Europeans Like Bush Even Less Than Before

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: biostud666

Originally posted by: bykim5
ok...so does anybody like us in Europe?

It's not the americans we don't like, it's the Bush administration. During the Clinton years, US was far more popular.

Liberals are a pushover when it comes to doing what the europeans ask. Why wouldn't y'all like that. Hell, I'd like that too if I was you. Problem is, the US is not run by europe.

KK

Nobody ever thougth it was, but here's some news for you, the world isn't run by Bush.

I really don't care what you do within your own borders, i really, really don't, but your foreign politcs affect the rest of the world and your president is acting like he owned it, it kinda pisses me off.

With us or against us? The world was with you until your morinic president decided to invade a country based on lies and deception.

Germany and France, every nation you now so despise, we were with you in Afghanistan, i know because i was there. Regarding Iraq, i don't think i need to remind you, 11 for 180 against.

I can't help but thinking about how just 60 years ago your country thought it was the master race and tried to take over Europe. There are 10's of thousands of dead American's buried in Europe because of YOUR country. I'm not sure you should be making the argument that America think its owns the World. Our track record is just a little bit better than yours. What exactly was YOUR governments motives when invading Italy? France? THAT was an invasion based on lies and deception.. and wasn't that long ago.. what we are doing is protecting our interests and probably protecting YOUR interests as well... we all have a vested interest in making sure a country with a dictator capable and willing of invading its neighbors and possibly using WMD to do it.

You mean to say it was a former government...a former administration. It wasn't the whole country.

Or did you intend for your comment to be racist?

Race card.. nicely played. It wasn't the whole country? Well, of course it wasn't.. there probably was a certain percentage of people who disagreed with it.. So a country is not held responsible for its actions if they were from a 'former' Administration and 100% of the people didn't agree with it? And I am a racist for asking them to be responsible? Hah

So you are saying that the German people of today are responsible for what happened 60 years ago?

Am *I* as a new German citizen responsible, i am semitic, i was raised a protestant but my mothers mother and father fled germany and they were jews, am *I* responsible for the actions of the Nazis?

Exactly HOW long is a country responsible for it's actions? You are so extremely narrow minded, nobody in Germany today agrees with the Nazi's actions, ok, not nobody but not many, i bet you could find more of them in the US. Still you don't get that us europeans don't hate YOU as a people, we don't even hate that clown of a president you elected, we hate the foreign politics and his way of dealing with it, like he owned the world.

 

[MonkeyK]

Originally posted by: Zephyr106
These people owe everything to America, and their lack of support makes them seem to be just "asking-for-liberation."

Zephyr

So that's what liberation means!

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: biostud666

Originally posted by: bykim5
ok...so does anybody like us in Europe?

It's not the americans we don't like, it's the Bush administration. During the Clinton years, US was far more popular.

Liberals are a pushover when it comes to doing what the europeans ask. Why wouldn't y'all like that. Hell, I'd like that too if I was you. Problem is, the US is not run by europe.

KK

Nobody ever thougth it was, but here's some news for you, the world isn't run by Bush.

I really don't care what you do within your own borders, i really, really don't, but your foreign politcs affect the rest of the world and your president is acting like he owned it, it kinda pisses me off.

With us or against us? The world was with you until your morinic president decided to invade a country based on lies and deception.

Germany and France, every nation you now so despise, we were with you in Afghanistan, i know because i was there. Regarding Iraq, i don't think i need to remind you, 11 for 180 against.

I can't help but thinking about how just 60 years ago your country thought it was the master race and tried to take over Europe. There are 10's of thousands of dead American's buried in Europe because of YOUR country. I'm not sure you should be making the argument that America think its owns the World. Our track record is just a little bit better than yours. What exactly was YOUR governments motives when invading Italy? France? THAT was an invasion based on lies and deception.. and wasn't that long ago.. what we are doing is protecting our interests and probably protecting YOUR interests as well... we all have a vested interest in making sure a country with a dictator capable and willing of invading its neighbors and possibly using WMD to do it.

THAT was real terror, if someone would shout sieg heil to me on the street i would pound him into the ground.

My grandparents fled Germany with the help of a man called Wallenberg. I was born in Finland.

Maybe, just maybe, you should try to think before you write, if you think *I* don't know the history of Germany, if you think *I* am defending the actions of the Nazis, then you are FUBAR.

Now let's return to the reality, it is 2004, not 1944, and the world today is different for all countries.

Just so you realize it, the method in your signature, was used by Nazis, i believe it was Rommels idea that you are now stating in your sig.

There are quite a few people still alive who faught in WWII, apparently they don't exist anymore. I'll inform the Vets they are no longer needed and can die now.

BTW, the sig is a joke.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Crimson
Well, if you really want to get down to it, Europe destroyed the Native Americans because most of it was done before we became a country.. or at least it was set in motion. So I blame Europe for that too..

An attempt to blame a genocide on someone else and then a , how very nice.

Oh, i forgot, native americans were only savages, they deserved it.

I wonder if i did the same about the holocaust and a after it, would that be appreciated?

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: biostud666

Originally posted by: bykim5
ok...so does anybody like us in Europe?

It's not the americans we don't like, it's the Bush administration. During the Clinton years, US was far more popular.

Liberals are a pushover when it comes to doing what the europeans ask. Why wouldn't y'all like that. Hell, I'd like that too if I was you. Problem is, the US is not run by europe.

KK

Nobody ever thougth it was, but here's some news for you, the world isn't run by Bush.

