Ex-CIA agent: US invents its own enemies

[PingviN]

Oh Hai! Still stuck in stupid I see. Did you write Hans Blix yet and asked him why he lied to the UN? No? Hmm...guess it is easier to be a "big man" on the Internet than actually write the man who wrote the report to the UN.

Pray tell what these "lies" to the UN were?

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Oh Hai! Still stuck in stupid I see. Did you write Hans Blix yet and asked him why he lied to the UN? No? Hmm...guess it is easier to be a "big man" on the Internet than actually write the man who wrote the report to the UN.

Put down the crack pipe troll....after someone posted your, shall we say "colorful", posting history on another forum, you really look pathetic.

You trolled and lied so bad on another forum you got banned, then you come over here and troll and lie the exact same way. Why do you do that? Does it somehow make you feel good somehow, lying all the time?

You must know that you will get banned here as well, sooner or later, since you obviously haven't learned your lesson, and continue to obviously troll with blatant lies, as your WMD claim above. To continue to believe such obvious falsehoods places you with the birthers (which you might be, since you refuse to answer that question several times, making a point to evade answering), truthers, and people that believe the moon landings were faked and the earth is flat.

Do you really think lying so badly on the internet, and getting banned is something to be proud of? It's really sad and pathetic.

And again, since you have proved time and time again to lie....link to proof we have killed tens of thousands of real terrorists, instead of innocent people? You certainly can lie on the internet (bravo, that is certainly hard!), but you come up totally lacking in providing any proof for your lies.

And since you edited my quote in your reply without noting you changed it, isn't that a forum offense? My post was:

Link to proof that we killed tens of thousands of terrorists (real ones, not the 100,000 innocent civilians that were killed)?

which you changed to (perhaps thinking about yourself?)

Link to proof I am an idiot?

Hmm...just keep on lying, then you will get banned sooner!

 

[cybrsage]

Pray tell what these "lies" to the UN were?

Hans Blix's last report to the UN showed he found small amounts of WMDs. Very minor stuff, and nothing worth fearing. These items were found in newly built structures so they were not "oh, we did not know they existed, our bad" items.

Not enough to warrant saying Iraq had stockpiles of WMDs, but enough to say they violated the UNSC resolution...that that WMDs were needed, the violated the UNSC resolution other ways and therefor the "severe consequence" of war was visited upon them.

It could very well be that Hans Blix lied to the UN so he could keep his well paying job for even longer (a little over a decade was not enough for him)...but that is just a conspiracy theory.

 

[cybrsage]

...lots of stupid stuff which says I am not man enough to actually write Hans Blix but instead play "big man" on the Internet while remaining completely anonymous...

That is what I thought. You are a coward.

 

[Whiskey16]

Not enough to warrant saying Iraq had stockpiles of WMDs, but enough to say they violated the UNSC resolution...that that WMDs were needed, the violated the UNSC resolution other ways and therefor the "severe consequence" of war was visited upon them.

Don't feed him, guys. I recall witnessing cybrsage repeatedly posting the same crap years ago upon the Rage3D P&R forums (post 20 is telling), only to consistently get royally trounced and disproved.

His shear volumes of posts and manner got him removed. I recall him getting caught out on record for a goal of misleading and dishonest posting only to get jollies of arguing and inflaming other members... You have him now.

 

[peonyu]

Along with over 100.000 civilians, minding their own business. Is the Middle East now less resentful against the western world? No. Is the west now more safe from terrorist attacks? No.

Accomplished in 10 years? Jack shit.

The Oil is mostly secured though. Thats the big picture, we all squabble about "nation building" and "freeing people" but its a distraction from the real objective, which was to secure the interests of the Oil and Banking magnates.

Mission accomplished in that sense. And Mission accomplished +2 in that the "little people" are arguing over everything but the Oil industry and the Bankers raping everything in the M.E and N.Africa.

