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Stunt

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Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Stunt
Bombardier Planes max out at 70 seats.
Also...ever hear of learjet ;)...that's bombardier.
Cutting edge of corporate jets Lear

Yes I've heard of Lear jet. Im forgetting the exact story on that plane but i've definately heard of it. Bombardier signed a pretty big contract internationally last week or 2 weeks ago i believe.
They probably underbid the thing...
The company is kinda hurting.

The rail division is hurting, aerospace is slow for obvious reasons (see boeing), and city transport is slowing too. They are also heavily government subsidized...but all transport companies are these days (see airbus, boeing, etc)

not boeing.
Profits may not be hurting but look at the gov't subsidies it recieves.
And productivity is way down and have you been keeping up with the layoffs...yikes.

But profits are fine...im guessing cuz of huge injection in military contracts.
thank the $470billion deficit for that ;)
 

Miramonti

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If these are successful, US airlines may need to jump on the bandwagon in order to stay competitive with other airlines who may purchase them.

In other words, look for the CIA or NSA to coordinate a downing of one or two of them, all in the name of capitalism, I mean terrorism. ;)
 

ManSnake

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Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Stunt
Bombardier Planes max out at 70 seats.
Also...ever hear of learjet ;)...that's bombardier.
Cutting edge of corporate jets Lear

Yes I've heard of Lear jet. Im forgetting the exact story on that plane but i've definately heard of it. Bombardier signed a pretty big contract internationally last week or 2 weeks ago i believe.
They probably underbid the thing...
The company is kinda hurting.

The rail division is hurting, aerospace is slow for obvious reasons (see boeing), and city transport is slowing too. They are also heavily government subsidized...but all transport companies are these days (see airbus, boeing, etc)

not boeing.


You are right!
 

Dari

Lifer
Oct 25, 2002
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Originally posted by: Stunt
Airbus has sold 139 units alrdeady on contract. They need 280 to payback the program costs.
Apparently they have far more demand than they ever expected...good times for airbus looking ahead.

Most of those planes were sold at or below cost in order for them to reach their quotas. In fact, some countries/airlines are balking at the orders already. There was a huge article in the Economist on this 2 years ago. I doubt they'll reach profitibility anytime soon. Nevertheless, this is great competition for Boeing. They need it.
 

Martin

Lifer
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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
It seems kind of strange that there doesn't seem to be any other large developer of large civilian aircraft besides Boeing and Airbus. Maybe China or India will develop one in the future. What about Japan?

Japanese companies are pretty tight with Boeing, so that's why they're also one of Boeing's biggest customers.

I suppose China will be flying Airbus for the next 30-40 years, then start their own.
 

raildogg

Lifer
Aug 24, 2004
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Originally posted by: ManSnake
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Stunt
Bombardier Planes max out at 70 seats.
Also...ever hear of learjet ;)...that's bombardier.
Cutting edge of corporate jets Lear

Yes I've heard of Lear jet. Im forgetting the exact story on that plane but i've definately heard of it. Bombardier signed a pretty big contract internationally last week or 2 weeks ago i believe.
They probably underbid the thing...
The company is kinda hurting.

The rail division is hurting, aerospace is slow for obvious reasons (see boeing), and city transport is slowing too. They are also heavily government subsidized...but all transport companies are these days (see airbus, boeing, etc)

not boeing.


You are right!

this is not the only thread you posted that. give it up
 

Dari

Lifer
Oct 25, 2002
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Originally posted by: jjsole
If these are successful, US airlines may need to jump on the bandwagon in order to stay competitive with other airlines who may purchase them.

In other words, look for the CIA or NSA to coordinate a downing of one or two of them, all in the name of capitalism, I mean terrorism. ;)

Air France would be particularly sweet, no? Your idea, right?
 

Martin

Lifer
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Looks like they're doing exceptionally well. The thing hasn't flown yet, and their orders+options are enough for Airbus to break even on this.

Airbus has secured 149 confirmed orders for the A380 from 14 customers, including 11 passenger airlines.
Airlines have taken options on a further 100 planes.
Airbus chief executive Noel Forgeard said he expected sales of the A380 to comfortably exceed 250, the number required for the huge aerospace project to break even.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4183201.stm
 

ManSnake

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Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: ManSnake
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Stunt
Bombardier Planes max out at 70 seats.
Also...ever hear of learjet ;)...that's bombardier.
Cutting edge of corporate jets Lear

Yes I've heard of Lear jet. Im forgetting the exact story on that plane but i've definately heard of it. Bombardier signed a pretty big contract internationally last week or 2 weeks ago i believe.
They probably underbid the thing...
The company is kinda hurting.

