Europeans Like Bush Even Less Than Before

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Summitdrinker
Now, Conjur. I have been away from this forum for a while, I remember a year ago you were a Bush Jr. lover. what happened? turned over a new leaf, woke up?

:beer:

Been away due to being banned?


And, yes, I've shed the wool from mine eyes.

 

[Summitdrinker]

LOL. glad you have seen the light.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Tripleshot

Originally posted by: Zephyr106
Just a cursory scan reveals words like:

"NYTimes"

"French"

"Russian"

"liberal"

In other words, not worth reading as it is the typical liberal propaganda.

These people owe everything to America, and their lack of support makes them seem to be just "asking-for-liberation."

Zephyr

Typical response expected from the sheep that follow blindly shrub and company, as they totally destroy any credibilty the US had in world opinion. What you think doesn't really matter anyway, troll. If you want to try responding with logic and fair argument, then fine. But acting like nothing is relevent because chosen words are in it is just plain assinine.

ohhhh ... ohhhh ...ohhhh... owned

In Moscow, the political commentator Aleksandr Yanov said Mr. Kerry was a superior candidate for many reasons, high among them that he appears to have a far more nuanced view of the world.

Writing in Nyezavisimaya Gazeta, Mr. Yanov said, "In contrast to Bush, he will never put the Bolshevik principle - 'Those who are not with us are against us' - at the center of his policy."

Very identical idea i find myself thinking. None of you people went thru the system he is talking about and have no idea what it feels like. I first became worried after 9-11 when any negative comment towards the administation was "unpatriotic". Thats a very unhealthy amosphere that is reminicent of a totalitarian regime (to me anyhow). All of you screaming for partiotism and what not will be surprised when you finally get first hand experience with one of those red-white-blue acts that strip your civil liberties.

 

[chowderhead]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Why post a topic to discuss how Europeans feel about Bush?

Because GWB is attacking Kerry on this issue and basically calling him a liar.

GWB attacks Kerry's foreign "mystery men"

US President George W. Bush (news - web sites) joked that his Democratic rival for the White House, Senator John Kerry (news - web sites), has foreign "mystery men" supporters -- but no real world leaders behind him. ....

"I've got a hunch this whole thing might be a case of mistaken identity," Bush said here. "Just because somebody has an accent or a nice suit or a good table in New York City doesn't make them a foreign leader."

It is clear to me at least that Kerry shouldn't have mentioned the obvious fact that many foreign leaders do not like GWB and wish that he was defeated but GWB is again being disingenuous by implying that Kerry is lying about that.

 

[dbk]

ok...so does anybody like us in Europe?

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: bykim5
ok...so does anybody like us in Europe?

It's not the americans we don't like, it's the Bush administration. During the Clinton years, US was far more popular.

 

[crisscross]

Bush is hated around the world, Indians were actually very fond of Clinton, and he was a big hit during his India visit, infact people were actually hoping that he would move to India on completing his term and run for office there.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: biostud666

Originally posted by: bykim5
ok...so does anybody like us in Europe?

It's not the americans we don't like, it's the Bush administration. During the Clinton years, US was far more popular.

Liberals are a pushover when it comes to doing what the europeans ask. Why wouldn't y'all like that. Hell, I'd like that too if I was you. Problem is, the US is not run by europe.

KK

 

[sandorski]

The Irony here is how Republicans tried to convince Americans that Clinton was an embarrassment to the US on the World stage. In turn they installed someone who was to re-establish the Presidency to a new and improved state, yet only now is an International embarrassment realized.

 

[kage69]

The Irony here is how Republicans tried to convince Americans that Clinton was an embarrassment to the US on the World stage.

That's been my beef for a long time. All these Republicans are suddenly unconcerned with America's image once their puppet took office. Even the waning support from our staunchest ally, Britain, hasn't woken them up to the fact that nothing has been restoring, but rather, it's gone down several levels.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: biostud666

Originally posted by: bykim5
ok...so does anybody like us in Europe?

It's not the americans we don't like, it's the Bush administration. During the Clinton years, US was far more popular.

Liberals are a pushover when it comes to doing what the europeans ask. Why wouldn't y'all like that. Hell, I'd like that too if I was you. Problem is, the US is not run by europe.

KK

Nobody ever thougth it was, but here's some news for you, the world isn't run by Bush.

I really don't care what you do within your own borders, i really, really don't, but your foreign politcs affect the rest of the world and your president is acting like he owned it, it kinda pisses me off.