I really don't care what you do within your own borders, i really, really don't, but your foreign politcs affect the rest of the world and your president is acting like he owned it, it kinda pisses me off.

With us or against us? The world was with you until your morinic president decided to invade a country based on lies and deception.

Germany and France, every nation you now so despise, we were with you in Afghanistan, i know because i was there. Regarding Iraq, i don't think i need to remind you, 11 for 180 against.

I can't help but thinking about how just 60 years ago your country thought it was the master race and tried to take over Europe. There are 10's of thousands of dead American's buried in Europe because of YOUR country. I'm not sure you should be making the argument that America think its owns the World. Our track record is just a little bit better than yours. What exactly was YOUR governments motives when invading Italy? France? THAT was an invasion based on lies and deception.. and wasn't that long ago.. what we are doing is protecting our interests and probably protecting YOUR interests as well... we all have a vested interest in making sure a country with a dictator capable and willing of invading its neighbors and possibly using WMD to do it.

You mean to say it was a former government...a former administration. It wasn't the whole country.

Or did you intend for your comment to be racist?

Race card.. nicely played. It wasn't the whole country? Well, of course it wasn't.. there probably was a certain percentage of people who disagreed with it.. So a country is not held responsible for its actions if they were from a 'former' Administration and 100% of the people didn't agree with it? And I am a racist for asking them to be responsible? Hah

So you are saying that the German people of today are responsible for what happened 60 years ago?

Am *I* as a new German citizen responsible, i am semitic, i was raised a protestant but my mothers mother and father fled germany and they were jews, am *I* responsible for the actions of the Nazis?

Exactly HOW long is a country responsible for it's actions? You are so extremely narrow minded, nobody in Germany today agrees with the Nazi's actions, ok, not nobody but not many, i bet you could find more of them in the US. Still you don't get that us europeans don't hate YOU as a people, we don't even hate that clown of a president you elected, we hate the foreign politics and his way of dealing with it, like he owned the world.

The average lifespan of a human in the Western world is longer than 60 years.. so, my answer would be 'sometime longer than 60 years'.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
So you are saying that the German people of today are responsible for what happened 60 years ago?

Am *I* as a new German citizen responsible, i am semitic, i was raised a protestant but my mothers mother and father fled germany and they were jews, am *I* responsible for the actions of the Nazis?

Exactly HOW long is a country responsible for it's actions? You are so extremely narrow minded, nobody in Germany today agrees with the Nazi's actions, ok, not nobody but not many, i bet you could find more of them in the US. Still you don't get that us europeans don't hate YOU as a people, we don't even hate that clown of a president you elected, we hate the foreign politics and his way of dealing with it, like he owned the world.

Trouble is, words like yours go right through the empty space of the vacuous.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: biostud666

Originally posted by: bykim5
ok...so does anybody like us in Europe?

It's not the americans we don't like, it's the Bush administration. During the Clinton years, US was far more popular.

Liberals are a pushover when it comes to doing what the europeans ask. Why wouldn't y'all like that. Hell, I'd like that too if I was you. Problem is, the US is not run by europe.

KK

Nobody ever thougth it was, but here's some news for you, the world isn't run by Bush.

I really don't care what you do within your own borders, i really, really don't, but your foreign politcs affect the rest of the world and your president is acting like he owned it, it kinda pisses me off.

With us or against us? The world was with you until your morinic president decided to invade a country based on lies and deception.

Germany and France, every nation you now so despise, we were with you in Afghanistan, i know because i was there. Regarding Iraq, i don't think i need to remind you, 11 for 180 against.

Had we attacked Afghanistan before 9/11, it'd be the same, 11 for 180 against. So we can never be proactive according to the europeans.


KK

*sigh* pro active? why not attack greenland, who knows when they will attack the US, they were as much of a threat as Iraq was.

Actually, if you wanted to hurt Bin Ladin, Pakistan and SA would have been much better targets, but who cares about that, right?

The fact that you use 9/11 as an excuse to go to war against Iraq, even though you use it in a much smarter sense than your idiot of a president, only means one thing, you have a hard time distinguishing one situation from another.

You can use this proactive crap on any nation, the biggest threat to world peace is the US, come on china, attack, and everyone could stand by and say it was proactive, not because the world thought so, but because china thought so.

Where did I use 9/11 as an excuse to attack Iraq? Yep, that's right, nowhere, quit making stuff up. I stated that had we attack afghanistan before 9/11 we would have gotten the same response from the europeans as we are now. Don't you think, if you don't think so then you are only fooling yourself.

I agree with you that other nations also pose a great threat, and they should be dealt with accordingly, and hopefully they will be. Let's hope it's proactive rather than reactive.

KK

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Crimson
Well, if you really want to get down to it, Europe destroyed the Native Americans because most of it was done before we became a country.. or at least it was set in motion. So I blame Europe for that too..

An attempt to blame a genocide on someone else and then a , how very nice.

Oh, i forgot, native americans were only savages, they deserved it.

I wonder if i did the same about the holocaust and a after it, would that be appreciated?

YOU are the one saying 60 years is too long to hold people responsible in Germany.. we should be fine here in America according to your logic.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: biostud666

Originally posted by: bykim5
ok...so does anybody like us in Europe?

It's not the americans we don't like, it's the Bush administration. During the Clinton years, US was far more popular.

Liberals are a pushover when it comes to doing what the europeans ask. Why wouldn't y'all like that. Hell, I'd like that too if I was you. Problem is, the US is not run by europe.

KK

Nobody ever thougth it was, but here's some news for you, the world isn't run by Bush.

