using an example that is demonstrably false and bigoted as the basis for why I agreed with him, you know, to make him look bad, this is the internet and I play for win.
 

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When I say targeting christians, I am speaking to the demographics of specifically christians, not America as a whole. For example, if you disparage christians in general, you are more than likely offending a women, and by percentages, a minority is more likely to be offended than a white person. Assuming disparaging christianity actually offends anybody of course.


As for all that women in science stuff, I did not mean anything like that by it. It was pretending to agree with him sarcastically using an example that is demonstrably false and bigoted as the basis for why I agreed with him, you know, to make him look bad, this is the internet and I play for win.
Actually most of the US are Christians, however most of those are not the type of Christians that are far right fundies that are getting made fun by most people.
 

momeNt

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Actually most of the US are Christians, however most of those are not the type of Christians that are far right fundies that are getting made fun by most people.

That's more or less my point. They are not insulting who they think are insulting.
 
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It's amazing how the liberals on this forum would instantly support her if she cried about being discriminated over being muslim, but since it's christian its okay to hate on her, dismiss it entirely, blame her as being part of the problem with christianity, and all sorts of evil things.

The funny thing is, by hating on christianity in general, you are far more likely to be hating on a black woman than the southern white racist you expect.

This is so true, If she was a Muslim cheerleader the leftists here would be outraged but once again they show their hypocrisy.
 

Paratus

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Fine, the simple truth is by hating on christianity you'll be more likely to be hating on WOMEN than men. Men cause more discrimination, yet the aspersions you cast are directed mostly at women. Women are not geared towards the sciences so they do fall for stupid shit like fairy tales and invisible men in the sky.

What a profoundly ignorant thing to say.
 
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The world is filled with enough shitty people for you to not have to invent enemies just to justify your profoundly ignorant world view. Where did the mythical evil librul touch you?

Would you still have the same view if the cheerleader wasn't a Christian and any other religion?
 

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When I say targeting christians, I am speaking to the demographics of specifically christians, not America as a whole. For example, if you disparage christians in general, you are more than likely offending a women, and by percentages, a minority is more likely to be offended than a white person. Assuming disparaging christianity actually offends anybody of course.

Your entire argument is based on the assumption that it it more wrong to offend to offend a woman or minority than a white male, which missed the point entirely (leaving aside your tenuous grasp of statistics).

It's wrong to offend the because they are female or minorities, but in this case, they just happen to be part of a larger group that spans genders and ethnicity. Your attempt at a "gotcha" is pretty lame...
 

sactoking

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Four pages in and I have yet to see any real evidence to back up the claim that religious discrimination occurred.
 

Vic

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Would you still have the same view if the cheerleader wasn't a Christian and any other religion?
The logical flaw in your entire argument here is that, given America's demographics, it is extremely likely that many, if not most, of the people that this Christian claims were discriminating against her for being Christian are also Christians themselves.
 
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zinfamous

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Would you still have the same view if the cheerleader wasn't a Christian and any other religion?

You've yet to establish that your claim in the OP is in any way true. So what is the point of engaging your tiresome victimhood?