With us or against us? The world was with you until your morinic president decided to invade a country based on lies and deception.

Germany and France, every nation you now so despise, we were with you in Afghanistan, i know because i was there. Regarding Iraq, i don't think i need to remind you, 11 for 180 against.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: biostud666

Originally posted by: bykim5
ok...so does anybody like us in Europe?

It's not the americans we don't like, it's the Bush administration. During the Clinton years, US was far more popular.

Liberals are a pushover when it comes to doing what the europeans ask. Why wouldn't y'all like that. Hell, I'd like that too if I was you. Problem is, the US is not run by europe.

KK

Nobody ever thougth it was, but here's some news for you, the world isn't run by Bush.

I really don't care what you do within your own borders, i really, really don't, but your foreign politcs affect the rest of the world and your president is acting like he owned it, it kinda pisses me off.

With us or against us? The world was with you until your morinic president decided to invade a country based on lies and deception.

Germany and France, every nation you now so despise, we were with you in Afghanistan, i know because i was there. Regarding Iraq, i don't think i need to remind you, 11 for 180 against.

Had we attacked Afghanistan before 9/11, it'd be the same, 11 for 180 against. So we can never be proactive according to the europeans.


KK

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: biostud666

Originally posted by: bykim5
ok...so does anybody like us in Europe?

It's not the americans we don't like, it's the Bush administration. During the Clinton years, US was far more popular.

Liberals are a pushover when it comes to doing what the europeans ask. Why wouldn't y'all like that. Hell, I'd like that too if I was you. Problem is, the US is not run by europe.

KK

No but we aim for the same global goals, and we believe that working together as equals is a better way to do it. We don't have the same military power, but neither EU or US can run an independent foreign policy if we hope to achieve the goals we set. Why do you think that it's so important to have as many European countries joining in Iraq? It's because we stand stronger, maybe not in military power, but in the ability to rebuild the country. You might think that US can handle the entire world on its own, but at what cost? using military force to subdue the rebel scum?

What policy is governed inside US is no business of ours, even though we can state our opinion on it. But when it comes to foreign policy we have just as much right to influence it. We have that right because we're allied, we're friends and should work closely together to make a world with free trade, democracy and peace. For me a true friend and allied would listen to what I had to say, and I would tell him what I thought even if he didn't like what I told him. I would not support him in doing something I thought would do more harm than good. I thought the war was a bad idea, because no plausible post-war scenario was ever presented. ATM I think the war has done more harm than good, but I wholeheartedly support of sending our troops to help stabilize Iraq, because if we can help rebuilding Iraq it would make the world a better and safer place to live. If we can help our friends we will do it, put we don't want to be presented with an ultimatum, this is not what I think friends should do. Like any persons we don't want to be told what to do and what not to do, then we just go opposite. I think if Colin Powell ran the foreing policy the Bush administration would be far better liked in Europe.

The Irony here is how Republicans tried to convince Americans that Clinton was an embarrassment to the US on the World stage. In turn they installed someone who was to re-establish the Presidency to a new and improved state, yet only now is an International embarrassment realized.

The funny thing is that the Monika Lewinsky meant so little in Europe. So the man had an affaire and he lied about it. It's not that anybody got hurt other than his family, this should have been a totally private matter.

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: biostud666

Originally posted by: bykim5
ok...so does anybody like us in Europe?

It's not the americans we don't like, it's the Bush administration. During the Clinton years, US was far more popular.

Liberals are a pushover when it comes to doing what the europeans ask. Why wouldn't y'all like that. Hell, I'd like that too if I was you. Problem is, the US is not run by europe.

KK

Nobody ever thougth it was, but here's some news for you, the world isn't run by Bush.

I really don't care what you do within your own borders, i really, really don't, but your foreign politcs affect the rest of the world and your president is acting like he owned it, it kinda pisses me off.

With us or against us? The world was with you until your morinic president decided to invade a country based on lies and deception.

Germany and France, every nation you now so despise, we were with you in Afghanistan, i know because i was there. Regarding Iraq, i don't think i need to remind you, 11 for 180 against.

