Eric Trump: Dems ‘not even people’

[agent00f]

You conservatives with your absolute but bigoted notions of truth and the terrible danger that certainty creates for the survival of humanity, have caused liberals to become frantic with fear, real, not irrational, fear, with all the hatred that fear generates. You caused those monsters, live with the results. Stop shifting the blame to the fear you caused to manifest. The problem of course is that you have neither the emotional maturity nor self reflection required to see that. You fucked yourself with your own self ignorance.

For anyone with some knowledge of history, conservatism was literally the typical default state of things until relatively recently, so this comment also literally makes no sense since the Roflmouths of the world is what has always been. The point of liberalism is to dispense with them or their backwards notions to make the world a better place.

The best part of all this is when everyone tries to the label the other as the most conservative, because the term's become such a slur. I love it.

 

[blackangst1]

How is this any different than what the left says about the right? Meh. Fair play.

 

[agent00f]

Lol! Once again you don't know me at all but I do find it hilarious that you try so hard to tell me who I am.

Here is something about me that you don't know:
I actually like you moonbeam!
You helped expose me to a theory that helps explain the difference between the right and left. I like the theory not because it puts down conservatives (CBD= conservative brain defect) but because it helps to understand their thinking better. It also helps to understand my thinking better as well (LBD= liberal brain defect).

I also like you because I find people fascinating that have had transformations and who have "faced their demons" to become more self aware.

The issues I take with you is that I disagree with your solutions on how to handle the CBD. I disagree with you not because I feel my way is better (I don't) it's because I have yet to see your solutions bear any fruit. There are many posters on this board who have taken different paths when talking to someone with CBD and I haven't seen a single one be successful in their endeavor.

Lastly, as I've said many times, I like pointing out people's hypocrisy and will do so when I see it and lately I've seen it from you. Don't hate me (yes, I know you don't hate) for doing it, you should instead do what you'd expect me to do if you pointed out my hypocrisy, that is to self reflect (use that new tool you have been gifted).

I don't feel you are out to get me moonbeam, I just think you are so sure of yourself that you can't be wrong and when I point out things to you that challenges you, you get defensive and reinforce your beliefs because you say you know what is the truth. When I point out to you that your CBD is kicking in you go on these rants and try your damndest to create a caricature of me. At that point all I can do is laugh.

As to whether or not I can accept the truth from you, all I can say is that in the past you've exposed me and I agreed with you. Expose on!

Unlike your caricature of me, I actually believe the truth will set you free and I'd rather know what sort of piece of shit I am rather than feel good knowing I'm no piece of shit. And that's something I think we share in common.

Good day!

Given that liberalism consists of learned traits, there's no real "fix" for adult conservatives any more there is for adults ignorant of calculus. They're just not going to learn it, and if anything usually only spiteful of anyone attempting to forcibly teach them. The best you can hope for is basically damage control against derpers proud of inflicting that ignorance as they've always had.

 

[agent00f]

How is this any different than what the left says about the right? Meh. Fair play.

One is true and other not. For example, a lot can be said about Roflmouth & co that don't really apply to liberals.

 

[blackangst1]

One is true and other not. For example, a lot can be said about Roflmouth & co that don't really apply to liberals.

Ah of course. Silly me.

 

[JSt0rm]

Ah of course. Silly me.

Its true. The middle east is run by ultra right wing conservatives. Look at the shit hole it is. Liberalism is the way forward into a greater truths of humanism, art and science.

 

[blackangst1]

Its true. The middle east is run by ultra right wing conservatives. Look at the shit hole it is. Liberalism is the way forward into a greater truths of humanism, art and science.

Dont know in what context this applies to the OP, but thanks for your opinion

 

[Moonbeam]

Ivwshane: ......... Good day

Cool, we're on the same page. But when you say you disagree with me on solutions for reaching then, that can't actually be quite right because I know of none. I see only hopelessness, that they are hopelessly lost, machines that don't see. I believe they feel worthless, the same feelings I have experienced myself and that feeling worthless makes one act that way. This means that when liberals condemn conservatives for being worthless monsters, you are simply introducing them to more of what made them sick originally. Doing that plays to their strengths. They are especially adapt at denying this. So, while I have no solutions, trying to shame them has the opposite effect. They thrive on being called worthless. But we do that sort of silliness because back at them because we were shamed too.

