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[hooflung]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Acanthus
K, game is flawless, have fun fanbois.

the game has its flaw just like all games, but you are just picking things that anoy you because you cant powerlevel in eve

No, you misunderstand my beef.

My beef is until you are at a certain skill level, youre about as useful paying your monthly fee and only logging in to change skill as you are doing ANYTHING else in the game.

Utter BS. Not even a pilot like myself with 25mil SP can pick up a frigate and solopwnmobile it around the star system. Why should a new pilot be any different. Fact is... you don't understand the game.

 

[hooflung]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
I went to look up a couple of those videos that show exactly what a difference skills make.

But alas, the eve webserver, which is on the exact same cluster the game is on, is lagging so bad the games website wont even load.

Actually you needed to do a c:\ipconfig /fushdns

but I guess its easier to blame CCP for something Windows should do for you when a server on the internet changes its IP address. Its not like they didn't give you a patch that pointed to the proper IP address.... so... yeah... it was CCPs fault... yet I was on the forums shortly after the cluster went up because, like EVE, I know what to do and when to do it.

 

[foodfightr]

The way that I see it is.....

ALL GAMES ARE INFERIOR TO ASHERONS CALL

Too bad they fumbled with AC2 and its mindless diablo style hack and slash your way up the skill tree character building.

MMOs are just getting stale lately, someone has to take a risk and develop a game for people with intellect, rather than for the mass market. I'm not saying that there isn't anything for us intellectuals, I'm just saying most of these new MMOs are developed to include the largest audience and the best ideas we've had lately is to make a trade off between real life time and in game superiority- or mindlessly grinding up skill trees.

 

[hooflung]

How about the massive memory leak some players have and CCP wont comment on?

The memory leak caused by .NET 1.1 and the ATI Catalyst Drivers? Download .NET 2.0 and it will be fixed... this has been solved on the forums in 'Technical Support' for about a month and a half. Did you ever go there?

Also, some Nvidia users had noticable memory problems that _uninstaling_ .NET 1.1 then _installing_ .NET 2.0 fixed. So... Microsoft stealth changes a .dll somewhere that is shared in the complete windows library to fix something totally unrelated and its CCP's fault?

Guess its easier to blame the ones collecting your money monthly...

Even if it was a CCP fault... they are not required to support every setup under the sun. I didn't have memory problems on any of my PCs except my ATI. Guess what fixed it?

Maybe I am a fan boi... maybe I just don't like ignorant hyperbolic accusations that are from a perspective of ... what... 2 months you say? Ha... revisit the game with an open mind after and a disatisfaction of level cap and stop listening to newb corp chatter preaching what 'they' think is wrong with the game.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: hooflung

Originally posted by: Acanthus
I went to look up a couple of those videos that show exactly what a difference skills make.

But alas, the eve webserver, which is on the exact same cluster the game is on, is lagging so bad the games website wont even load.

Actually you needed to do a c:\ipconfig /fushdns

but I guess its easier to blame CCP for something Windows should do for you when a server on the internet changes its IP address. Its not like they didn't give you a patch that pointed to the proper IP address.... so... yeah... it was CCPs fault... yet I was on the forums shortly after the cluster went up because, like EVE, I know what to do and when to do it.

Im sorry, all of eves playerbase must be CCNEs.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: hooflung

How about the massive memory leak some players have and CCP wont comment on?

The memory leak caused by .NET 1.1 and the ATI Catalyst Drivers? Download .NET 2.0 and it will be fixed... this has been solved on the forums in 'Technical Support' for about a month and a half. Did you ever go there?

Also, some Nvidia users had noticable memory problems that _uninstaling_ .NET 1.1 then _installing_ .NET 2.0 fixed. So... Microsoft stealth changes a .dll somewhere that is shared in the complete windows library to fix something totally unrelated and its CCP's fault?

Guess its easier to blame the ones collecting your money monthly...

