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Ex-CIA agent: US invents its own enemies

SandEagle

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GARE6NcxdcY#!

This guy recently started endorsing Ron Paul. Hope he's wearing his kevlar undies, because talking like this isn't going to sit well with the NeoCons and chickenhawks

http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2012/01/03/former-cia-agent-michael-scheuer-endorses-ron-paul/

Michael Scheuer, the CIA’s former agent charged with tracking Osama bin Laden, endorsed Ron Paul in a Sunday column he published on his website.
In the piece, Scheuer said: “Electing anyone but Ron Paul will further increase the already strong chances of widespread Islamist-conducted violence inside the United States.”
“Michael Scheuer understands that only Dr. Paul will put our national security first and stop the foreign wars and nation building,” said Jesse Benton, national campaign chairman. “Our campaign is very proud to have his support.”
Scheuer spent 22 years as a CIA intelligence officer, and is now a blogger and political analyst who serves as an adjunct professor at Georgetown University’s Center for Peace and Security Studies.
He served as chief of the Osama bin Laden tracking unit at the Counterterrorist Center from 1996 to 1999. He also worked as a special adviser to the chief of the bin Laden unit from September 2001 to November 2004.
 
Whoever thinks terrorism will stop just because US complete stops interfering in the Middle East is naive to the max.

The true problem is and will always be the Islamist states. Anti-US, West, Israel or whatever-of-the-day is just a convienient excuse for them to divert the attention of their brainwashed masses from their real domestic problems. Guess what comes out? Terrorists.

But this sounds like a jokethread so I think I shouldn't be too serious...
 
Whoever thinks terrorism will stop just because US complete stops interfering in the Middle East is naive to the max.

The true problem is and will always be the Islamist states. Anti-US, West, Israel or whatever-of-the-day is just a convienient excuse for them to divert the attention of their brainwashed masses from their real domestic problems. Guess what comes out? Terrorists.

But this sounds like a jokethread so I think I shouldn't be too serious...

What a misguided and dangerous post - useful for showing common bad views.

Imagine the 'other side' saying the same thing about us.

Some terrorism organizers who say, 'anyone who thinks the US will stop killing people here just because we do everything they want is wrong.

The true problem is and always will be the Western states. Anti-Muslim, they are determined to destroy and conquer everyone not in their group.

Guess what comes out? People who demand killing Muslims.'

That's pretty much the same thing - it paints people into a corner, you have two sides each convinced they're 'defending' against the other by killing the other.

You don't understand it but your views are very hostile, aggressive, creating problems, giving them the legitimate need for self-defense, attacking any peace.

It's easy to happen, it always has between groups of people - especially a 'superior power'.

Look how the Japanese treated the Chinese, how the Chinese treated other Asian ethnic minorities, how groups of Southeast Asians treated each other, how whites treated native Americans (we send people to kill men women and children, and when they get ambushed, we say this is a great crime by the natives justifying exterminating them more), I could list any number of societies who fall for this stuff and where it justifies atrocities. Check the world wars for more examples.

There's no one more smug about their doing no wrong than the person who has just done great wrong in the name of the 'defense' you claim.

People like you need to learn to get a clue about what's really dividing people, what are real problems versus ones you create.

Maybe if you learned about how terrorists are recruited and taught, and smoetimes later 'de-programmed' to live peacefully, you would find out about ways you are like them.

Think of the Vietnam war - filled with white guys sure they were not doing any wrong, just protecting the world from the tyranny and slavery of communism - who did not understand the farmers they were killing and the situation for the people in the country where two million were killed. The guy who architected the war didn'tunderstand that for many years, much less the soldiers who fought and killed. They felt just as justified as you do.

Does Lyndon Johnson saying 'if we don't kill them there we'll be fighting them in San Francisco' ring any bells?
 
Craig it's funny that you hate the State so much. Why do you want us to concede so much other freedom and power to them in other places? Hypocrite.
 
Whoever thinks terrorism will stop just because US complete stops interfering in the Middle East is naive to the max.

Your solution? Oh yes... kill them all!

No, wait, can't do that. Might as well compromise and do it Iraqi style, yes? Regime change the Middle East! No terrorists in Iraq, amIright?

War has its uses, especially as a response. What we have been doing is sheer and utter BS. Spilling coin and blood to acomplish nothing but to incite violence against us. Yes, some of them are prone to martyr themselves regardless, but I hope you're at least aware of the phrase adding fuel to the fire.

Camped out on the other side of the planet does not make us safer. In practice it's rather counter intuitive. While we're all up in their business they're still going about their business. We have not and will not stop Islamic terrorism.

We, by virtue of starting a preemptive war, have gotten more of our soldiers killed than people lost on September 11th. Not even counting the tens of thousands of wounded. It is only logical for us to stop adding to our own pain and suffering. There is only one way to do that and it's to elect leaders who are not warmongers. To refuse men who cherish spilling our coin and blood for nation building.