I can't help but thinking about how just 60 years ago your country thought it was the master race and tried to take over Europe. There are 10's of thousands of dead American's buried in Europe because of YOUR country. I'm not sure you should be making the argument that America think its owns the World. Our track record is just a little bit better than yours. What exactly was YOUR governments motives when invading Italy? France? THAT was an invasion based on lies and deception.. and wasn't that long ago.. what we are doing is protecting our interests and probably protecting YOUR interests as well... we all have a vested interest in making sure a country with a dictator capable and willing of invading its neighbors and possibly using WMD to do it.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: biostud666

Originally posted by: bykim5
ok...so does anybody like us in Europe?

It's not the americans we don't like, it's the Bush administration. During the Clinton years, US was far more popular.

Liberals are a pushover when it comes to doing what the europeans ask. Why wouldn't y'all like that. Hell, I'd like that too if I was you. Problem is, the US is not run by europe.

KK

Nobody ever thougth it was, but here's some news for you, the world isn't run by Bush.

I really don't care what you do within your own borders, i really, really don't, but your foreign politcs affect the rest of the world and your president is acting like he owned it, it kinda pisses me off.

With us or against us? The world was with you until your morinic president decided to invade a country based on lies and deception.

Germany and France, every nation you now so despise, we were with you in Afghanistan, i know because i was there. Regarding Iraq, i don't think i need to remind you, 11 for 180 against.

I can't help but thinking about how just 60 years ago your country thought it was the master race and tried to take over Europe. There are 10's of thousands of dead American's buried in Europe because of YOUR country. I'm not sure you should be making the argument that America think its owns the World. Our track record is just a little bit better than yours. What exactly was YOUR governments motives when invading Italy? France? THAT was an invasion based on lies and deception.. and wasn't that long ago.. what we are doing is protecting our interests and probably protecting YOUR interests as well... we all have a vested interest in making sure a country with a dictator capable and willing of invading its neighbors and possibly using WMD to do it.

You mean to say it was a former government...a former administration. It wasn't the whole country.

Or did you intend for your comment to be racist?

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: biostud666

Originally posted by: bykim5
ok...so does anybody like us in Europe?

It's not the americans we don't like, it's the Bush administration. During the Clinton years, US was far more popular.

Liberals are a pushover when it comes to doing what the europeans ask. Why wouldn't y'all like that. Hell, I'd like that too if I was you. Problem is, the US is not run by europe.

KK

Nobody ever thougth it was, but here's some news for you, the world isn't run by Bush.

I really don't care what you do within your own borders, i really, really don't, but your foreign politcs affect the rest of the world and your president is acting like he owned it, it kinda pisses me off.

With us or against us? The world was with you until your morinic president decided to invade a country based on lies and deception.

Germany and France, every nation you now so despise, we were with you in Afghanistan, i know because i was there. Regarding Iraq, i don't think i need to remind you, 11 for 180 against.

I can't help but thinking about how just 60 years ago your country thought it was the master race and tried to take over Europe. There are 10's of thousands of dead American's buried in Europe because of YOUR country. I'm not sure you should be making the argument that America think its owns the World. Our track record is just a little bit better than yours. What exactly was YOUR governments motives when invading Italy? France? THAT was an invasion based on lies and deception.. and wasn't that long ago.. what we are doing is protecting our interests and probably protecting YOUR interests as well... we all have a vested interest in making sure a country with a dictator capable and willing of invading its neighbors and possibly using WMD to do it.

I don't live in Germany. Our country was occupied by Germany.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: biostud666

Originally posted by: bykim5
ok...so does anybody like us in Europe?

It's not the americans we don't like, it's the Bush administration. During the Clinton years, US was far more popular.

Liberals are a pushover when it comes to doing what the europeans ask. Why wouldn't y'all like that. Hell, I'd like that too if I was you. Problem is, the US is not run by europe.

KK

Nobody ever thougth it was, but here's some news for you, the world isn't run by Bush.

I really don't care what you do within your own borders, i really, really don't, but your foreign politcs affect the rest of the world and your president is acting like he owned it, it kinda pisses me off.

With us or against us? The world was with you until your morinic president decided to invade a country based on lies and deception.

Germany and France, every nation you now so despise, we were with you in Afghanistan, i know because i was there. Regarding Iraq, i don't think i need to remind you, 11 for 180 against.

I can't help but thinking about how just 60 years ago your country thought it was the master race and tried to take over Europe. There are 10's of thousands of dead American's buried in Europe because of YOUR country. I'm not sure you should be making the argument that America think its owns the World. Our track record is just a little bit better than yours. What exactly was YOUR governments motives when invading Italy? France? THAT was an invasion based on lies and deception.. and wasn't that long ago.. what we are doing is protecting our interests and probably protecting YOUR interests as well... we all have a vested interest in making sure a country with a dictator capable and willing of invading its neighbors and possibly using WMD to do it.