And Libya was nice collateral damage recently. Got the Banks established there already and it wont be long until Oil is flowing from there with a US stamp placed on its side. Course Gaddafi died but he was a nice scapegoat to give to the little people to argue about and it worked.


Course the Banks are behind the rapage of the US to. Big financial meltdown = thank you Banks. Greed also equals = outsourcing our jobs. Thanks again. Dont miss the big picture guys, we are screwed in the name of the almighty God [dollar] these days. Arabs, Americans, it makes no difference.

 

[PingviN]

Hans Blix's last report to the UN showed he found small amounts of WMDs. Very minor stuff, and nothing worth fearing. These items were found in newly built structures so they were not "oh, we did not know they existed, our bad" items.

Not enough to warrant saying Iraq had stockpiles of WMDs, but enough to say they violated the UNSC resolution...that that WMDs were needed, the violated the UNSC resolution other ways and therefor the "severe consequence" of war was visited upon them.

It could very well be that Hans Blix lied to the UN so he could keep his well paying job for even longer (a little over a decade was not enough for him)...but that is just a conspiracy theory.

You mind finding the link to the report or direct quoting it? Because I can only remember Blix saying they found no actual weapons. Kinda went down like this:

US/UK: Saddam has WMDs!
UN: Let's find out
Blix: No weapons yet. We need more time
US/UK: Fuck that, we wanna WAR
Blix: Illegal war, yaddayadda
US/UK: Blix noob l2p QQ

 

[cybrsage]

Don't feed him, guys. I recall witnessing cybrsage repeatedly posting the same crap years ago upon the Rage3D P&R forums (post 20 is telling), only to consistently get royally trounced and disproved.

His shear volumes of posts and manner got him removed. I recall him getting caught out on record for a goal of misleading and dishonest posting only to get jollies of arguing and inflaming other members... You have him now.

Dude, I am not banned from Rage3D...

I have not bothered to post here for a bit.

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showpost.php?p=1336804523&postcount=184

You are a moron.

 

[Jhhnn]

Hans Blix's last report to the UN showed he found small amounts of WMDs. Very minor stuff, and nothing worth fearing. These items were found in newly built structures so they were not "oh, we did not know they existed, our bad" items.

Mere assertion w/o any supporting evidence

Not enough to warrant saying Iraq had stockpiles of WMDs, but enough to say they violated the UNSC resolution...that that WMDs were needed, the violated the UNSC resolution other ways and therefor the "severe consequence" of war was visited upon them.

Blix didn't think so, and neither did the UN. Funny that

It could very well be that Hans Blix lied to the UN so he could keep his well paying job for even longer (a little over a decade was not enough for him)...but that is just a conspiracy theory.

So why bring it up, other than in your normal fashion of trolling? The invasion actually showed that Blix was correct, and that the case for Iraqi WMD's had been sexed up, puffed up & Mission Impossible for the Iraqis, because you can't prove a negative. The Bushistas cited a lack of evidence, rather than any affirmative evidence at all.

Prove that Bigfoot doesn't exist, and prove you're not boffing that 13 year old neighbor chick, too...

 

[cybrsage]

You mind finding the link to the report or direct quoting it? Because I can only remember Blix saying they found no actual weapons. Kinda went down like this:

US/UK: Saddam has WMDs!
UN: Let's find out
Blix: No weapons yet. We need more time
US/UK: Fuck that, we wanna WAR
Blix: Illegal war, yaddayadda
US/UK: Blix noob l2p QQ

86. UNMOVIC conducted a series of inspections in early February 2003 to
explore previous development of cluster munitions for chemical or biological
agents. The Al Noaman factory and facilities were the focus of those inspections due
to their history of producing cluster munitions. During the inspections, information
was obtained and hardware pertaining to cluster bombs and cluster warheads for
rockets was found. Specifically, UNMOVIC inspectors found the body of a chemical
or biological submunition for the CB 250 cluster bomb and a 540 mm warhead
which could be used with chemical agent-filled submunitions. In addition,
components and moulds for other cluster bombs and rocket warheads were​

examined.