The rail division is hurting, aerospace is slow for obvious reasons (see boeing), and city transport is slowing too. They are also heavily government subsidized...but all transport companies are these days (see airbus, boeing, etc)

not boeing.


You are right!

this is not the only thread you posted that. give it up

On what? Your hypocricy?
 

raildogg

Lifer
Aug 24, 2004
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Originally posted by: ManSnake
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: ManSnake
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Stunt
Bombardier Planes max out at 70 seats.
Also...ever hear of learjet ;)...that's bombardier.
Cutting edge of corporate jets Lear

Yes I've heard of Lear jet. Im forgetting the exact story on that plane but i've definately heard of it. Bombardier signed a pretty big contract internationally last week or 2 weeks ago i believe.
They probably underbid the thing...
The company is kinda hurting.

The rail division is hurting, aerospace is slow for obvious reasons (see boeing), and city transport is slowing too. They are also heavily government subsidized...but all transport companies are these days (see airbus, boeing, etc)

not boeing.


You are right!

this is not the only thread you posted that. give it up

On what? Your hypocricy?

what have I said that makes me a hypocrit? please i am waiting to hear
 

ManSnake

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Oct 26, 2000
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Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: ManSnake
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: ManSnake
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Stunt
Bombardier Planes max out at 70 seats.
Also...ever hear of learjet ;)...that's bombardier.
Cutting edge of corporate jets Lear

Yes I've heard of Lear jet. Im forgetting the exact story on that plane but i've definately heard of it. Bombardier signed a pretty big contract internationally last week or 2 weeks ago i believe.
They probably underbid the thing...
The company is kinda hurting.

The rail division is hurting, aerospace is slow for obvious reasons (see boeing), and city transport is slowing too. They are also heavily government subsidized...but all transport companies are these days (see airbus, boeing, etc)

not boeing.


You are right!

this is not the only thread you posted that. give it up

On what? Your hypocricy?

what have I said that makes me a hypocrit? please i am waiting to hear

Look in the mirror and you will see.
 

raildogg

Lifer
Aug 24, 2004
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Originally posted by: ManSnake
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: ManSnake
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: ManSnake
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Stunt
Bombardier Planes max out at 70 seats.
Also...ever hear of learjet ;)...that's bombardier.
Cutting edge of corporate jets Lear

Yes I've heard of Lear jet. Im forgetting the exact story on that plane but i've definately heard of it. Bombardier signed a pretty big contract internationally last week or 2 weeks ago i believe.
They probably underbid the thing...
The company is kinda hurting.

The rail division is hurting, aerospace is slow for obvious reasons (see boeing), and city transport is slowing too. They are also heavily government subsidized...but all transport companies are these days (see airbus, boeing, etc)

not boeing.


You are right!

this is not the only thread you posted that. give it up

On what? Your hypocricy?

what have I said that makes me a hypocrit? please i am waiting to hear

Look in the mirror and you will see.

ok enough bs. go away now
 

yllus

Elite Member & Lifer
Aug 20, 2000
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Stunt, please don't bring Bombardier into this. The fact is the company isn't doing well in any area, but it ought to be able to shift with the time and bounce back.

Competition is good. If bigger is what the airlines see as better, then maybe Boeing needs to shift their strategy. Right now I think they have the right idea with the 7E7. 20% less fuel use and speedier than other jetliners, meaning the ability to carry more cargo/passengers and thus be more profitable to fly.
 

raildogg

Lifer
Aug 24, 2004
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Originally posted by: yllus
Stunt, please don't bring Bombardier into this. The fact is the company isn't doing well in any area, but it ought to be able to shift with the time and bounce back.

Competition is good. If bigger is what the airlines see as better, then maybe Boeing needs to shift their strategy. Right now I think they have the right idea with the 7E7. 20% less fuel use and speedier than other jetliners, meaning the ability to carry more cargo/passengers and thus be more profitable to fly.

We'll see how many airlines decide to buy it. Noone knows for sure whether it will be a success or not
 

Stunt

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Jul 17, 2002
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hehe...
just because boeing is american...you dont have to blindly support it.
they are the company you as a conservative should hate.

gov't subsidies
layoffs
losing competitive edge
mooching off gov't contracts
gov't bribes
 

Stunt

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Jul 17, 2002
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Originally posted by: yllus
Stunt, please don't bring Bombardier into this. The fact is the company isn't doing well in any area, but it ought to be able to shift with the time and bounce back.

Competition is good. If bigger is what the airlines see as better, then maybe Boeing needs to shift their strategy. Right now I think they have the right idea with the 7E7. 20% less fuel use and speedier than other jetliners, meaning the ability to carry more cargo/passengers and thus be more profitable to fly.
Why can't i bring bombardier up?
they are sucking...i think they will come back...but not some spectacular bounce.
you think the ppl here have any control over it?
you own shares or something?
 

raildogg

Lifer
Aug 24, 2004
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Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: yllus
Stunt, please don't bring Bombardier into this. The fact is the company isn't doing well in any area, but it ought to be able to shift with the time and bounce back.