You mean to say it was a former government...a former administration. It wasn't the whole country.

Or did you intend for your comment to be racist?

There you go again, using the race card and you have no idea what it means. It's getting old.

KK

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: biostud666

Originally posted by: bykim5
ok...so does anybody like us in Europe?

It's not the americans we don't like, it's the Bush administration. During the Clinton years, US was far more popular.

Liberals are a pushover when it comes to doing what the europeans ask. Why wouldn't y'all like that. Hell, I'd like that too if I was you. Problem is, the US is not run by europe.

KK

Nobody ever thougth it was, but here's some news for you, the world isn't run by Bush.

I really don't care what you do within your own borders, i really, really don't, but your foreign politcs affect the rest of the world and your president is acting like he owned it, it kinda pisses me off.

With us or against us? The world was with you until your morinic president decided to invade a country based on lies and deception.

Germany and France, every nation you now so despise, we were with you in Afghanistan, i know because i was there. Regarding Iraq, i don't think i need to remind you, 11 for 180 against.

I can't help but thinking about how just 60 years ago your country thought it was the master race and tried to take over Europe. There are 10's of thousands of dead American's buried in Europe because of YOUR country. I'm not sure you should be making the argument that America think its owns the World. Our track record is just a little bit better than yours. What exactly was YOUR governments motives when invading Italy? France? THAT was an invasion based on lies and deception.. and wasn't that long ago.. what we are doing is protecting our interests and probably protecting YOUR interests as well... we all have a vested interest in making sure a country with a dictator capable and willing of invading its neighbors and possibly using WMD to do it.

You mean to say it was a former government...a former administration. It wasn't the whole country.

Or did you intend for your comment to be racist?

Race card.. nicely played. It wasn't the whole country? Well, of course it wasn't.. there probably was a certain percentage of people who disagreed with it.. So a country is not held responsible for its actions if they were from a 'former' Administration and 100% of the people didn't agree with it? And I am a racist for asking them to be responsible? Hah

 

[freegeeks]

I can't help but thinking about how just 60 years ago your country thought it was the master race and tried to take over Europe. There are 10's of thousands of dead American's buried in Europe because of YOUR country. I'm not sure you should be making the argument that America think its owns the World. Our track record is just a little bit better than yours. What exactly was YOUR governments motives when invading Italy? France? THAT was an invasion based on lies and deception.. and wasn't that long ago.. what we are doing is protecting our interests and probably protecting YOUR interests as well... we all have a vested interest in making sure a country with a dictator capable and willing of invading its neighbors and possibly using WMD to do it.

so basically you are saying if you are a 20 year old German dude you don't have the right to say anything about US policies because of things that happened before he was even born

if you start applying that logic NOBODY can say a thing about another countries policies because ALL countries have done some horrible atrocities including the USA

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Crimson

I can't help but thinking about how just 60 years ago your country thought it was the master race and tried to take over Europe. There are 10's of thousands of dead American's buried in Europe because of YOUR country. I'm not sure you should be making the argument that America think its owns the World. Our track record is just a little bit better than yours. What exactly was YOUR governments motives when invading Italy? France? THAT was an invasion based on lies and deception.. and wasn't that long ago.. what we are doing is protecting our interests and probably protecting YOUR interests as well... we all have a vested interest in making sure a country with a dictator capable and willing of invading its neighbors and possibly using WMD to do it.

You mean to say it was a former government...a former administration. It wasn't the whole country.

Or did you intend for your comment to be racist?

Race card.. nicely played. It wasn't the whole country? Well, of course it wasn't.. there probably was a certain percentage of people who disagreed with it.. So a country is not held responsible for its actions if they were from a 'former' Administration and 100% of the people didn't agree with it? And I am a racist for asking them to be responsible? Hah

Well, I hold you personally responsible for the massacre and destruction of the Native Americans.