88. The discovery by UNMOVIC of twelve 122 mm chemical warheads and rocket
motors in mid-January 2003 at the Ukhaidar ammunitions depot led to an Iraqi
declaration regarding four additional warheads at Al Taji a few days later. X-ray
examination of those warheads at both locations showed that some contained an
unknown liquid. Operations were undertaken to drill safely into the warheads and
extract samples of the liquid contents for subsequent analysis. The contents were​

determined to be primarily water.

89. Other items were found that might be part of past programmes prohibited by
the Council and would require further analysis, including various parts for 81 mm,
107 mm and 200 mm rocket warheads and other munitions. In addition, a small
number of rocket warheads and artillery projectiles that appeared to be chemical
weapons munitions were found filled with high explosives. Plans to analyse those
components in greater detail were interrupted by the withdrawal of UNMOVIC from​

Iraq.

119. The destruction of the chemical weapons agent mustard gas, which had started
at the end of February, was completed in March 2003. Under UNMOVIC
supervision, Iraq destroyed the 155 mm shells and the mustard gas contained in
them. The shells found in 1997 were stored at a declared location — the former
Muthanna State Establishment. In total, there were 14 shells, containing approximately
49 litres of the agent — four of them had been earlier emptied and sampled by UNSCOM.
The agent was destroyed by chemical reaction and the empty shells with explosives.
Samples taken from the shells showed that mustard gas produced over 15 years ago was still of high quality — 97 per cent purity.​

122. An UNMOVIC inspection team found 12 undeclared 122 mm chemical
warheads and motors at the Al Ukhaidar ammunition depot (11 of them were
unfilled and 1 filled with water). Iraq notified the Commission on 20 January 2003
that four more warheads had been found at the Al Taji ammunition depot. In
February 2003, an UNMOVIC team discovered an additional two undeclared 122
mm chemical warheads at the same depot (one of the six warheads discovered at the
Al Taji depot was filled with liquid that was subsequently identified as water). In​

total, 18 chemical warheads were tagged by UMOVIC for destruction.

http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/new/documents/quarterly_reports/s-2003-580.pdf

Like I said, WMDs were definately found. Certainly not enough to say Saddam had restarted a WMD program (I do not count the
Al Samoud 2 missiles against them...they tried to make their range just barely inside the limit but instead were just outside the allowed range limit) or say Saddam's WMDs were an actual threat to anyone. They did constitute a continued violation of many UNSC resolutions.

These, and other, violations of UNSC resolutions allowed the US to institute the "Severe Consequenses" one of the resolutions said Iraq would suffer if they continued to violate the resolutions. No one in their right mind would ever say war is not a severe consequense for any action.

People who say Hans Blix did not find WMDs either do not know about his reports to the UN or they purposefully ignore the reports so they can continue to live in a fantasy land and lie about people who do not join them in their false view of reality.

 

[cybrsage]

Mere assertion w/o any supporting evidence

I supported it in the last thread where you said I did not support it. Must be nice to have the memory span of a gnat.

Blix didn't think so, and neither did the UN. Funny that

His own report says otherwise.

So why bring it up, other than in your normal fashion of trolling? The invasion actually showed that Blix was correct, and that the case for Iraqi WMD's had been sexed up, puffed up & Mission Impossible for the Iraqis, because you can't prove a negative. The Bushistas cited a lack of evidence, rather than any affirmative evidence at all.

Your altered view of reality is noted, and subequently laughed at. HA HA!

Prove that I am an idiot...

You do that all by yourself.

 

[Rainsford]

Anyone who says they know what the world would be like if the US had spent the last few decades being non-interventionist is full of crap, and I mean that in the nicest possible way. The world is an incredibly interconnected and incredibly complicated place. Claiming you know what would have happened over decades on a global scale had X happened or not happened makes you look like kind of an idiot, IMO. Those saying we'd be safer if the US stayed out of the Middle East have no way to support that claim.