I really don't care what you do within your own borders, i really, really don't, but your foreign politcs affect the rest of the world and your president is acting like he owned it, it kinda pisses me off.

With us or against us? The world was with you until your morinic president decided to invade a country based on lies and deception.

Germany and France, every nation you now so despise, we were with you in Afghanistan, i know because i was there. Regarding Iraq, i don't think i need to remind you, 11 for 180 against.

Had we attacked Afghanistan before 9/11, it'd be the same, 11 for 180 against. So we can never be proactive according to the europeans.


KK

*sigh* pro active? why not attack greenland, who knows when they will attack the US, they were as much of a threat as Iraq was.

Actually, if you wanted to hurt Bin Ladin, Pakistan and SA would have been much better targets, but who cares about that, right?

The fact that you use 9/11 as an excuse to go to war against Iraq, even though you use it in a much smarter sense than your idiot of a president, only means one thing, you have a hard time distinguishing one situation from another.

You can use this proactive crap on any nation, the biggest threat to world peace is the US, come on china, attack, and everyone could stand by and say it was proactive, not because the world thought so, but because china thought so.

Where did I use 9/11 as an excuse to attack Iraq? Yep, that's right, nowhere, quit making stuff up. I stated that had we attack afghanistan before 9/11 we would have gotten the same response from the europeans as we are now. Don't you think, if you don't think so then you are only fooling yourself.

I agree with you that other nations also pose a great threat, and they should be dealt with accordingly, and hopefully they will be. Let's hope it's proactive rather than reactive.

KK

Man, you are too dense, you compared the war on Iraq to a war on Afghanistan to prevent 9/11.

Do i even have to explain your own comparisons to yourself?

You mean like how Iraq dealt with Kuwait proactively?

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: biostud666

Originally posted by: bykim5
ok...so does anybody like us in Europe?

It's not the americans we don't like, it's the Bush administration. During the Clinton years, US was far more popular.

Liberals are a pushover when it comes to doing what the europeans ask. Why wouldn't y'all like that. Hell, I'd like that too if I was you. Problem is, the US is not run by europe.

KK

Nobody ever thougth it was, but here's some news for you, the world isn't run by Bush.

I really don't care what you do within your own borders, i really, really don't, but your foreign politcs affect the rest of the world and your president is acting like he owned it, it kinda pisses me off.

With us or against us? The world was with you until your morinic president decided to invade a country based on lies and deception.

Germany and France, every nation you now so despise, we were with you in Afghanistan, i know because i was there. Regarding Iraq, i don't think i need to remind you, 11 for 180 against.

I can't help but thinking about how just 60 years ago your country thought it was the master race and tried to take over Europe. There are 10's of thousands of dead American's buried in Europe because of YOUR country. I'm not sure you should be making the argument that America think its owns the World. Our track record is just a little bit better than yours. What exactly was YOUR governments motives when invading Italy? France? THAT was an invasion based on lies and deception.. and wasn't that long ago.. what we are doing is protecting our interests and probably protecting YOUR interests as well... we all have a vested interest in making sure a country with a dictator capable and willing of invading its neighbors and possibly using WMD to do it.

THAT was real terror, if someone would shout sieg heil to me on the street i would pound him into the ground.

My grandparents fled Germany with the help of a man called Wallenberg. I was born in Finland.

Maybe, just maybe, you should try to think before you write, if you think *I* don't know the history of Germany, if you think *I* am defending the actions of the Nazis, then you are FUBAR.

Now let's return to the reality, it is 2004, not 1944, and the world today is different for all countries.

Just so you realize it, the method in your signature, was used by Nazis, i believe it was Rommels idea that you are now stating in your sig.

There are quite a few people still alive who faught in WWII, apparently they don't exist anymore. I'll inform the Vets they are no longer needed and can die now.

BTW, the sig is a joke.

Yes there are people alive since then, both in the US and in Germany, does that mean anything? Anything at all? Nope.

The Germany i live in today has been recreated TWICE since then, i am a grandson of one of the jews who fled, not that that matters to you, your hate for Europeans is too strong, why? I fought in Afghanistan for the people who died in the US, remember? Germany refused to fight Iraq because the WORLDS opinion was that it was wrong, remember?

Now, *I* who would not even exist if the Nazis had caught my grandparents am one of those responisble?

I still take offence to your sig, it was a way designed by the Nazis to spare bullets.

If not for a couragous Swede, my grandparents could have been in that line.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Crimson
Well, if you really want to get down to it, Europe destroyed the Native Americans because most of it was done before we became a country.. or at least it was set in motion. So I blame Europe for that too..

An attempt to blame a genocide on someone else and then a , how very nice.

Oh, i forgot, native americans were only savages, they deserved it.

I wonder if i did the same about the holocaust and a after it, would that be appreciated?

YOU are the one saying 60 years is too long to hold people responsible in Germany.. we should be fine here in America according to your logic.

And you are as far as i am concerned, just don't bring up the history with a .

There is a difference though, the US are proud of their history of genocide, Germany is not.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Crimson
Well, if you really want to get down to it, Europe destroyed the Native Americans because most of it was done before we became a country.. or at least it was set in motion. So I blame Europe for that too..

An attempt to blame a genocide on someone else and then a , how very nice.

Oh, i forgot, native americans were only savages, they deserved it.

I wonder if i did the same about the holocaust and a after it, would that be appreciated?

YOU are the one saying 60 years is too long to hold people responsible in Germany.. we should be fine here in America according to your logic.