Even if it was a CCP fault... they are not required to support every setup under the sun. I didn't have memory problems on any of my PCs except my ATI. Guess what fixed it?

Maybe I am a fan boi... maybe I just don't like ignorant hyperbolic accusations that are from a perspective of ... what... 2 months you say? Ha... revisit the game with an open mind after and a disatisfaction of level cap and stop listening to newb corp chatter preaching what 'they' think is wrong with the game.

Neither of those work for all players. I dont experience the memory leak, and i know all about updating to .net 2.0.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: hooflung

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Acanthus
K, game is flawless, have fun fanbois.

the game has its flaw just like all games, but you are just picking things that anoy you because you cant powerlevel in eve

No, you misunderstand my beef.

My beef is until you are at a certain skill level, youre about as useful paying your monthly fee and only logging in to change skill as you are doing ANYTHING else in the game.

Utter BS. Not even a pilot like myself with 25mil SP can pick up a frigate and solopwnmobile it around the star system. Why should a new pilot be any different. Fact is... you don't understand the game.

A pilot with 25mil SP isnt in a frigate, unless its an interceptor.

Thats a pretty stupid argument to begin with, thats the equivlent to saying, "a level 60 in wow cant put on grey gear and pwn level 30 level 40s at once".

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: hooflung

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: nsafreak
It seems that acanthus just isn't going to get a clue about what the game is about no matter how we present it to him. Personally I've been playing the game for 6 months and I'm still having a great time and exploring new things. I'm not the best PvPer in game but a corpmate and I took out a ferox yesterday. I could've taken out the ferox on my own but the corpmate was a bit hungry for blood. The ferox barely put a dent in my armor while my armor tanked thorax (cruiser class) tore his ship to shreds.

You havent presented anything that points to "fun". If you like to grind missions and pvp with noobs, or stare at a trade window all day, maybe eve is fun for you.

If you want to pvp in fleet battles, breakup gate camps, run complexes, do level 4 missions, or anything else in the game that really would be considered "fun" to most people. You have to wait 6 months.

The game isnt flawless, because it sits on the same stupid "we gotta keep them PAYING" business model, rather than the "we gotta keep them PLAYING and having fun" business model. (which i will admit no MMOG to date has even attempted to accomplish)

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I suppose you like to hunt your own food so you don't have to pay someone to eat too? Shoot, skin and fry some squirls lately? Fed up with a "paying" business model that doesn't meet your taste or lowers itself to your education level? You should just leave the thread because your only talking 'my fun level' vs your 'fun level' and trying to mix oppinion with jaded observation to try and come off fact bearing and objective. Fact is... you just don't know how to play the game, didn't invest what the game requires, and think fun revolves around you.

What the hell is a video game for? :roll::laugh:

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: nsafreak

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: nsafreak
It seems that acanthus just isn't going to get a clue about what the game is about no matter how we present it to him. Personally I've been playing the game for 6 months and I'm still having a great time and exploring new things. I'm not the best PvPer in game but a corpmate and I took out a ferox yesterday. I could've taken out the ferox on my own but the corpmate was a bit hungry for blood. The ferox barely put a dent in my armor while my armor tanked thorax (cruiser class) tore his ship to shreds.

You havent presented anything that points to "fun". If you like to grind missions and pvp with noobs, or stare at a trade window all day, maybe eve is fun for you.

If you want to pvp in fleet battles, breakup gate camps, run complexes, do level 4 missions, or anything else in the game that really would be considered "fun" to most people. You have to wait 6 months.

The game isnt flawless, because it sits on the same stupid "we gotta keep them PAYING" business model, rather than the "we gotta keep them PLAYING and having fun" business model. (which i will admit no MMOG to date has even attempted to accomplish)

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With the exception of the level 4 missions (which may still be possible) you can do all of those things within 6 months or less of playing. Hell I do some of them on a regular basis. Sorry i don't "grind" with noobs I have fun doing a variety of different things in the game. Just depends on what my mood is on a given day.