Competition is good. If bigger is what the airlines see as better, then maybe Boeing needs to shift their strategy. Right now I think they have the right idea with the 7E7. 20% less fuel use and speedier than other jetliners, meaning the ability to carry more cargo/passengers and thus be more profitable to fly.
Why can't i bring bombardier up?
they are sucking...i think they will come back...but not some spectacular bounce.
you think the ppl here have any control over it?
you own shares or something?

ok calm down kids, it was me who brought it up.

blame me :eek:
 

Stunt

Diamond Member
Jul 17, 2002
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Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: yllus
Stunt, please don't bring Bombardier into this. The fact is the company isn't doing well in any area, but it ought to be able to shift with the time and bounce back.

Competition is good. If bigger is what the airlines see as better, then maybe Boeing needs to shift their strategy. Right now I think they have the right idea with the 7E7. 20% less fuel use and speedier than other jetliners, meaning the ability to carry more cargo/passengers and thus be more profitable to fly.
Why can't i bring bombardier up?
they are sucking...i think they will come back...but not some spectacular bounce.
you think the ppl here have any control over it?
you own shares or something?

ok calm down kids, it was me who brought it up.

blame me :eek:

Responded to the wrong comment :p
just because boeing is american...you dont have to blindly support it.
they are the company you as a conservative should hate.

gov't subsidies
layoffs
losing competitive edge
mooching off gov't contracts
gov't bribes
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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From what I understand there isn't an Airport on the planet that's capable of handling the 380 yet, but there are many making the changes to do so. I wouldn't worry about Airbus recouping R&D, if it's a good design they'll be building them for 30+ years, I'm sure they'll make plenty of Profit in that time.

Virgin Airlines is talking about putting Spa's, Casinos, and other things in their's!
 

imported_Condor

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Sep 22, 2004
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Originally posted by: SuperTool
There is no A380. There is no Airbus. It's all a liberal media invention. There is no way in hell the socialist French with their 35hr work week can outdo Boeing, a great American capitalist institution. ;)

It took a whole continent to out do one of our light industries! Nuff said!

 

imported_Condor

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Sep 22, 2004
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Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: SuperTool
That plane crashed because the pilot used the tail to steer the plane, which they were not supposed to do, and the tail fin broke off. If Airbus can be blamed it would be for not building safeguards in the fly by wire software to prevent the pilot from doing anything that would cause the plane to break apart instead of relying on the pilot to not do it.
Apparently, if the plane were built according to American standards, it wouldn't have happened. At least, that's what the scientific literature indicated two years ago when I did a case study on it for a composite materials class.

You gotta that the Jag was improved by putting a Ford engine in it!

 

Martin

Lifer
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While you guys are arguing A380 vs 7E7, which doesn't make much sense, you should remember another important development - the A350.

Leahy says that the new Airbus plane, dubbed the A350, will have new composite wings and the same fuel-efficient engines that General Electric Co. and Rolls-Royce PLC are supplying to Boeing. It also may use Glare, the fiberglass/aluminum sandwich used on the A380, in the upper fuselage. The jet will weigh 8 tons lighter than the older model, and it will have a range of 8,600 nautical miles, 100 miles farther than the Dreamliner. And since the A350 will have 28 more seats than the 7E7, these new efficiencies could allow it to burn less fuel per seat than Boeing's plane.

So while Airbus is targeting both markets with very competitive planes, Boeing has bet its entire civil aviation future on the 7E7 and its new manufacturing process.
 

imported_Condor

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Sep 22, 2004
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Originally posted by: Martin
While you guys are arguing A380 vs 7E7, which doesn't make much sense, you should remember another important development - the A350.

Leahy says that the new Airbus plane, dubbed the A350, will have new composite wings and the same fuel-efficient engines that General Electric Co. and Rolls-Royce PLC are supplying to Boeing. It also may use Glare, the fiberglass/aluminum sandwich used on the A380, in the upper fuselage. The jet will weigh 8 tons lighter than the older model, and it will have a range of 8,600 nautical miles, 100 miles farther than the Dreamliner. And since the A350 will have 28 more seats than the 7E7, these new efficiencies could allow it to burn less fuel per seat than Boeing's plane.

So while Airbus is targeting both markets with very competitive planes, Boeing has bet its entire civil aviation future on the 7E7 and its new manufacturing process.

I'm retired now. Since I no longer have to fly, it's rail or road for me!