And you are as far as i am concerned, just don't bring up the history with a .

There is a difference though, the US are proud of their history of genocide, Germany is not.

sssh the word is "manifest of destiny" get it right or ill call you a communist ... err terrorist ... i mean unpartioatic

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: biostud666

Originally posted by: bykim5
ok...so does anybody like us in Europe?

It's not the americans we don't like, it's the Bush administration. During the Clinton years, US was far more popular.

Liberals are a pushover when it comes to doing what the europeans ask. Why wouldn't y'all like that. Hell, I'd like that too if I was you. Problem is, the US is not run by europe.

KK

Nobody ever thougth it was, but here's some news for you, the world isn't run by Bush.

I really don't care what you do within your own borders, i really, really don't, but your foreign politcs affect the rest of the world and your president is acting like he owned it, it kinda pisses me off.

With us or against us? The world was with you until your morinic president decided to invade a country based on lies and deception.

Germany and France, every nation you now so despise, we were with you in Afghanistan, i know because i was there. Regarding Iraq, i don't think i need to remind you, 11 for 180 against.

Had we attacked Afghanistan before 9/11, it'd be the same, 11 for 180 against. So we can never be proactive according to the europeans.


KK

*sigh* pro active? why not attack greenland, who knows when they will attack the US, they were as much of a threat as Iraq was.

Actually, if you wanted to hurt Bin Ladin, Pakistan and SA would have been much better targets, but who cares about that, right?

The fact that you use 9/11 as an excuse to go to war against Iraq, even though you use it in a much smarter sense than your idiot of a president, only means one thing, you have a hard time distinguishing one situation from another.

You can use this proactive crap on any nation, the biggest threat to world peace is the US, come on china, attack, and everyone could stand by and say it was proactive, not because the world thought so, but because china thought so.

Where did I use 9/11 as an excuse to attack Iraq? Yep, that's right, nowhere, quit making stuff up. I stated that had we attack afghanistan before 9/11 we would have gotten the same response from the europeans as we are now. Don't you think, if you don't think so then you are only fooling yourself.

I agree with you that other nations also pose a great threat, and they should be dealt with accordingly, and hopefully they will be. Let's hope it's proactive rather than reactive.

KK

Man, you are too dense, you compared the war on Iraq to a war on Afghanistan to prevent 9/11.

Do i even have to explain your own comparisons to yourself?

You mean like how Iraq dealt with Kuwait proactively?

Please put in bold where I used 9/11 as an excuse to go to war with Iraq. And don't speak until you can do so. Thank you.

KK

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: biostud666

Originally posted by: bykim5
ok...so does anybody like us in Europe?

It's not the americans we don't like, it's the Bush administration. During the Clinton years, US was far more popular.

Liberals are a pushover when it comes to doing what the europeans ask. Why wouldn't y'all like that. Hell, I'd like that too if I was you. Problem is, the US is not run by europe.

KK

Nobody ever thougth it was, but here's some news for you, the world isn't run by Bush.

I really don't care what you do within your own borders, i really, really don't, but your foreign politcs affect the rest of the world and your president is acting like he owned it, it kinda pisses me off.

With us or against us? The world was with you until your morinic president decided to invade a country based on lies and deception.

Germany and France, every nation you now so despise, we were with you in Afghanistan, i know because i was there. Regarding Iraq, i don't think i need to remind you, 11 for 180 against.

I can't help but thinking about how just 60 years ago your country thought it was the master race and tried to take over Europe. There are 10's of thousands of dead American's buried in Europe because of YOUR country. I'm not sure you should be making the argument that America think its owns the World. Our track record is just a little bit better than yours. What exactly was YOUR governments motives when invading Italy? France? THAT was an invasion based on lies and deception.. and wasn't that long ago.. what we are doing is protecting our interests and probably protecting YOUR interests as well... we all have a vested interest in making sure a country with a dictator capable and willing of invading its neighbors and possibly using WMD to do it.

You mean to say it was a former government...a former administration. It wasn't the whole country.

Or did you intend for your comment to be racist?

It looked to me more like he was lashing out clumsily because the man has a point.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Crimson
Well, if you really want to get down to it, Europe destroyed the Native Americans because most of it was done before we became a country.. or at least it was set in motion. So I blame Europe for that too..

Your ignorance is mindnumbing. Perhaps you should take a History class.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Zephyr106
Just a cursory scan reveals words like:

"NYTimes"

"French"

"Russian"

"liberal"

In other words, not worth reading as it is the typical liberal propaganda.

These people owe everything to America, and their lack of support makes them seem to be just "asking-for-liberation."

Zephyr

just a question, but do you have maybe a hard time reading books?

Zephyrs smarter than you think and funny too. It's you who needs to read more to get it.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: biostud666

Originally posted by: bykim5
ok...so does anybody like us in Europe?

It's not the americans we don't like, it's the Bush administration. During the Clinton years, US was far more popular.

Liberals are a pushover when it comes to doing what the europeans ask. Why wouldn't y'all like that. Hell, I'd like that too if I was you. Problem is, the US is not run by europe.

KK

Nobody ever thougth it was, but here's some news for you, the world isn't run by Bush.

I really don't care what you do within your own borders, i really, really don't, but your foreign politcs affect the rest of the world and your president is acting like he owned it, it kinda pisses me off.

With us or against us? The world was with you until your morinic president decided to invade a country based on lies and deception.

Germany and France, every nation you now so despise, we were with you in Afghanistan, i know because i was there. Regarding Iraq, i don't think i need to remind you, 11 for 180 against.