I promise you, you dont do anything over a 4/10 complex without at least 10 other people.

I would love to see noobs take on a gate camp of 4 battleships and HACs at range, fleet battles with low SP players is a joke if you dont outnumber your enemy 3:1 or better.

 

[Acanthus]

Video Link

Watch that and tell me SPs dont make a significant difference.

Cliffs:

Part 1 - High SP corp eats a mid SP corp in under a minute, destroys the entire fleet

Part 2 - High SP Player demolishes 2 equal ships

Part 3 - High SP corp destroys a low SP corp that they outnumber in under 45 seconds

Part 4 - 2 High SP players take on 7 from the very corp mentioned above, goonfleet, that "owns with numbers".

 

[Falloutboy]

lol, I used to in gangs with trial alts take out BS just for sh*ts and giggles, 4 kessies all less than a week old taking out year old BS pilots is funner than hell. granted you can't win on even numbers in that low of skill but who cares. I've taken out ceptors in tech 1 frigs. you just have to be creative. and even a noob has a use in a fleet, maybe you can't pilot a BS but I actually think its alot funner to be the guy in a tech 1 frig getting the tackle on that BS so your fleet can kill it. and if you die who cares the ship cost 200k not 300M with fittings for the battleship your just helped kill cost.

 

[SH3200]

lol. Whoever said you need 20mil SP to join a alliance is talking out of their ass. After FOE ended I applied and got into the .5. alliance with 8mil SP. I'm now approaching 18mil and I've easily pulled my weight since the beginning. I can tell you low SP players can easily demolish high SP players with just simple thinking. The reason why you dont see vids of them is because people only start frapsing when their SURE of a kill as it adds lag and distractions when you need to be concentrating on the fight, not camera angles.

A relatively low 4mil SP player in a blackbird can jam a 40mil SP megathron specialist pilot while his buddies beat the hell out of his navy mega. If you go straight in toe to toe without using your brains or other modules to equalize the playing field, you will lose no doubt about it. But if you use your advantages, ewar, drones ( to distract fofs) and a basic knowledge of engagement tactics (like not trying to approach a sniping tempest head on from 100km).

SPs? Significant difference? Yes in a toe to toe fight but that rarely happens, tactics and how you employ that difference will make an even bigger difference. If you get a covt ops and warp a group of 50 T1 frigs on top of 50 fleet setup BSes, you can guarantee the fleet setup BSes will lose more isk wise than the frigs. The main reason why you see high SP players demolishing low SP players is because they have the advantage of discipline, experience and tactics. Provide that to low SP players and the playing field is levelled.

 

[TGS]

It's the same in any game, individual skills on a 1vs1 fight will only take you so far in a group environment.

In WoW, I killed my first 60 at 54. Which as a caster it's damn hard to land consistant blows on someone with that level advantage. Using some good tatics and skills that gave me the advantage, I was able to kill someone who was called in to back two lowbie gankers. After I killed this 60 shammy twice on my then 54 priest he called in a few more guild members, most carrying epics. A few alliance 60's without epics came over and we still won even though numbers and gear wise we should have lost.

In BF1942, I consider myself a very good player. Still if 3-4 low-medium skilled players try to mob me, I have a good chance that I won't make it out of the fight. Pending of course I don't get the initial jump, and they aren't exactly coordinated in their attempt to bring me down.

It's impossible to call yourself the best, when it's a group environment. Your contribution in defeating enemies, and minimizing losses on your side is the determining factor of who wins in the end. You could, in a WoW scenario be the top KB/HK player for a round of battlegrounds, which means exactly squat if you lose the round. The other team makes out with a greater deal of honor and faction rep for winning over just getting a nice string of kills.

I'm actually thinking of giving Eve a try as the game play sounds be almost exactly what I would like in an MMO.