But I will say that history has shown plenty of examples of countries minding their own business and still ending up in a bad situation. Waiting until you're on the wrong end up the gun barrel to do something about it is maybe not the best approach.

 

[cybrsage]

I have always said the main reason the US went into Iraq was to create a democracy. It is also one of the reasons we stayed in Afghanistan after killing lots and lots of AQ and Taliban as revenge for the 9-11 attacks.

Democracy is contagious...set up a few and the other nations will follow. We see now that it was true.

Does this mean we will always agree with them? No, but it is true that two democracies have never gone to war with each other. At least not yet. Creating the conditions by which peace can be achieved is a good goal, and can only benefit the US (and all other nations) in the long run.

 

[Jhhnn]

http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/new/documents/quarterly_reports/s-2003-580.pdf

Like I said, WMDs were definately found. Certainly not enough to say Saddam had restarted a WMD program (I do not count the
Al Samoud 2 missiles against them...they tried to make their range just barely inside the limit but instead were just outside the allowed range limit) or say Saddam's WMDs were an actual threat to anyone. They did constitute a continued violation of many UNSC resolutions.

These, and other, violations of UNSC resolutions allowed the US to institute the "Severe Consequenses" one of the resolutions said Iraq would suffer if they continued to violate the resolutions. No one in their right mind would ever say war is not a severe consequense for any action.

People who say Hans Blix did not find WMDs either do not know about his reports to the UN or they purposefully ignore the reports so they can continue to live in a fantasy land and lie about people who do not join them in their false view of reality.

You're so lame. Only item 119 describes actual chemical weapons, which had been established to exist in 1997 and had been awaiting supervised destruction since that time. UNSCOM knew they were there before they ever showed up. Had the Iraqis destroyed them in the meantime, they'd have been accused of hiding them.

UNSCOM found two things in Iraq- Jack & Squat. Then a desperate witch hunt after the invasion found more of the same, so some rather elaborate lies were promulgated, like Michael Ledeen's story about how the weapons had been taken to the Bekaa valley by Spetsnaz...

Not to mention some sleazy smear attempts towards Blix, like your own.

 

[cybrsage]

You're so lame. Only item 119 describes actual chemical weapons, which had been established to exist in 1997 and had been awaiting supervised destruction since that time. UNSCOM knew they were there before they ever showed up. Had the Iraqis destroyed them in the meantime, they'd have been accused of hiding them.

UNSCOM found two things in Iraq- Jack & Squat. Then a desperate witch hunt after the invasion found more of the same, so some rather elaborate lies were promulgated, like Michael Ledeen's story about how the weapons had been taken to the Bekaa valley by Spetsnaz...

Not to mention some sleazy smear attempts towards Blix, like your own.

Yep, you fall under the second kind of person I mentioned. You purposefully ignore the reports so they can continue to live in a fantasy land and lie about people who do not join them in their false view of reality.

No sense in trying to talk to someone who purposefully ignores the reports so you can continue to live in a fantasy land and lie about people who do not join you in your false view of reality.


PS - WMDs are more than just chemical weapons.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yep, you fall under the second kind of person I mentioned. You purposefully ignore the reports so they can continue to live in a fantasy land and lie about people who do not join them in their false view of reality.

No sense in trying to talk to someone who purposefully ignores the reports so you can continue to live in a fantasy land and lie about people who do not join you in your false view of reality.


PS - WMDs are more than just chemical weapons.

More trollish lameness.

The Iraqis' alleged bioweapons? 404, not found.

Their reconstituted nuclear program? Pieces of a centrifuge buried in a guy's backyard for 15 years.

Pffft. You got nothin', and neither did the Bushistas, other than the ability to sell a scam.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

That is what I thought. You are a coward.

Hmm, changing my post for a second time. Well done. Does it feel good to get banned time and time again?

Again, for the third time. I'll use small words for you.