Had we attacked Afghanistan before 9/11, it'd be the same, 11 for 180 against. So we can never be proactive according to the europeans.


KK

*sigh* pro active? why not attack greenland, who knows when they will attack the US, they were as much of a threat as Iraq was.

Actually, if you wanted to hurt Bin Ladin, Pakistan and SA would have been much better targets, but who cares about that, right?

The fact that you use 9/11 as an excuse to go to war against Iraq, even though you use it in a much smarter sense than your idiot of a president, only means one thing, you have a hard time distinguishing one situation from another.

You can use this proactive crap on any nation, the biggest threat to world peace is the US, come on china, attack, and everyone could stand by and say it was proactive, not because the world thought so, but because china thought so.

Where did I use 9/11 as an excuse to attack Iraq? Yep, that's right, nowhere, quit making stuff up. I stated that had we attack afghanistan before 9/11 we would have gotten the same response from the europeans as we are now. Don't you think, if you don't think so then you are only fooling yourself.

I agree with you that other nations also pose a great threat, and they should be dealt with accordingly, and hopefully they will be. Let's hope it's proactive rather than reactive.

KK

Man, you are too dense, you compared the war on Iraq to a war on Afghanistan to prevent 9/11.

Do i even have to explain your own comparisons to yourself?

You mean like how Iraq dealt with Kuwait proactively?

Please put in bold where I used 9/11 as an excuse to go to war with Iraq. And don't speak until you can do so. Thank you.

KK

If you don't get what you compared yourself, then i dunno what to say.

"had we attacked afghanistan (like you did with Iraq) before 9/11, it'd be the same"

Basically to me it means that you attacked Iraq to prevent another 9/11, which to me is using 9/11 (terrorism) as an excuse.

I have a feeling you are messing with me, nobody can be that dense.

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: biostud666

Originally posted by: bykim5
ok...so does anybody like us in Europe?

It's not the americans we don't like, it's the Bush administration. During the Clinton years, US was far more popular.

Liberals are a pushover when it comes to doing what the europeans ask. Why wouldn't y'all like that. Hell, I'd like that too if I was you. Problem is, the US is not run by europe.

KK

Nobody ever thougth it was, but here's some news for you, the world isn't run by Bush.

I really don't care what you do within your own borders, i really, really don't, but your foreign politcs affect the rest of the world and your president is acting like he owned it, it kinda pisses me off.

With us or against us? The world was with you until your morinic president decided to invade a country based on lies and deception.

Germany and France, every nation you now so despise, we were with you in Afghanistan, i know because i was there. Regarding Iraq, i don't think i need to remind you, 11 for 180 against.

I can't help but thinking about how just 60 years ago your country thought it was the master race and tried to take over Europe. There are 10's of thousands of dead American's buried in Europe because of YOUR country. I'm not sure you should be making the argument that America think its owns the World. Our track record is just a little bit better than yours. What exactly was YOUR governments motives when invading Italy? France? THAT was an invasion based on lies and deception.. and wasn't that long ago.. what we are doing is protecting our interests and probably protecting YOUR interests as well... we all have a vested interest in making sure a country with a dictator capable and willing of invading its neighbors and possibly using WMD to do it.

THAT was real terror, if someone would shout sieg heil to me on the street i would pound him into the ground.

My grandparents fled Germany with the help of a man called Wallenberg. I was born in Finland.

Maybe, just maybe, you should try to think before you write, if you think *I* don't know the history of Germany, if you think *I* am defending the actions of the Nazis, then you are FUBAR.

Now let's return to the reality, it is 2004, not 1944, and the world today is different for all countries.

Just so you realize it, the method in your signature, was used by Nazis, i believe it was Rommels idea that you are now stating in your sig.

There are quite a few people still alive who faught in WWII, apparently they don't exist anymore. I'll inform the Vets they are no longer needed and can die now.

BTW, the sig is a joke.

Yes there are people alive since then, both in the US and in Germany, does that mean anything? Anything at all? Nope.

The Germany i live in today has been recreated TWICE since then, i am a grandson of one of the jews who fled, not that that matters to you, your hate for Europeans is too strong, why? I fought in Afghanistan for the people who died in the US, remember? Germany refused to fight Iraq because the WORLDS opinion was that it was wrong, remember?

Now, *I* who would not even exist if the Nazis had caught my grandparents am one of those responisble?

I still take offence to your sig, it was a way designed by the Nazis to spare bullets.

If not for a couragous Swede, my grandparents could have been in that line.

I've had this signature for like 2 years.. and it has nothing to do with Nazi's. It has everything to do with me wanting to kill a lot of evil people in this world.. I would line up Saddam, Osama, the little North Korean midget guy, among others.. If you want to make up a meaning to make it somehow offensive to yourself, be my guest.

I have no hate for Europeans, I do not like them however playing the righteous card when there is more blood on Europe's hands than there will EVER be on the United States. And Germany is the LAST country that should be playing that card.

"World Opinion" also looked the other way as Germany started two World Wars.. just because "World Opinion" swings one way, does not mean its right. 10's of thousands of Americans are dead because of "World Opinion" 60 years ago. We are not going to make that mistake again.

If many Germans and Europeans would not have looked the other way as Germany was building up for war, your grandparents would never have needed to be recused, and millions of other Jews would probably not be dead... thats all I am saying. While you may not see Iraq as preventing another world war, I think it is the first step in preventing the deaths of thousands of Americans, Germans, French, Iraqis, Kuwaitis, Japanese, etc in the future.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Crimson
Well, if you really want to get down to it, Europe destroyed the Native Americans because most of it was done before we became a country.. or at least it was set in motion. So I blame Europe for that too..