This sort of thinking radically narrows the Presidential field.
 
Whoever thinks terrorism will stop just because US complete stops interfering in the Middle East is naive to the max.

The true problem is and will always be the Islamist states. Anti-US, West, Israel or whatever-of-the-day is just a convienient excuse for them to divert the attention of their brainwashed masses from their real domestic problems. Guess what comes out? Terrorists.

But this sounds like a jokethread so I think I shouldn't be too serious...

Good thing Afghanistan and Iraq are no longer infested with west-hating Islamist terrorists :thumbsup:
 
Good thing Afghanistan and Iraq are no longer infested with west-hating Islamist terrorists :thumbsup:

You do have to admit there are many tens of thousands of them now dead.

Like Jaskalas said, war has its uses. It is a great way to force negotiations when the other side refuses to do so. It reduces the power and reach of the enemy considerably, making them have no real choice but to remain small and insignificant or change to a political route instead of a violent one. Takes time, though.
 
You do have to admit there are many tens of thousands of them now dead.

Along with over 100.000 civilians, minding their own business. Is the Middle East now less resentful against the western world? No. Is the west now more safe from terrorist attacks? No.

Accomplished in 10 years? Jack shit.
 
Whoever thinks terrorism will stop just because US complete stops interfering in the Middle East is naive to the max.

The true problem is and will always be the Islamist states. Anti-US, West, Israel or whatever-of-the-day is just a convienient excuse for them to divert the attention of their brainwashed masses from their real domestic problems. Guess what comes out? Terrorists.

But this sounds like a jokethread so I think I shouldn't be too serious...

Yes, naive indeed. What they don't understand is that terrorists hate us for our freedom. Thus, by us not interfering with the Middle East would not have an affect on their hate towards us. The only way for us to be safe from them is if we instituted a Sharia fundamentalist Muslim state, and clearly that is against our founding principles so we must kill them all.

Oh and this Ex-CIA agent, who gives a shit that he has twenty years of experience investigating terrorists in the middle east. HE ENDORSES RON PAUL! That, in itself, discredits him. Jokethread is jokes.

http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/1371215416001/
 
Along with over 100.000 civilians, minding their own business. Is the Middle East now less resentful against the western world? No. Is the west now more safe from terrorist attacks? No.

Accomplished in 10 years? Jack shit.

boom.. you just nuked this threads petty attempt at dodging the fact that the west is just as much to blame for terrorism as the middle east is XD
okay folks time for real life lesson #4879. why was the NDAA signed.. to help deal with terrorism and terroist groups such as al-quaeda and the taliban..
alright so this photo is from libya DAYS after the us stopped carpet bombing Qaddafi's homeland to pieces..
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now where have i seen that flag before..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda
so the US carpet bombed libya for al-quaeda to conquer it, while your singing ridiculous pieces of legislation to fight al-quaeda. meanwhile we have the libyan bombing hailed as a success and a liberation from "oppression"..

as you can see the door swings both ways.. and no matter how you slice it youve been suckered with a terrorism scare and have been since basically the start of the war in iraq. lets be real ehre 9/11 was the ebst thing to ever happen to the US.. they now have a reason to go about cleansing the middle east of any country they dont particularly like, which happens to be many of them
 
You do have to admit there are many tens of thousands of them now dead.

Like Jaskalas said, war has its uses. It is a great way to force negotiations when the other side refuses to do so. It reduces the power and reach of the enemy considerably, making them have no real choice but to remain small and insignificant or change to a political route instead of a violent one. Takes time, though.

Damn, the troll is back...was hoping he got banned. Guess he was out looking for those WMD still, LOL.

Link to proof that we killed tens of thousands of terrorists (real ones, not the 100,000 innocent civilians that were killed)?

And even if we killed say 20,000 real terrorists, we killed 100,000+ innocent civilians. Hmm, one real terrorist for about 5 innocent people at best, maybe more. That doesn't sound like anything to brag about. Guess you don't care about that.
 
First, the vast majority of the civilians killed throughout these conflicts were murdered by their own people. The PC public discussion has deteriorated to the point no one even mentions this fact any longer.

Second, groups in the Muslim world wage a holy war against whom they perceive as infidels - non believers. The groups that actively participate in the fighting are a tiny speck compared to the number of Muslims, but the dangerous part of this situation is that they are endorsed and looked upon favorably by a significant portion of the Muslim population.

Comparing the situation with Islam to any other modern situation is bullshit, as Craig's post demonstrates. The conflict here is not one of ideology, economy or resources; it's a purely religious. To find something as radical as the religious war Islam is now waging all over the world, you'd have to go back in time to the crusades.