Post proof of "tens of thousands terrorists dead".

Is that hard? You said it, now back it up or admit you lied (again).

As to your 100% incorrect idea that Iraq had WMD, everyone has told and showed you that you are wrong. The very fact that your and Rick Santorum are the only two people left in the entire US that believe that should show you how pathetic you really are.

You are the same as someone coming here and trying to argue the earth is flat, or that 2+2=5. Any derision you get from your posts is certainly well earned, and given your posting history here and elsewhere, you must have vast experience in showing how you are a troll and are ignorant. Good luck with your trolling at your next tech site once you get banned here. Must really take a sick mind to enjoy trolling and getting banned.

 

[cybrsage]

Hmm, changing my post for a second time. Well done. Does it feel good to get banned time and time again?

Again, for the third time. I'll use small words for you.

Post proof of "tens of thousands terrorists dead".

Is that hard? You said it, now back it up or admit you lied (again).

Banned from where? You are not one of those idiots who are pretending I am banned from Rage3D, are you? Pretty dumb to claim such, when I can easily post there again (like I just did earlier today) and show you to be wrong. If you are talking about Guru3d, then yes, but that was funny. Already posted that one. Time to fess up and say what you are talking about, or are you too cowardly to do that? Being a coward is something you do well, but it is a bit annoying to the rest of us.

I figured you were trolling...I thought everyone knew this stuff. I should start calling you Patrick Star.

More than 19,000 militants have been killed in fighting with coalition forces since the insurgency began more than four years ago, according to military statistics released for the first time.
The statistics show that 4,882 militants were killed in clashes with coalition forces this year, a 25% increase over all of last year

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2007-09-26-insurgents_N.htm

And before you go all stupid, you need to use your long term memory and recall that the media stopped calling those we were fighting "terrorists" because it made the bad guys feel bad...or something like that.

As to your 100% incorrect idea that Iraq had WMD, everyone has told and showed you that you are wrong. The very fact that your and Rick Santorum are the only two people left in the entire US that believe that should show you how pathetic you really are.

Everyone being you and Jhhnn...that is not a big crowd. I think you are also like him and think WMD is only CBR, right?

...lots of stupid stuff that I use to try and make people forget that I am not a coward...

Did not work. You still refuse to write Hans Blix and demand he explain why he lied to the UN about his WMD finds. Until you do, you are simply a little coward.

 

[Whiskey16]

Banned from where? You are not one of those idiots who are pretending I am banned from Rage3D, are you?

Congrats upon gettng your account active again, though certainly not back into the Politics & Religion subforum. Considering your past torrential posting there, and now here, there is certainly a strong reason for your years of recent absence and admission to now avoid it -- care to honestly share of your banning?

Already posted that one. Time to fess up and say what you are talking about, or are you too cowardly to do that? Being a coward is something you do well, but it is a bit annoying to the rest of us.
..
Did not work. You still refuse to write Hans Blix and demand he explain why he lied to the UN about his WMD finds. Until you do, you are simply a little coward.

Congrats upon continuing your nearly decade long infamous modus operandi of blantant falsehoods, intentional misquotes, strawman ad nauseum, personal attacks upon fellow forum members, etc., all into the sufferably high levels of posting since your joining of this forum. Sadly, it was all accurately predicted.

Guys, best not to feed him with attempts at honest discussion, particularly upon his broken record favourites of abortion (a zygote fetus, etc, are human, killing people is a crime and immoral), homosexuality (then why not equally recognise pedophelia and beastiality?), climate change (climate has always changed), and particularly any persuasion to accurately demonstate the errors -- particularly illegal -- of the 2003 invasion of Iraq (as known since the 1990s, Iraq had WMDs and the 'severe consequences' of Resolution 1441 -- no mention of invoking the UN Charter's Chapter VII -- authorised US unilateral action to violate the 'recognised sovereign integrity (as written in 1441..) of Iraq.

cybrsage is not present for honesty nor recognising reality, after being forced to leave many other forums to argue such favourites, he has now found a home at AnandTech to get his long-in-the-tooth jollies of yanking all of your chains.