An attempt to blame a genocide on someone else and then a , how very nice.

Oh, i forgot, native americans were only savages, they deserved it.

I wonder if i did the same about the holocaust and a after it, would that be appreciated?

YOU are the one saying 60 years is too long to hold people responsible in Germany.. we should be fine here in America according to your logic.

And you are as far as i am concerned, just don't bring up the history with a .

There is a difference though, the US are proud of their history of genocide, Germany is not.

sssh the word is "manifest of destiny" get it right or ill call you a communist ... err terrorist ... i mean unpartioatic

Actually, i am German, so patriotism for the US doesn't do much for me.

I'm not even a very patriotic German. Few seem to get that though.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: biostud666

Originally posted by: bykim5
ok...so does anybody like us in Europe?

It's not the americans we don't like, it's the Bush administration. During the Clinton years, US was far more popular.

Liberals are a pushover when it comes to doing what the europeans ask. Why wouldn't y'all like that. Hell, I'd like that too if I was you. Problem is, the US is not run by europe.

KK

Nobody ever thougth it was, but here's some news for you, the world isn't run by Bush.

I really don't care what you do within your own borders, i really, really don't, but your foreign politcs affect the rest of the world and your president is acting like he owned it, it kinda pisses me off.

With us or against us? The world was with you until your morinic president decided to invade a country based on lies and deception.

Germany and France, every nation you now so despise, we were with you in Afghanistan, i know because i was there. Regarding Iraq, i don't think i need to remind you, 11 for 180 against.

Had we attacked Afghanistan before 9/11, it'd be the same, 11 for 180 against. So we can never be proactive according to the europeans.


KK

*sigh* pro active? why not attack greenland, who knows when they will attack the US, they were as much of a threat as Iraq was.

Actually, if you wanted to hurt Bin Ladin, Pakistan and SA would have been much better targets, but who cares about that, right?

The fact that you use 9/11 as an excuse to go to war against Iraq, even though you use it in a much smarter sense than your idiot of a president, only means one thing, you have a hard time distinguishing one situation from another.

You can use this proactive crap on any nation, the biggest threat to world peace is the US, come on china, attack, and everyone could stand by and say it was proactive, not because the world thought so, but because china thought so.

Where did I use 9/11 as an excuse to attack Iraq? Yep, that's right, nowhere, quit making stuff up. I stated that had we attack afghanistan before 9/11 we would have gotten the same response from the europeans as we are now. Don't you think, if you don't think so then you are only fooling yourself.

I agree with you that other nations also pose a great threat, and they should be dealt with accordingly, and hopefully they will be. Let's hope it's proactive rather than reactive.

KK

Man, you are too dense, you compared the war on Iraq to a war on Afghanistan to prevent 9/11.

Do i even have to explain your own comparisons to yourself?

You mean like how Iraq dealt with Kuwait proactively?

Please put in bold where I used 9/11 as an excuse to go to war with Iraq. And don't speak until you can do so. Thank you.

KK

If you don't get what you compared yourself, then i dunno what to say.

"had we attacked afghanistan (like you did with Iraq) before 9/11, it'd be the same"

Basically to me it means that you attacked Iraq to prevent another 9/11, which to me is using 9/11 (terrorism) as an excuse.

I have a feeling you are messing with me, nobody can be that dense.

I can see you're still speaking. I said had we attacked afghanistan prior to 9/11 that the vast majority of europeans would have been against it. That is all. You are the one implying more, not me. Do you disagree with my statement as it reads, and not as you "read" it. I'm not messing with you, I just think you need a reading class.

KK

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Zephyr106
Just a cursory scan reveals words like:

"NYTimes"

"French"

"Russian"

"liberal"

In other words, not worth reading as it is the typical liberal propaganda.

These people owe everything to America, and their lack of support makes them seem to be just "asking-for-liberation."

Zephyr

just a question, but do you have maybe a hard time reading books?

Zephyrs smarter than you think and funny too. It's you who needs to read more to get it.

figures, the art of tnitsuj spreads far

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: biostud666

Originally posted by: bykim5
ok...so does anybody like us in Europe?

It's not the americans we don't like, it's the Bush administration. During the Clinton years, US was far more popular.

Liberals are a pushover when it comes to doing what the europeans ask. Why wouldn't y'all like that. Hell, I'd like that too if I was you. Problem is, the US is not run by europe.

KK

Nobody ever thougth it was, but here's some news for you, the world isn't run by Bush.

I really don't care what you do within your own borders, i really, really don't, but your foreign politcs affect the rest of the world and your president is acting like he owned it, it kinda pisses me off.

With us or against us? The world was with you until your morinic president decided to invade a country based on lies and deception.

Germany and France, every nation you now so despise, we were with you in Afghanistan, i know because i was there. Regarding Iraq, i don't think i need to remind you, 11 for 180 against.

I can't help but thinking about how just 60 years ago your country thought it was the master race and tried to take over Europe. There are 10's of thousands of dead American's buried in Europe because of YOUR country. I'm not sure you should be making the argument that America think its owns the World. Our track record is just a little bit better than yours. What exactly was YOUR governments motives when invading Italy? France? THAT was an invasion based on lies and deception.. and wasn't that long ago.. what we are doing is protecting our interests and probably protecting YOUR interests as well... we all have a vested interest in making sure a country with a dictator capable and willing of invading its neighbors and possibly using WMD to do it.