How will you reason with someone who believes that he's justified in killing of both you and himself, in order to enact his religion on the planet?

It's going to get a lot worse before becomes better - if we'll survive to see this day. "Arab Spring" has, ironically, signified the end of the Arab nationalistic period and the rise of the modern age Muslim kingdom.

If Ron Paul thinks American can flourish and prosper while the rest of the world is either burning or under the control of anti-US bodies, he's a fool.
 
If Ron Paul thinks American can flourish and prosper while the rest of the world is either burning or under the control of anti-US bodies, he's a fool.

Do you imagine more Iraq wars and nation building efforts are going to make any progress against the threat you see? If the world is burning, Iraq and Afganistan didn't do !@#$.

We've had over 36,000 casualties and spent over $1 trillion, and for what?
 
And anybody who can't see that as transparent Zionist fearmongering is a fool, too.

Of course; them filthy Jews will try to convince you that American companies are dependent on Taiwanese companies like TSMC/UMC to manufacture their chips (that would be China for you, after US leaves the area), that US electronics industry needs rare earth materials to manufacture (Chinese again), that nearly all batteries come from the Far East... Not to mention the energy resources coming from the Middle East.

But you don't care about the conspiracy, you know better. Screw the filthy Jews, you mutter, we don't need no stinkin' cellphones or computers. We'll manage.

Vermin like you are nibbling on the USA from the inside, hoping it will cause the collapse of its allies. Keep on trying.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GARE6NcxdcY#!

This guy recently started endorsing Ron Paul. Hope he's wearing his kevlar undies, because talking like this isn't going to sit well with the NeoCons and chickenhawks

http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2012/01/03/former-cia-agent-michael-scheuer-endorses-ron-paul/

Ron Paul wouldn't not be able to do most of what he says, he could try, but outcome then would like JFK's.

I don't know, how many do know a little bit about a HISTORY? and that HISTORY repeats itself time to time...

ENEMY CREATION? A.Hitler did create enemies - France, Denmark, Czech Republic, Austria, etc...none of those have attacked Germany back then.

Compare to US today, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran - none have attacked US...

Anyone do know what a FALSE FLAG is about?

Check Wiki...

Nazi Germany started a war against Poland because of False Flag,
US started war against Afghanistan and Iraq because of False Flag...

If US want to go the way Germany went - Russia(maybe China, as today) anyone should think about, what THE END could be?

Should I remind: HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF, Time To Time...
 
Of course; them filthy Jews will try to convince you that American companies are dependent on Taiwanese companies like TSMC/UMC to manufacture their chips (that would be China for you, after US leaves the area), that US electronics industry needs rare earth materials to manufacture (Chinese again), that nearly all batteries come from the Far East... Not to mention the energy resources coming from the Middle East.

But you don't care about the conspiracy, you know better. Screw the filthy Jews, you mutter, we don't need no stinkin' cellphones or computers. We'll manage.

Vermin like you are nibbling on the USA from the inside, hoping it will cause the collapse of its allies. Keep on trying.

So, uhh, how does that fit into the rise of the muslim kingdom & the world burning under the control of anti-US forces, anyway?

Very clumsy segue to the usual "You Suck!" Jew-hater smear part of the rhetorical progression, btw. It's obvious that you place the interests of Israel above those of the US, even as you claim them to be exactly the same. That's not really true, so you shouldn't be surprised when somebody calls you on it. As a propagandist, you should be better trained & better able to deal with it.

Part of inventing our own enemies has been accepting the Israeli version of who our enemies are, and in buying in to the Masada mentality of the Settler faction & the Netanyahu govt.

You already know that, of course, and are part of the effort to keep it that way.
 
It's obvious that you place the interests of Israel above those of the US, even as you claim them to be exactly the same. That's not really true, so you shouldn't be surprised when somebody calls you on it.

Pray tell, what are the US interests that are in contradiction to the alliance with Israel?
 
Old News. Everyone knows its AL-CIA
no they dont.. or there would be literal mobs taking out TSA and VIPR checkpoints.. there would also be a witch hunt on for big sis (as i call her the only troll to get away with murder)
 
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no they dont.. or there would be literal mobs taking out TSA and VIPR checkpoints.. there would also be a witch hunt on for big sis (as i call her the only troll to get away with murder)

Oi! Thats what they want you to believe. Our Intelligence agencies did the same thing then all theyre kak came out and they weeped like babies on the tv. It wouldnt be much of a intelligence agency if they let the public know what kak they really catching on. Sooner or later it will come out one way or another. Its just how good are they in covering it. By us it was with the end of apartheid and a new democratic regime. They basically said we clean the slate clean but telll us what you did. In the US situation like that wont arise cause you went thru stuff like that ages ago where the constitution were drafted. Our constitution was only created in 1992.
 
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