 

[jackstar7]

Dude, I am not banned from Rage3D...

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showpost.php?p=1336804523&postcount=184

You are a moron.

It's true. Even these infractions were forgiven:

"Not that we have to explain ourselves, but he was given a standard week ban for recreating closed threads and defying a mod (or something like that), then a month ban for creating a duplicate account to continue posting (which we could easily have perm-banned him for)." - Ratchet

 

[rchiu]

I have always said the main reason the US went into Iraq was to create a democracy. It is also one of the reasons we stayed in Afghanistan after killing lots and lots of AQ and Taliban as revenge for the 9-11 attacks.

Democracy is contagious...set up a few and the other nations will follow. We see now that it was true.

Does this mean we will always agree with them? No, but it is true that two democracies have never gone to war with each other. At least not yet. Creating the conditions by which peace can be achieved is a good goal, and can only benefit the US (and all other nations) in the long run.

Do you seriously believe what you are saying?

Who gives US the right and the authority to push "democracy" by invading another country and killing the citizens in that country? Do you honestly believe democracy is something you can force onto another country, and US should be involved in destroying a country and rebuilding it into a model for democracy?

And peace really? place like Iraq is so unstable now because of the imbalance between Sunni and Shiite created by this "peace" mission. Possible civil war could break out, religious fanatic like al-Sadr could replace Saddam as a dictator. That's just tell you nation building, especially a nation with culture and people so different from yours is not as easy as 1, 2, 3.

Please stop making a joke of yourself by posting these ridiculous crap. Bush is dumb enough by starting a war, but at least now he has stop talking this same crap you are spewing because he knows how embarrassing it is.

 

[cybrsage]

It's true. Even these infractions were forgiven:

"Not that we have to explain ourselves, but he was given a standard week ban for recreating closed threads and defying a mod (or something like that), then a month ban for creating a duplicate account to continue posting (which we could easily have perm-banned him for)." - Ratchet

The dup account was created to PM a mod to find out why I received a short vacation, which is why they did not perma ban for it.

Wow, you really are reaching when you need to go back almost a decade to grab things. Do you even have a life?

 

[cybrsage]

Do you seriously believe what you are saying?

Yes, it is sad that you do not believe people should have the right to vote.

Who gives US the right and the authority to push "democracy" by invading another country and killing the citizens in that country? Do you honestly believe democracy is something you can force onto another country, and US should be involved in destroying a country and rebuilding it into a model for democracy?

I do. I personally give the US that right.

And peace really? place like Iraq is so unstable now because of the imbalance between Sunni and Shiite created by this "peace" mission. Possible civil war could break out, religious fanatic like al-Sadr could replace Saddam as a dictator. That's just tell you nation building, especially a nation with culture and people so different from yours is not as easy as 1, 2, 3.

Yes. Read what I wrote again and realize your statement is stupid.

Please stop making a joke of yourself by posting these ridiculous crap. Bush is dumb enough by starting a war, but at least now he has stop talking this same crap you are spewing because he knows how embarrassing it is.

Show me which two democracies have gone to war then. We will wait while you research it. Please do not return to the forum until you have, we will be better without you.

 

[sm625]

It's a conspiracy theory! Gotta turn em into a parking lot. The middle east has $50 trillion in untapped resources. We must invade and secure it for China. Dont you guys watch Fox News? or CNN? They will help you get with the program.

 

[Genx87]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GARE6NcxdcY#!

This guy recently started endorsing Ron Paul. Hope he's wearing his kevlar undies, because talking like this isn't going to sit well with the NeoCons and chickenhawks

http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2012/01/03/former-cia-agent-michael-scheuer-endorses-ron-paul/

So the US invents enemies and this guy claims if we dont vote ron paul to expect widespread islamic attacks within the United States. Pot lets meet the kettle.