THAT was real terror, if someone would shout sieg heil to me on the street i would pound him into the ground.

My grandparents fled Germany with the help of a man called Wallenberg. I was born in Finland.

Maybe, just maybe, you should try to think before you write, if you think *I* don't know the history of Germany, if you think *I* am defending the actions of the Nazis, then you are FUBAR.

Now let's return to the reality, it is 2004, not 1944, and the world today is different for all countries.

Just so you realize it, the method in your signature, was used by Nazis, i believe it was Rommels idea that you are now stating in your sig.

There are quite a few people still alive who faught in WWII, apparently they don't exist anymore. I'll inform the Vets they are no longer needed and can die now.

BTW, the sig is a joke.

Yes there are people alive since then, both in the US and in Germany, does that mean anything? Anything at all? Nope.

The Germany i live in today has been recreated TWICE since then, i am a grandson of one of the jews who fled, not that that matters to you, your hate for Europeans is too strong, why? I fought in Afghanistan for the people who died in the US, remember? Germany refused to fight Iraq because the WORLDS opinion was that it was wrong, remember?

Now, *I* who would not even exist if the Nazis had caught my grandparents am one of those responisble?

I still take offence to your sig, it was a way designed by the Nazis to spare bullets.

If not for a couragous Swede, my grandparents could have been in that line.

I've had this signature for like 2 years.. and it has nothing to do with Nazi's. It has everything to do with me wanting to kill a lot of evil people in this world.. I would line up Saddam, Osama, the little North Korean midget guy, among others.. If you want to make up a meaning to make it somehow offensive to yourself, be my guest.

I have no hate for Europeans, I do not like them however playing the righteous card when there is more blood on Europe's hands than there will EVER be on the United States. And Germany is the LAST country that should be playing that card.

"World Opinion" also looked the other way as Germany started two World Wars.. just because "World Opinion" swings one way, does not mean its right. 10's of thousands of Americans are dead because of "World Opinion" 60 years ago. We are not going to make that mistake again.

If many Germans and Europeans would not have looked the other way as Germany was building up for war, your grandparents would never have needed to be recused, and millions of other Jews would probably not be dead... thats all I am saying. While you may not see Iraq as preventing another world war, I think it is the first step in preventing the deaths of thousands of Americans, Germans, French, Iraqis, Kuwaitis, Japanese, etc in the future.

It is 2004, don't get stuck in past history, many are, but what can you do about past events, except to remember and never allow it to happen again?

Who cares who did what 60 years ago when wrongdoings are going on today?

I am sorry if i played the righteous card, maybe i should have moved to the US instead, would my opinion be valid then?

You are nothing but a snob, a stuck up little twirp, looking down your nose at those lowly Europeans, do they have a right to an opinion? NO according to you, why, because of something that happend before they were even born.

I know the type, the stuck up "we are better than you, because your forefathers did wrong" types, well, now you know of my forefathers, so you try to blame it on everyone but the Nazis, eh, why?

If Europes leaders had been mindreaders then things would have gone differently, is that what you are saying? Get this you ignorant little fvck, if you could not get a spy in and out, you had nothing, you can't even imagine how it was to get information back then, so shut it.

I don't see invading Iraq as anything more than it is, they were not a threat to ANYONE, period.

Show me how they could threaten the lives of even a small neighbouring nation, Powell has admitted they couldn't, obviously you know something he doesn't.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
It is 2004, don't get stuck in past history, many are, but what can you do about past events, except to remember and never allow it to happen again?

Who cares who did what 60 years ago when wrongdoings are going on today?

I am sorry if i played the righteous card, maybe i should have moved to the US instead, would my opinion be valid then?

You are nothing but a snob, a stuck up little twirp, looking down your nose at those lowly Europeans, do they have a right to an opinion? NO according to you, why, because of something that happend before they were even born.

I know the type, the stuck up "we are better than you, because your forefathers did wrong" types, well, now you know of my forefathers, so you try to blame it on everyone but the Nazis, eh, why?

If Europes leaders had been mindreaders then things would have gone differently, is that what you are saying? Get this you ignorant little fvck, if you could not get a spy in and out, you had nothing, you can't even imagine how it was to get information back then, so shut it.

I don't see invading Iraq as anything more than it is, they were not a threat to ANYONE, period.

Show me how they could threaten the lives of even a small neighbouring nation, Powell has admitted they couldn't, obviously you know something he doesn't.

Don't get to worked bud, he's either trolling or been brainwashed by some one. Cripes, he even blames Europe for the destruction of the Native Americans...no one sane can actually think that. Either way, its not worth the time.

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: biostud666

Originally posted by: bykim5
ok...so does anybody like us in Europe?

It's not the americans we don't like, it's the Bush administration. During the Clinton years, US was far more popular.

Liberals are a pushover when it comes to doing what the europeans ask. Why wouldn't y'all like that. Hell, I'd like that too if I was you. Problem is, the US is not run by europe.

KK

Nobody ever thougth it was, but here's some news for you, the world isn't run by Bush.

I really don't care what you do within your own borders, i really, really don't, but your foreign politcs affect the rest of the world and your president is acting like he owned it, it kinda pisses me off.

With us or against us? The world was with you until your morinic president decided to invade a country based on lies and deception.

Germany and France, every nation you now so despise, we were with you in Afghanistan, i know because i was there. Regarding Iraq, i don't think i need to remind you, 11 for 180 against.