Trust me. We do not see our own inner craziness because we experienced enormous pain beingmade that way.

 

[Younigue]

Ugh! Sigh.

 

[kinev]

Wish I could say I'm surprised you'd sink this low, but no, not surprised :/ That's about as classy as a long, loud, wet, smelly beer fart in a church.

So if your ideological opponents aren't human, what, pray tell, are we? And what will you "humans" do with us, the "non-humans?" Are we to be turned into Soylent Green? Rounded up en masse and shot? Ooh, a guy who thought a lot like you had some interesting ideas involving cyanide...

Oh, FFS; the ironing is delicious. This would be funny if she wasn't so frustratingly hypocritical...

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...ublic-assistance.2507863/page-2#post-38922052

All I see from the "conservative" side is the same old disease of knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing. And even then...not even the price of everything, just the immediate, short term price!

Even if you have a stock ticker where your soul should be, it very simply costs less to help people maintain normal lifestyles than it does to deal with them in the prison system later. Even if you're so completely inhuman, so utterly sociopathic, that you don't care about whatever kind of torture these people go through, the simple fact that prevention is cheaper than half-assed not-really-cure should make some inroad into your thinking.

If it still doesn't, then hiding behind "butbutbut MUH MUNNIEZ" is a smokescreen to cover something much darker: that you want these people to suffer, and you will happily spend more of "muh munniez" to see that happen.

That being said, Eric Trump is dumb for saying this and should be criticized. Consistency is important; it was wrong when Hillary called people "deplorables" and this is wrong, too (the degree is debatable).

 

[Moonbeam]

@Moonbeam: what you're describing here is the fact that the "conservative" mindset has a couple of extra axes of what they consider moral good, those being "in-group loyalty" and "respect for authority qua authority."

You're absolutely correct that, because most liberals do not place much weight on these, from the PoV of the conservative we're immoral and scary. However, not setting much stock by those two allows us to become quiet inside and allow things outside of humanity--such as, for example, objective facts of nature--inform our decision-making. We're not amoral or less-moral; we're less tribal, and if properly grounded, less egoistic

This is the crux of the divide, and it's what will always stop people relying solely on their egoic and animal reactions in both camps from getting along.

The way I see it is that because conservatives have a greater range of moral issues they have the potential to understand or apply a greater moral understanding, but have also a greater chance to be infected with a bigoted notion of those virtues and it is just such bigoted notions they are by conservative cultural so commonly infected with.

 

[Azuma Hazuki]

Those two extra axes of moral concern aren't actually moral though. They've primitive leftovers, cognitive shortcuts from a time where anyone who stopped to question "Now wait dang minute here, Ugg really save us from saber cat, or Ugg fulla bear turds?" would become prehistoric kitty chow.

The etiology of it is an overdeveloped amygdala. And it's a self-sealing cycle; only the ones who make an effort of self-examination ever break out of it. In a very real sense, it's an animalistic, egoistic, subhuman trap. Solipsistic as hell too.

 

[Moonbeam]

For anyone with some knowledge of history, conservatism was literally the typical default state of things until relatively recently, so this comment also literally makes no sense since the Roflmouths of the world is what has always been. The point of liberalism is to dispense with them or their backwards notions to make the world a better place.

The best part of all this is when everyone tries to the label the other as the most conservative, because the term's become such a slur. I love it.

Your typical arrogance, pronounced with the assumption you know some history, whereas, did you actually know history you would know that not that long ago during the cold war, when the conservative brain defect was fixated on the Soviet Union as the great communist threat, Conservatives could work across the aisle with Liberals with great success and decorum. It was only when that external threat disappeared that liberals began to be tagged as the new devils and national threat. It is the radicalization of the right that has begun the process of the radicalization on the left. We create what we fear.

 

[agent00f]

Your typical arrogance, pronounced with the assumption you know some history, whereas, did you actually know history you would know that not that long ago during the cold war, when the conservative brain defect was fixated on the Soviet Union as the great communist threat, Conservatives could work across the aisle with Liberals with great success and decorum. It was only when that external threat disappeared that liberals began to be tagged as the new devils and national threat. It is the radicalization of the right that has begun the process of the radicalization on the left. We create what we fear.