 

[halik]

I can't help but thinking about how just 60 years ago your country thought it was the master race and tried to take over Europe. There are 10's of thousands of dead American's buried in Europe because of YOUR country. I'm not sure you should be making the argument that America think its owns the World. Our track record is just a little bit better than yours. What exactly was YOUR governments motives when invading Italy? France? THAT was an invasion based on lies and deception.. and wasn't that long ago.. what we are doing is protecting our interests and probably protecting YOUR interests as well... we all have a vested interest in making sure a country with a dictator capable and willing of invading its neighbors and possibly using WMD to do it.

the guy is danish, so it doesnt really apply... Plus how the hell can you argue it was *HIS* government when he wasnt even born yet? Thats the most oxymoron argument i've heard lately. Thats like the red cross or amnesty international blaming YOU for mistreatment of slaves 200 years back.

And i thought it wasnt about the WMDs... mostly because they are nowhere to be found

 

[chess9]

"One down and two to go?" Uh, what about Howard? He's in less trouble than Bush and Blair, but I think he SHOULD go as well. If not, why not?

-Robert

 

[Crimson]

Well, if you really want to get down to it, Europe destroyed the Native Americans because most of it was done before we became a country.. or at least it was set in motion. So I blame Europe for that too..

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: biostud666

Originally posted by: bykim5
ok...so does anybody like us in Europe?

It's not the americans we don't like, it's the Bush administration. During the Clinton years, US was far more popular.

Liberals are a pushover when it comes to doing what the europeans ask. Why wouldn't y'all like that. Hell, I'd like that too if I was you. Problem is, the US is not run by europe.

KK

Nobody ever thougth it was, but here's some news for you, the world isn't run by Bush.

I really don't care what you do within your own borders, i really, really don't, but your foreign politcs affect the rest of the world and your president is acting like he owned it, it kinda pisses me off.

With us or against us? The world was with you until your morinic president decided to invade a country based on lies and deception.

Germany and France, every nation you now so despise, we were with you in Afghanistan, i know because i was there. Regarding Iraq, i don't think i need to remind you, 11 for 180 against.

Had we attacked Afghanistan before 9/11, it'd be the same, 11 for 180 against. So we can never be proactive according to the europeans.


KK

*sigh* pro active? why not attack greenland, who knows when they will attack the US, they were as much of a threat as Iraq was.

Actually, if you wanted to hurt Bin Ladin, Pakistan and SA would have been much better targets, but who cares about that, right?

The fact that you use 9/11 as an excuse to go to war against Iraq, even though you use it in a much smarter sense than your idiot of a president, only means one thing, you have a hard time distinguishing one situation from another.

You can use this proactive crap on any nation, the biggest threat to world peace is the US, come on china, attack, and everyone could stand by and say it was proactive, not because the world thought so, but because china thought so.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: biostud666

Originally posted by: bykim5
ok...so does anybody like us in Europe?

It's not the americans we don't like, it's the Bush administration. During the Clinton years, US was far more popular.

Liberals are a pushover when it comes to doing what the europeans ask. Why wouldn't y'all like that. Hell, I'd like that too if I was you. Problem is, the US is not run by europe.

KK

Nobody ever thougth it was, but here's some news for you, the world isn't run by Bush.

I really don't care what you do within your own borders, i really, really don't, but your foreign politcs affect the rest of the world and your president is acting like he owned it, it kinda pisses me off.

With us or against us? The world was with you until your morinic president decided to invade a country based on lies and deception.

Germany and France, every nation you now so despise, we were with you in Afghanistan, i know because i was there. Regarding Iraq, i don't think i need to remind you, 11 for 180 against.

I can't help but thinking about how just 60 years ago your country thought it was the master race and tried to take over Europe. There are 10's of thousands of dead American's buried in Europe because of YOUR country. I'm not sure you should be making the argument that America think its owns the World. Our track record is just a little bit better than yours. What exactly was YOUR governments motives when invading Italy? France? THAT was an invasion based on lies and deception.. and wasn't that long ago.. what we are doing is protecting our interests and probably protecting YOUR interests as well... we all have a vested interest in making sure a country with a dictator capable and willing of invading its neighbors and possibly using WMD to do it.

THAT was real terror, if someone would shout sieg heil to me on the street i would pound him into the ground.

My grandparents fled Germany with the help of a man called Wallenberg. I was born in Finland.

Maybe, just maybe, you should try to think before you write, if you think *I* don't know the history of Germany, if you think *I* am defending the actions of the Nazis, then you are FUBAR.

Now let's return to the reality, it is 2004, not 1944, and the world today is different for all countries.

Just so you realize it, the method in your signature, was used by Nazis, i believe it was Rommels idea that you are now stating in your sig.