I can't help but thinking about how just 60 years ago your country thought it was the master race and tried to take over Europe. There are 10's of thousands of dead American's buried in Europe because of YOUR country. I'm not sure you should be making the argument that America think its owns the World. Our track record is just a little bit better than yours. What exactly was YOUR governments motives when invading Italy? France? THAT was an invasion based on lies and deception.. and wasn't that long ago.. what we are doing is protecting our interests and probably protecting YOUR interests as well... we all have a vested interest in making sure a country with a dictator capable and willing of invading its neighbors and possibly using WMD to do it.

THAT was real terror, if someone would shout sieg heil to me on the street i would pound him into the ground.

My grandparents fled Germany with the help of a man called Wallenberg. I was born in Finland.

Maybe, just maybe, you should try to think before you write, if you think *I* don't know the history of Germany, if you think *I* am defending the actions of the Nazis, then you are FUBAR.

Now let's return to the reality, it is 2004, not 1944, and the world today is different for all countries.

Just so you realize it, the method in your signature, was used by Nazis, i believe it was Rommels idea that you are now stating in your sig.

There are quite a few people still alive who faught in WWII, apparently they don't exist anymore. I'll inform the Vets they are no longer needed and can die now.

BTW, the sig is a joke.

Yes there are people alive since then, both in the US and in Germany, does that mean anything? Anything at all? Nope.

The Germany i live in today has been recreated TWICE since then, i am a grandson of one of the jews who fled, not that that matters to you, your hate for Europeans is too strong, why? I fought in Afghanistan for the people who died in the US, remember? Germany refused to fight Iraq because the WORLDS opinion was that it was wrong, remember?

Now, *I* who would not even exist if the Nazis had caught my grandparents am one of those responisble?

I still take offence to your sig, it was a way designed by the Nazis to spare bullets.

If not for a couragous Swede, my grandparents could have been in that line.

I've had this signature for like 2 years.. and it has nothing to do with Nazi's. It has everything to do with me wanting to kill a lot of evil people in this world.. I would line up Saddam, Osama, the little North Korean midget guy, among others.. If you want to make up a meaning to make it somehow offensive to yourself, be my guest.

I have no hate for Europeans, I do not like them however playing the righteous card when there is more blood on Europe's hands than there will EVER be on the United States. And Germany is the LAST country that should be playing that card.

"World Opinion" also looked the other way as Germany started two World Wars.. just because "World Opinion" swings one way, does not mean its right. 10's of thousands of Americans are dead because of "World Opinion" 60 years ago. We are not going to make that mistake again.

If many Germans and Europeans would not have looked the other way as Germany was building up for war, your grandparents would never have needed to be recused, and millions of other Jews would probably not be dead... thats all I am saying. While you may not see Iraq as preventing another world war, I think it is the first step in preventing the deaths of thousands of Americans, Germans, French, Iraqis, Kuwaitis, Japanese, etc in the future.

It is 2004, don't get stuck in past history, many are, but what can you do about past events, except to remember and never allow it to happen again?

Who cares who did what 60 years ago when wrongdoings are going on today?

I am sorry if i played the righteous card, maybe i should have moved to the US instead, would my opinion be valid then?

You are nothing but a snob, a stuck up little twirp, looking down your nose at those lowly Europeans, do they have a right to an opinion? NO according to you, why, because of something that happend before they were even born.

I know the type, the stuck up "we are better than you, because your forefathers did wrong" types, well, now you know of my forefathers, so you try to blame it on everyone but the Nazis, eh, why?

If Europes leaders had been mindreaders then things would have gone differently, is that what you are saying? Get this you ignorant little fvck, if you could not get a spy in and out, you had nothing, you can't even imagine how it was to get information back then, so shut it.

I don't see invading Iraq as anything more than it is, they were not a threat to ANYONE, period.

Show me how they could threaten the lives of even a small neighbouring nation, Powell has admitted they couldn't, obviously you know something he doesn't.

Can any of you make a point without name calling?

Ask Kuwait if Iraq was not a threat.. ask Saudi Arabia.. I think both of those countries are very happy we are in Iraq. But OK, because you say Iraq isn't a threat, and you can call me a twirp, I guess that makes you right.. :roll:

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: Klixxer
It is 2004, don't get stuck in past history, many are, but what can you do about past events, except to remember and never allow it to happen again?

Who cares who did what 60 years ago when wrongdoings are going on today?

I am sorry if i played the righteous card, maybe i should have moved to the US instead, would my opinion be valid then?

You are nothing but a snob, a stuck up little twirp, looking down your nose at those lowly Europeans, do they have a right to an opinion? NO according to you, why, because of something that happend before they were even born.

I know the type, the stuck up "we are better than you, because your forefathers did wrong" types, well, now you know of my forefathers, so you try to blame it on everyone but the Nazis, eh, why?

If Europes leaders had been mindreaders then things would have gone differently, is that what you are saying? Get this you ignorant little fvck, if you could not get a spy in and out, you had nothing, you can't even imagine how it was to get information back then, so shut it.

I don't see invading Iraq as anything more than it is, they were not a threat to ANYONE, period.

Show me how they could threaten the lives of even a small neighbouring nation, Powell has admitted they couldn't, obviously you know something he doesn't.

Don't get to worked bud, he's either trolling or been brainwashed by some one. Cripes, he even blames Europe for the destruction of the Native Americans...no one sane can actually think that. Either way, its not worth the time.

Take what I said out of context.. I was JOKING about Europe solely being responsible for Native Americans.. But, now that I think about it more, you cannot argue that they didn't START it.. The United States wasn't even a country when the abuse of Native American issues started.