No, the country simply became considerable more liberal which should be obvious enough with desegregation & such. Nowadays liberals just don't believe in the great boogeyman a la them muslims, which is why the country is more divided over such matters than when the democrats included dixiecrats. Conservatives never changed as anyone who knows what words mean might imply from their name, the progressives did as might be similarly implied from theirs, and if there's anything conservatives hate more than brown people it's progress.

Now that you've been taught some basic history and dictionary terminology, let's see if it sticks any better than with those conservatives sorts edumacating was never meant for.

 

[agent00f]

Oh, FFS; the ironing is delicious. This would be funny if she wasn't so frustratingly hypocritical...

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...ublic-assistance.2507863/page-2#post-38922052



That being said, Eric Trump is dumb for saying this and should be criticized. Consistency is important; it was wrong when Hillary called people "deplorables" and this is wrong, too (the degree is debatable).

Seems pretty accurate to describe people who lack human virtues as inhuman.

 

[Moonbeam]

No, the country simply became considerable more liberal which should be obvious enough with desegregation & such. Nowadays liberals just don't believe in the great boogeyman a la them muslims, which is why the country is more divided over such matters than when the democrats included dixiecrats. Conservatives never changed as anyone who knows what words mean might imply from their name, the progressives did as might be similarly implied from theirs, and if there's anything conservatives hate more than brown people it's progress.

Now that you've been taught some basic history and dictionary terminology, let's see if it sticks any better than with those conservatives sorts edumacating was never meant for.

I had no illusions that my point would reach you nor was my post really directed at you. I've written you off as an arrogant asshole whose main goal is to inflate your own ego by denigrating others. So, believing as I do, that your behavior here is toxic, and not simply directed at me, I can tell you to anticipate that on occasions I will respond to one or another of your low grade absolute pronouncements simply to remind others how you operate.

In this case I took the reasons for why modern conservatives have developed as they have from the reasoning given by the expert neuroscientists that proposed and defined how conservative brains function differently than liberal brains do, and the loss of an external threat was their explanation. So your default position that your reasoning or knowledge of really anything is superior to others and here me is actually a professed superiority to the best minds in the field.

You manifest ego deflections and alternate realities to inflate your ego right up there with idiots like Trump. There are many people with fragile egos who can be emotionally assaulted by you and I'm not one of them so pardon me if I occasionally stick a pin in your fat head by pointing out what a blow hard Trumpeter you are.

 

[kinev]

Seems pretty accurate to describe people who lack human virtues as inhuman.

Wait...I'm confused. Are you defending what Eric Trump said?

 

[xthetenth]

Oh, FFS; the ironing is delicious. This would be funny if she wasn't so frustratingly hypocritical...

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...ublic-assistance.2507863/page-2#post-38922052



That being said, Eric Trump is dumb for saying this and should be criticized. Consistency is important; it was wrong when Hillary called people "deplorables" and this is wrong, too (the degree is debatable).

You'll note that she's describing a very particular outlook and set of behaviors as being inhuman. Not that anyone who opposes her aren't people. It's not even a minor difference, it's the sort of thing you only overlook if you aren't reading the sentences but are instead just looking at words.

 

[dainthomas]

Oh, FFS; the ironing is delicious. This would be funny if she wasn't so frustratingly hypocritical...

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...ublic-assistance.2507863/page-2#post-38922052



That being said, Eric Trump is dumb for saying this and should be criticized. Consistency is important; it was wrong when Hillary called people "deplorables" and this is wrong, too (the degree is debatable).

I thought the butthurt emanating from that side over being called deplorable was hilarious on two levels. First, it's an incredibly mild insult relative to what they've flung out. Second, they love to laugh at other people for being fragile snowflakes who need safe spaces. Absolutely no sense of irony.

 

[Azuma Hazuki]

I call 'em all Yellow Snowflakes It works on two levels!

 

[agent00f]

I had no illusions that my point would reach you nor was my post really directed at you. I've written you off as an arrogant asshole whose main goal is to inflate your own ego by denigrating others. So, believing as I do, that your behavior here is toxic, and not simply directed at me, I can tell you to anticipate that on occasions I will respond to one or another of your low grade absolute pronouncements simply to remind others how you operate.

In this case I took the reasons for why modern conservatives have developed as they have from the reasoning given by the expert neuroscientists that proposed and defined how conservative brains function differently than liberal brains do, and the loss of an external threat was their explanation. So your default position that your reasoning or knowledge of really anything is superior to others and here me is actually a professed superiority to the best minds in the field.

You manifest ego deflections and alternate realities to inflate your ego right up there with idiots like Trump. There are many people with fragile egos who can be emotionally assaulted by you and I'm not one of them so pardon me if I occasionally stick a pin in your fat head by pointing out what a blow hard Trumpeter you are.

Seem pretty obvious you acknowledge your ignorance of basic history and dictionary terminology by attempting to divert with some irrelevant big enough sounding word like "neuroscience", that and why I'm a terrible person for trying to inform you of anything. Keep in mind this form of argument will work out about as well as it does for conservatives.

Wait...I'm confused. Are you defending what Eric Trump said?

I think you're smart enough to figure out that liberals/liberalism embody western liberal human values/virtues as the words might suggest, and people who hate them for it do not.

 

[cytg111]

Really

Obama is a moose-lamb?
Obama was born in Kenya
Obamas birth certificate has something shocking about it that a PI discovered
McCain isn't a hero because he was captured
Ted Cruz's Father was involved in the Kennedy assasination
Hillary has some muscle disease and she could die within 4 years
Want me to go on?

The birtherism crap can never be forgiven... to begin seeding the hate and catering to the illiterate that early in the game is evidence of some super depraved shit and the willingness to ignore it by some of his enlightened followers is just straight up scary.

 

[Moonbeam]

Seem pretty obvious you acknowledge your ignorance of basic history and dictionary terminology by attempting to divert with some irrelevant big enough sounding word like "neuroscience", that and why I'm a terrible person for trying to inform you of anything. Keep in mind this form of argument will work out about as well as it does for conservatives.

Pretty obvious that your too dishonestly self deceptive to acknowledge that your so called attempt to inform me was nothing more than your arrogant denial of your own ignorance and that you will do anything to deflect that by inventing more horse shit like big words and dictionary definitions. But no matter. The relevant point here is that when you are treated to the same medicine as you dish out you prove yourself to be as absurdly blind and unmovable as the most reality altered conservative. Funny how impervious you are to what you believe is approiate treatment. You have my deepest sympathy.

 

[Azuma Hazuki]

Get a room, you two =P

 

[kinev]

You'll note that she's describing a very particular outlook and set of behaviors as being inhuman. Not that anyone who opposes her aren't people. It's not even a minor difference, it's the sort of thing you only overlook if you aren't reading the sentences but are instead just looking at words.

I don't see it. Yes, she describes people who have a certain set of beliefs opposite of her own and act on those beliefs as "inhuman". Eric Trump describes people who have a certain set of beliefs opposite of his own and act on those beliefs as "not even people". Are you arguing that "inhuman" and "not even people" are different? Is it a matter of the number of people on the other side of the isle that we deem less than human that makes them different?

Both are describing a particular outlook ("conservatives" vs. "Democrats") and a set of behaviors (not wanting to pay poor people to "maintain normal lifestyles" vs. obstructing his dad's agenda), using inflammatory terms to exaggerate that behavior ("sociopathic" torture" darkness" vs. "hatred" "no morality" "whack job") and use dehumanizing terms to describe the opposite group ("inhuman" vs. "not people").

I think I read the sentences; what am I missing that makes them different besides everyone's "team affiliation"? Can't we call both inappropriate and a person a hypocrite for deriding one while espousing the other?

I thought the butthurt emanating from that side over being called deplorable was hilarious on two levels. First, it's an incredibly mild insult relative to what they've flung out. Second, they love to laugh at other people for being fragile snowflakes who need safe spaces. Absolutely no sense of irony.

I agree that there is a difference of degree between being part of a "basket of deplorables" and "not human" with the latter being more severe. However, both are unfair generalizations that shouldn't be supported regardless of party. The fact that this made the news kind of shows that both sides tried to use the respective statements to score political points. Do I think Trump supporters were offended by being called deplorables? Probably not...I would guess faux outrage for political reasons.